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@BTH wrote:
Ha, wow well if it’s that recent then there’s really no excuse!
This was one of the most run down section of the riverside area in Limerick and still is from looking from that angle obviously.
But this was pretty much a breath of fresh air to what was probably there before I’d imagine. Even taking into consideration the shite prefab Dunnes building is a across the road. It may not be splendid in arcitecture, But it was the start of the Riverside regeneration. It was only in the early 00s that this riverside project began. Give Limerick a break will ye.
Look at the Dublin Docklands for example. Many of the first and present buildings designed are nothing in comparison to the designs and vision of what is proprosed. Limerick Riverside regeneration is now taking a step further with high rises, as you can see further downstream.
@KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:
Actually I think the old restored warehouse is nicely shown up against the Marriot etc. It’s even more of an interesting feature now with it being entirely freestanding and surrounded by the modern buildings.
The boathouse replacement looks monstrous. It would really block the view up the river and detract from the bridge. Surely any replacement should be discreet and at most two storeys in order to be no more obtrusive than the current building. The bridge is the more important feature.
TBF.
The Marriot does look out of proportion to the surrounding buildings and especially the warehouse. But Henry street is still not completed yet. In a few years time it would be better to judge the overall layout of blending the old and new. IMO I think Henry street looks really modern and continental in feel. The mixing is whats making this street look fantastic. At least its not like the Dublin docklands with all buildings in monotoned five storey slabs beside each other.There is still 3/4 valuable slots of land/buildings to be redeveloped here too. So it will be interesting to see what come off the ground. Building heights range of 10 storeys to 3 storeys, so the picture taken of marriot and the warehouse does look a bit extreme from that angle, but from other angles its fine. the Warehouse height fits the corner nicely as with the other buildings down the street, while Henry street heights are much higher, land values and width allow this.
@CologneMike wrote:
Looks like a very ambitious project for the Dublin road area. The Parkway roundabout will be replaced by a T-Junction and they also intend moving the entrance / exit away from the old roundabout vicinity.
Dan, your “super oval roundabout†proposal above does not seem to be in the running with the new developers! 😉
So at what angle is that taken from, like where is childers road and which is Dublin ROs..
Why can’t they grade separate the traffic. Like put pedstrian movements underground. Having A right flowing slips from Childer’s road over/under the T junction. I remember years ago, they were planning to put slips and underground walkways as part of the Parkway valley deveopment.
@Dan Sullivan wrote:
Have an idea this evening with all the work being done around the general dublin road parkway area and the number of right turns that are being required on what is the main road into the city if we should make a big leap and make the entire island area of what was Dillons garage and so on down to the new Hotel a one way area. the southern area by the retail park would be the western corridor and the old Dublin road the eastern corridor. You could still allow for turning right at the current parkway roundabout coming from the city on Childers.
You know the irony of this mess!
There is two of them RIGHT beside each other.
Limerick city slot – Parkway SC/ Retail, Childer’s SC, Dillions, aldi and smaller shops
Limerick county slot – Parkway valley SC, castletroy lodges, singland dev, Olympic sized ice rinkNo Infastructure in place at all.. Kids are running this city I’m telling you:mad::mad:…
Dan your idea is great, but in my opinion the traffic is still going to be a disaster.Just look at irregularity and scale of development thats taking place adjacent to both routes..
There is to many private acceses on the old road, which will mean major upgrading. There are two many lights on the new road now. We are talking at least another 2 sets of lights that they will add, one for the Parkway RO, and the Parkway valley two entrances possibly. Not the proper salution IMO Look at the amount of traffic lights haven been installed since these developments have gone in. Look what the council have done to Childer’s road, they have actually created traffic gridlock here.Then we here, yet a another huge retail planning application galore for *Dillions garage* which will be in the middle of the island idea you proposed, how will that fit in to the one way plan?? How are pedestrian meant to get around this concrete garbage..
Here is wat needs to be done.
1. site on the existing Parkway S.C dedicated for allowing P+R traffic to use train into city centre.
