JAPAN WoW!!!
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after visiting japan last november, i have returned to ireland with the understanding that irish architecture is let down by the quality of finish achieve, this is not due to lack of skill, but lack of a systematic “pride” based approach to completion of structures to the finest detail. The sidewalks in Japan are more detailed than most homes in ireland, I dont mean this as a crit but an observation.
Irish architects should travel there to observe the PROCESS, not of design but of implimentation, methodology behind construction and the workforce.. perhaps its a cultural thing .. perhaps a money thing ?
but I do feel the only way to imrove, and improve we must, is to LEARN from others and adapt it to create our OWN national architectural language which has yet to show itself it my opinion. -
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My own home fits into this flawed description. Nice place, but a messy finish and low attention to detail.
And I imagine that Kenny is suggesting that we learn from the better points of Japanese architecture, as opposed to blindly accepting their entire concept. He has observed that completion of structures to the finest detail can result in a better building, and I think he’s right. He’s not suggesting adopting any other Japanese traits.
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MK
you sound suprised by the suggestions made here. maybe you could be so bold as to suggest just what the ‘Irish Venacular’ is….I would definitely be interested in your definition.
as well, are you aware of some planning constraints in Dublin that I am not? your comments suggest that there are planning issues here in Ireland….show me where? I think that the riot this past weekend is a clear example of how the public feels about planning issues in this conurty…I have been working here for 5 years, and I am still not sure the exist….your not refering to a little set of rules that planners pull out of their back pockets when they feel it is neccessar….are you?
Have you been to Asia? They are far more advanced in the construction and design trade….we could do ourselves a huge service by looking at their process…..do yourself a favour and jump outside the box for a second……you might like what you see.
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MK
you sound suprised by the suggestions made here. maybe you could be so bold as to suggest just what the ‘Irish Venacular’ is….I would definitely be interested in your definition.
as well, are you aware of some planning constraints in Dublin that I am not? your comments suggest that there are planning issues here in Ireland….show me where? I think that the riot this past weekend is a clear example of how the public feels about planning issues in this conurty…I have been working here for 5 years, and I am still not sure the exist….your not refering to a little set of rules that planners pull out of their back pockets when they feel it is neccessary….are you?
Have you been to Asia? They are far more advanced in the construction and design trade….we could do ourselves a huge service by looking at their process…..do yourself a favour and jump outside the box for a second……you might like what you see.
cheers.
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lets focus on the most important word in my initial topic about japan “PROCESS”
it is my opinion that construction of buildings like baking cakes is not only a matter of knowing the ingredients that form the structure, but most importantly the mastering of how they go together in order to achieve the most perfect finish.
without boring everyone, lets all agree that architecture like all other skills is based on repeat habitual action in order to formulate a pattern / regulations of HOW to & how not to build structures, a LEARNING process. We copy the italians when making good coffee for god sake… why are building so different.. lets be open minded enough and humble enough to learn from a bigger culture, i’m not saying we should copy them , but i dont think we should feel we have nothing to learn from others either.
i think it would be an interesting exercise to view a japanese schedule of works, or invite a japanese contractor to lias on our schedules and fill in the blanks as it were with regard to process, white gloves excluded….i jest. -
Italian coffee is more expensive, as is a better quality finish, the Ando or Ito finish you speak of is infinitely more expensive than the slapdash finish you get in Ireland. It is a matter of economics rather that architectural process. National Gallery extension is a good example of the level of finish achievable, even on a large scale public building, in this country at present. The difference with the Asian city is that in Japan, 1msq is £10,000(sterling approx). The parameters and the objectives are completely different and incomparible.
However, as you suggest, their methodology is something we should definitely try to emulate
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