MK
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Italian coffee is more expensive, as is a better quality finish, the Ando or Ito finish you speak of is infinitely more expensive than the slapdash finish you get in Ireland. It is a matter of economics rather that architectural process. National Gallery extension is a good example of the level of finish achievable, even on a large scale public building, in this country at present. The difference with the Asian city is that in Japan, 1msq is £10,000(sterling approx). The parameters and the objectives are completely different and incomparible.
However, as you suggest, their methodology is something we should definitely try to emulate
Why have you posted the same inane topic twice, with minor differences.
When has there ever been a ‘captain’ of design, and without one, are we really at sea.
There is plenty of ‘vernacular’ contemporary architecture in Ireland, Kenneth Frampton suggests that the new Irish architects are among the most innovative in the world, if you dont know who they are or havent seen their work, then whats the pointDo you suggest that we create an Irish vernacular through observing the Japanese, with no insulation, no real planning restrictions and the most ephemeral building culture in the world
By pop I mean popular, in other words, fashionable, not to be confused with the Pop Art movement.
MVRDV is a practice headed by Winey Mass as Im sure you already know and their architecture pays homage to the earlier work of Rem Koolhaus who, has publicly slated their work and claims himself that it is no more than a trivial thing, I dont agree but the facts remain nevertheless.
The Dawson Street building is excellent but it is, if we are going to be critical, a pastische of the current popular fashionable Dutch style.Couple of comments,
Gordon Benson is a true high modernist, his sole influence is Le Corbusier, as self professed, if you go to one of his lectures it is practically a read through of Vers Une Architecture.Museum of Scotland was paraded as a unique building, a new Scottish vernacular, if so how do the Dublin Gallery & it bear so striking a resemblance:
Same red steel work bridge effect
same window details
same Ronchamp windows (interior)
Identical stair (open tread terrattso)
Identical ‘courtyard’ and roof glazing
Both have very weak entrances
Both have the extraordinary mix of extremely Expensive and extremely cheap detailing side by side
Both completely detailed to death.Both buildings were designed simultaneously but the similarities are just too much to bear taking in mind the ‘uniqueness’ of both buildings as stated by the architect.
However, I prefer the Dublin Gallery to the Museum of Scotland. The main circulation space is without a doubt the most exhilerating space I have ever seen since Ronchamp and this is possibly Dublin’s greatest architectural achievement, but it could have been better.
I like it too but it does worry me that it is merely an ilk of the pop architecture of the Netherlands at present, looks remarkably like a MVRDV private residence, can’t remember which one.
What do you mean by design awareness? Do you think that is necessary to have power in order to have control over your designs. Power and control are not the same thing. The status of the architect in Ireland is downgraded by the architect himself/herself. Most architects choose power(money) over control(good design). If you wish to be bullied by developers, be part of their capalist/consumerist machine, it is your own fault. There are great architects in Ireland, even Kenneth Frampton thinks so, but the majority are, for want of a better word, shit. Technology tricks and iconography from some form of international contemporary style. Architecture is in a time of change greater than ever before, greater than the Secession, and most practicing architects sit in the comfortable ignornance of the Modernist or Post Modernist(I mean this in the Terry Farrelly sense of Post Modernism as opposed to Hadid or Miralles) ideals which are inadequate for the world we inhabit.
That is what is wrong with Irish design.Its a video arcade and chip shop, on two separate boulevards, split down the middle by an out of scale row of london planes.
Read ‘City Transformed, Urban Regeneration at the Beginning of the 21st Century’, by Kenneth Powell, no point in reinventing the wheel.
Why this was beaten into students is beyond me, in the AA, the words DPC and Vapour Barrier are unheard of. You go to architecture school to become a designer, not a technical expert, read a manual if you want that.
You could swing a swastica from that Credit Union abonination on Mount Street. If that building represents the sociopolitical views of its inhabitants, god help us all.
The dance scene has been in Dublin for about 15 years, its effect is hardly that slow. Also, almost all Irish people bar the landed gentry are nouveau riche if you go back little more than 2 generations.
Dead right,
The old front ruined by some abstract streaks of colour instead of the original timber and stained glass. As for the interior, a weak attempt at some mutated form of art deco. I believe there were recriminations as the ‘renovation’ did not respect the wishes of the relavant bodies duchas, et al.More of the same…..
Also, deepthroat is actually deepnote, a Freudian slip of epic proportions no doubt, symptoms, symptoms….Alan, I have no desire to enter into petty bickering with you. This is not the first time you have engaged in personalised comments with myself or with others and I have challanged you on this point before also.
Try to attack the issues and not the people discussing the issues. In a debate the aim is to argue the point with valid arguement, not trivia and insults.
If your debating demeanour represents your business demeanour, your general regard for other people and their views, then I believe, and I mean this constructively, that you should seriously look at yourself and consider is your method of approach (attack) suitable to an enviornment where you can build positive interdependant relationships with others.
No doubt you will retaliate with usual venom, never-the-less I feel my responding to your comments is well and truely over,
Best of Luck,
MK
Alan Dunlop,
Less of the Readers Digest anecdotes, your not only embarressing yourself, your making the rest of us cringe also.Liebskind’s work is always contextual. Dont confuse deconstruction with a lack of concern for context.
James, could you add some content to the above catchphrases you have used?
When answering, please keep in mind that Dublin is a municipality and also the deperate problem we have with the suburban sprawl.She submitted a monstrosity of a house for planning, as ill proportioned as I have ever seen, and landed it plonk in the middle of the Irish landscape, beside a lake, with no regard to indiginous forms nor any attempt to create a thing of aesthetic beauty. This, for the President of Ireland, as a represantative of Irish people and their standards, is an unacceptable act of thoughtless behaviour. This must be a sore thorn in Mary Robinson’s side, considering her husband was one of the individuals who set up the Irish Architectural Archive.