2. Childers road Dualled from Roxboro to Parkway
3. Slips going under the roundabout to allow free movement from childers to Dublin road.
4. Pedestrian movement put undergrownd or overhead walkways (this was brushed under the rug)
5. Bus lanes added along the Childer’s and Dublin road to Uni.
6. Clare street junctioned needs o be widened at the new corbally link road entrance onto parkway RO.
7. Maybe a one way system could be put in..This is not wishful thinking, this is pre urgent thinking….. The current upgrade of replacing the roundabout with traffic lights is laughable, considering we now have another mega complex given the the thumbs up recently, the olympic sized ice rink..
Will the road upgrade have any positive affect at all, im starting to think how would it ever? The road upgrade from the private developers behind this concrete jungle are nothing but a farce!I’m actually not surprised that the ice rink got through planning now, who is’nt anyway:rolleyes:
@KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:
I still don’t see why they had to entomb the nice recovered original facade in that boring old glass and cream stone nonsense. Like all the rest of it, the cream stone will just go a disgusting hue of green and black once the Shannon estuary climate and the local pollution gets its teeth in.
A lot of the buildings on Henry St. are already looking depressing and oppressive due to this; e.g. the Dunnes Stores building – lovely black streaks under the features. Even the rather smart BoSI building has nasty marks developing from the ledges near the top.
Sure building owners or occupiers could spend a fortune on cleaning from time to time, though no doubt that would wear down the buildings. However, surely the designers could take local conditions into account. It’s not like it’s a new problem, just look at the “red” brick Georgian buildings. I’m sure any building style will be affected, but cream and white are just asking for trouble, as are ledges with no run-off arrangements for rain.
God you must had an awful day! lol.. Would ever stop whinging… I can’t stand negative people moaning all the time, in a tell all sitting in front of a computer!
If it’s so bothersome to you?!Why don’t you do something about the image of Limerick?, Instead of you complaining and nagging everyone else to improve this city’s image 🙂
Get out a do something about it, instead of nit picking here with nonsense on dirty brick work etc
Anyway I think Henry street is looking great IMO…
You know a city “is what you make of it” give the city a break.
@vkid wrote:
Thought this was part of the original plans but from todays Zaminer..more Parkway fun.. First line says it all really
PLANS have been lodged with Limerick County Council for an Olympic size ice rink in the city.
The facility will be sited at the Parkway Retail Park on the Dublin Road.
Alocin Ltd, the company behind the huge project, also wants to incorporate an extensive range of other recreation facilities under the one roof and these include a bowling facility with up to 12 lanes and multimedia entertainment areas. It is also proposed to provide a huge food hall adjacent to the ice rink.
And the planning application also sets out specifications for a huge restaurant and food area, which will have up to 15 separate units.The planning application also sets out areas which will be given over to health and leisure activities, a library and office space.
The overall floor area will cover 83,068 sq m and it will be located adjacent to the N7 at Singland.
2,169 car parking spaces will be provided in the multi-storey structure.
A temporary ice rink has been erected at Merchant’s Quay over the Christmas holiday period in recent years and has been a huge success attracting thousands of visitors from the wider region.
One source said: “The temporary ice rink has shown the way in that it proved there is great public appetite for ice rink skating. This is a very exciting development and the fact that it is so close to the University of Limerick campus is another great plus.”
Yes the first line, is like a bit “oh we ‘re doing it again”, is this some sort of joke?
Before I rant, it would be great to have Olympic sized ice rink in limerick, but its getting beyond insane.
All these developments that we’ve been discussing, including the ones that are already built alongside the Childer’s/Dublin road axis are all suited adjacent to motorways and near key interchanges.
Not on a 2 lane narrow urban road that is current’y choked in traffic. Seriously who the feck is in planning in Limerick these days?
Why don’t they build a aquatic centre it will be all the extra fun sure why not like… (joke)
RANT OVER.
This planning application is nothing but scandelous!
I cannot believe after all my whinging, and with the entire city as this stage that this has not gotten to city council head over this mess!
This is traffic blackspot
This is one hell of a planning mess.Then what do they do, it’s like they put “extra iceing on the burnt cake” enough is enough.
OK here is the highlights of todays match.
1.FIX THE INFASTRUCTURE FIRST.. feck the new development till later. (((((infastructure in place first)))) in case u missed it again!
There is a railway line at the back of the Parkway S.C boundary, lovely views from it too,2.PUT A RAIL STATION HERE or
PUT A PARK AND RIDE FACILITY THERE( Cheap version)3. STOP PUTTING ICING ON A BURNT CAKE.:D
@CologneMike wrote:
Hi Dave good to hear from you.]
Thanks CologneMike.
@CologneMike wrote:
There will be serious traffic congestion on the so called Dooradoyle Link Road. This Link road runs in part through a housing estate. In fact when one leaves the N20 Dual carriageway in the direction of the Crescent Shopping Centre you could easily end up in a cul-de-sac (Cedar Downs) just after the first roundabout.
Are you speculating on a rear entrance to the Crescent Shopping Centre? It would mean crossing the raiway line twice and then linking up with the narrow Greenfields road (Old Crescent Rugby Grounds). See map
Incidentally when the Rossbrien interchange is finished, the slip road (Quality Hotel / former Krups factory) to the N7 / N20 will no longer be allowed to access it. I wonder will they link this slip road then to the Greenfields road (Old Crescent Rugby Grounds).
Well I would like to see it go ahead on the grounds that
A The Limerick county council provide a public transport hub here as part of the extension.
B A new road from the rear and over the railway to link with the greenfields road
C. The old cork/Dooradolye juntion been upgraded, and the existing dooradyle road remodelled
D a possible reopening of the adjacent railway. to ambitous ?Then im all yes for it.
All these problems are direct result of having two authorities running a city of 100,000.
@Tuborg wrote:
When was the last time you were down here? What about the Dooradoyle link road? do you think that works well? What about the debacle that was the St Nessans road improvement scheme and the bus lane that goes nowhere! Or what about the Ballysimon interchange that they are skillfully trying to sort out with traffic lights! Or even the 1km stretch from the Parkway to the Groody roundabout that is now plagued by traffic lights and countless junctions as a result of poor planning by you guessed it Limerick County Council, I cant wait until the Parkway valley sc is completed, it should be all fun and games then!:mad:
Incorrect, it is a private developer who is proposing a revamp of that junction, nothing to do with the County Council! !
Oops, sorry my bad. Well if it does go ahead, the county council should be responsible for building a proper public transport hub here automatically if this extension does go ahead as planned on top of the road upgrades.
And also it does seem like an cool plan with the new proposed layout of a street adjacent to the centre, it does seem exciting to me I must admit.
@Tuborg wrote:
Putting another junction on the Southern ring road defeats the whole purpose of the road, which is to provide traffic on a national primary route with an efficient way around Limerick city and on to other destinations. Putting in extra juctions decreases the efficiency of the road and also makes it more attractive for short trips which have a negative impact on traffic flow.
1.Well just city facing slips only for traffic to access the the shopping centre from the cityside would be sufficient. It’s an idea anyway,
It will be needed, knowing the fact the the the Roxboro exit will be discarded when the new Rossbrien cloverleaf is built. plus it would seriously relieve traffic.
2.This section of road we are talking about is running closest to the city i.e Between city centre and Dooradoyle. There is no access for traffic here, apart from the Dock road interchange. Which will be hell.
3. I want to point out that the Parkway road was funded by the NRA. The city councils land does extend to that of the parkway retail park, the parkway shopping centre and the childers road retail park agglomeration.
The city council fcuked this up not the the county council. The city council came along and decorated the roads with traffic lights.
As we speak there are putting more in now. This is comedy you know.Both authorities are a joke in a lot of aspects you have mistaken the county council on the parkway madness.The Parkway vally complex is on the county grounds lands. my point is there both are just as much responsible for the planning mess of this city. and they both squabble over it, is just unbelievable. Your right it will so much fun when this opens onto a gridlocked road. Yay.
I agree with pretty much everything else you’ve said though.
@Tuborg wrote:
Im not sure where you got that from, theres absolutely no suggestion that Dooradoyle will be transferred into the control of the City Council. A limited boundary extension involving Coonagh and parts of Caherdavin on the northside is due to go ahead next month!
I thought it was all of it was going ahead except the sections that are in county clare. Oops sorryagain. Eventually crosses my toes that the boundary extension will follow through.
Yeah it’s boring alright, ditto, souless is not even the word! The central Mall looks so empty, considering the units are bland and are not much bigger than an average sized living room. I could go on.
@Tuborg wrote:
The city boundary as it stands just isnt sustainable and its little wonder that the city has developed in such a disjointed and unco-ordinated manner over the course of the last 50 years or so! Limerick city is just too small to be governed by 2 Limerick local authorities and as far as Im concerned a city boundary should expand along with the city, within reason of course.
The Limerick city suburbs are a huge cash cow for Limerick County Council and they will not give them up without a fight, they are in direct competition with the City Council in a bid to secure commercial rates and I think its a well known fact that limerick County Council wohe countynt turn down any development that will guarantee them some cold hard cash!
While I agree with everything you’ve said, but I think both city and the county council are doing a very bad job in running of the city. You swear the city was in two different countries.
Its reaching to crisis point at this stage. When one would see two authorities in the one city having to compete each other. The map just shows how irregular this city is sprawling….
Note: that map is at least 7 years old, the sprawl is even uglier now thanks to google earth.
This is nonsense talk of not going ahead with the extension.
When it will create more jobs and bring more people to the region. I fail to see how this is bad for the city when the shopping centre has been here for the last 30 years. Limerick city centre suffered because of high rates and the over supply of retail warehouseses built all over the outskirts.
Roads are been upgraded in the plan, Extra parking will be provided.The Crencent will become a national shopping centre. Something to be proud of. Its great to see it go ahead, It has gone through major revamps since over the last few decades..
Limerick people have been crying out for years for a Marks and Spencers.
Now there is finally planning permission for one at the Crescent S.C. After all theses years of improper planning between both councils,they manage to create a fuss over this. It’s actually pathetic to think of it. The mark and spenser store is a large store alright but there is only a few extra units built adjacent to the S.C. I just cannot see this affecting the city.The Crescent is well a established S.C in Limericks biggest suburb. It attracts shoppers from outside the Limerick region. Its also serves the citys largest suburb Dooradoyle. It has never really affected the city centre retailers, it has been here for too many years now. I think many people from outside Limerick who shop in the Crescent will also shop in the city centre also, if they have come a long distance. Its up to the limerick city council to make the city centre more attractive to retailers.
Limerick city centrewill still thrive even if a M&S is built in the Crescent its getting a
second M&S store in the city centre. It has been confirmed by M&S that they want a city centre store. So it comes to the only argument from the city council and thats the traffic problem the development may cause.The City council have some nerve to say this, when the city council are responsible for the worst traffic blackspot in the city Parkway RO. They allowed the building of many retail parks with no new infastructure in place at all. They allowed massive retail developments off the childers road to go ahead with minimul road upgrades. Childers road is now choked. The city council have a terrible record on fixing traffic problems, in fact they made traffic flows alot worse. So trhey better leave that topic.
They are leveling the Parkway S.C soon and replacing with high density developments!, will the roads be upgraded? Will the city council ever clean there room first before they point the finger at someone else’s
on a sIde note for the city council At least the county council are radically improving the surrounding roads and upgrading the Dooradoyle road junction etc.
The sourthern ring road flys by the Crescent, and ir’s very possible that private investers could build a few slips onto the New ring road in the future. Just a thought, as another alternative for traffic using the side roads to and from theshopping centre
Its only M&S and a few retail units ffs.
The Crescent will soon be in the limerick city council agglomeration in a few months, when the current boundary proposal goes ahead BTW I’m sure they it wouldn’t be appealing for the enlargment then.It’s amazng that the Mahon shopping centre and the Wilton S.C went ahead in Cork, with little problems you know.I just hope to god, that the city and council become one athourity and hopefully new council members are relected, to keep this city under one roof, This city is not in good hands at the moment
@vkid wrote:
There’s a good image on the front of the Leader today but i’ve no scanner. Lots of tall/glassy/shiny buildings
Main points are
– New civic and cultural center with European style open spaces including a floating concert arena(?), swimming baths, waterways center, pedestrian bridge and water features
– A new high rise business district at Bishops Quay to compliment The Riverpoint
– A new city village with redevelopment of the Watergate flats area and redesign of the Milk Market area
– A retail district to include the demolition of the Cruises street area
– Full Georgian city regeneration with the development of winter gardens and quality mews at the rear of buildings with high quality residential in the upper 2 floors and basements with retail/office on ground and first floorsWill be no loss to see the back of Sarsfield house. It is planned to be replaced by a glass tower based loosely on the idea of the Beetham tower in Manchester.
Seems this all could be part of the earlier talk of demolishing the Pennys/Debenhams/Arthurs Quay/Liddy Street area’s and now also includes the Cruises street area. I assume the opera Center will be worked in there somehow.
Interesting to see new(ish) structures like Arthurs Quay and Cruises Street being demolished..all less than 20 years old. Same with the Savoy in recent times. 80’s developments were never pretty in Limerick anyway so no loss imo.I’d imagine the liddy/AQ SC and pennys is part of the new plan. It would be well odd, if these grand plans for the city got the go ahead, with still one massive eysore still left to face in the city.
The CBD at Bishops Quay with tall buildings is defenately a thumbs for me! It would give Limerick a sense glory and a new found confidence with all the gleaming glass high rises facing the onto the city and the river Shannon. It would be some sight coming from Caherdavin!…
What are the plans for cruise’s street if its get’s knocked?
Boundary extension
There are some people holding this city back…
It’s people who object to the Boundary extension. I can imagine people from outside this country would laugh at this petty issue which has being on the agenda for the last 30 years…
I do not even blame the Government entirely either.
It has not got a boundary extension since 1950 and 50% of the population is now outside the city boundary at present[/B]. Planning is not balanced out and there are two development plans for this city. Limerick county plan (involves 50% of the city) and the City development plan itself. which is stupid. . City is continuing to spread out into Clare and Limerick with no proper infrastructure or planning.
The polictians here and leaders of this city cannot agree or sit down at a table As this city is divided now into three constituencies I.e. 50% of limerick city is in it’s boundary, 40% in Limerick county and 10% falls into Clare. Limerick is in also now reaching the Tipperary border at Newport.
This carry with on with keeping this city underbounded with no proper planning is unacceptable and not in the best interest of Limerick city and region as a whole.
This city is losing out as result of these County cavemen around the table fighting over land that is naturally part of this city.
Areas such as Moyross, Parteen and neighbouring regions is part of the Limerick agglomeration but are within In Clare and Limerick County These areas are substandard, inadequate and very accessible compared to the areas within the city limits. Many locals have constantly complained to the County council to improve roads around the area. “Where is the money going”
All the money coming from these suburbs within Limerick city whether it’s rates, levies, new developments etc etc. are being transferred to less well off regions of Clare and Limerick county to their improve roads, housings, schools etc… Which is fine if Funding is balanced. Limerick city council is only scraping by and is only making a marginal profit because of it’s high rates. Now It’s further pushing businesses to move out of the city into the suburbs creating a dougnut effect. Limerick County and Clare are happy to see. A city needs to deveop in and then outwards not the other way round.
The Government should act urgently, to make the decision to go ahead with the extension and bring it under one super authority.
It would bring back investment into the entire region and will prosper. The monopoly of this city cannot remain in the hands of the Limerick/Clare county councils 🙂 It’s being dragged on for too long and now needs national attention as the boundary issue cannot be hands of local politicians no more!
Figures from CSO (Central statistics office)
Area Sqm Pop
Limerick 2,035 52,539
Cork 3,961 119,418
Galway 5,025 72,414
Waterford 4158 45,748I have recently looked at a recenty all Ireland survey property supplement on the Irish times given by Myhome property team.
It showed that Limerick County had the highest growth in residential property between 1997 to the Present (2007).
It’s starting to catch up with the regional cities. This means people are moving here and becoming an attractive place to live and work. The rate of growth in Residential prices was only match by Offaly and in third place was Meath. Louth actually saw a drop in prices this year. Surprising figures.
I will post the exact figures on a later date.
@mickeydocs wrote:
Just when I was starting to enjoy the forum again, back comes idiot boy from Limerick with his invented population stats.
Oh behave you.:p
@PVC King wrote:
Dave I was gobsmacked when you exceeded post 321. Where have you been hiding in recent times?
Waterford getting a priority inter urban Dual Carriageway was a deadful decision and can only be compared to the M3 going to Kells as they are both totally politically motivated white elephants.
Take this one onto the Tara thread
Laughed at that myself. It was just a mere coincidence really. 123 – 321 I’ve being on but I haven’t posted since.
Spotted something exciting so I posted it. I’m back:D
Well Dual carriagway would have being ok till Kilkenny at least. Traffic pretty much is quiet after that. I’d agree with the last statement.
