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@foinse wrote:
Doubt it, they’ve boarded up the entrances and taken down the hoarding giving the footpath and a lane of traffic back to Henry Street, having done that i can’t see them doing anything with it for the foreseeable future.
Surely they can complete this building, its Henry street. They have to be moronic not to see the potential here. They should just get off their asses and finish it unpaid at this rate. it’s not acceptable to leave a prime building corner on a busy city centre street while new developments are still going on in this city.
THere is a site on live maps (last 2007) that is accross from The Clarion. It is at the junction of Dock road and O’Curry street corner. Is this site developed? Is this where the 8/9 story building was built recently. This site is an atrractive prime site for something new fresh and innovative? When the Bypass is completeed, I’d imagine the Dock road will not be as bad with traffic. What do you think could be built here? An high artictectual birght
high rise to sister the Clarion???I personally would love a green energy efficient well designed tower that has solar energy capability. This could be the high rise could be the Convention centre in the city centre too? Any ideas.
The ESB site is has tremendous potential.
@foremanjoe wrote:
Lighten up dave123.
And maybe read a newspaper.
Just sort yourself out dude! It’s simple. Try it. Could be good.
@Service charge wrote:
I can understand not wanting to take away from the Eastlink.
I don’t.
Since O’Connnell bridge and all the others right up to Eastlink is congested, there is really no sympathy given to toll operators. Feck them totally. It’s time we stop using money as our god and start re gaining common sense. Safety and common sense should become before the illogic of the toll operators wanting more money.
@foremanjoe wrote:
Nice paradox Dave, use of a profanity and an appeal for common sense in the same statement. Hey you’re not a member of the Green Parliamentary Party by any chance, are you?
No are you….
@Frank Taylor wrote:
It’s a direct journey…
pearse street, macken st, bridge, guild st, seville place, portland row, ncr, dorset street, drumcondra.It has to be arranged to dissuade eastlink bridge traffic, otherwise it will just suck up all the toll dodgers and congest the city centre with traffic that previously skirted along east wall rd and sandymount strand.
It’s going to be hard to put double deck buses across it with all the low bridges from the DART line. There might be a market for a route that crosses the DART line at Merrion Gates.
Fuck the tolls.
Common sense and traffic management should come before the greed of tolls.
http://www.limerick.ie/Publications/Thefile,8018,en.pdf
There is a lot of info on the developments and projects in discription for Limerick. Esepcially the Arthurs Quqy project. So it looks like this will move quicker than the Opera centre??
If anything it will still be positive. Since many of the buildings are brought out and the city wants a proper city centre square and demolition of Arthurs quay park and centre, it will defenatley put the city centre focus back in the right direction. If anything, this will enhance the prospects of the Opera centre going ahead.
http://www.healypartners.com/pj_gpo.html
Has this scheme started back on the move.
In relation to the planning crisis in Limerick, is there not any coherent or balanced plans on the agenda to spread the city’s population in a circular fashion and not just all to Raheen and Castletroy. I know Castletroy is a very desired suburb. But there are many parts of the city that could be rezoned. For example the city council wants to have a population increase in its city boundary. They had drawn up a plan for the rezoning of lands in Caherdavin. Minister Gormly I think wants the city boundary to go ahead under the one administration. The parts of Clare will be part of the city boundary. But it will still be known as Country Clare. The urban area that spills into Clare should be in control of the city limits, for it is in the city limits.
I have to say the city is a planning mess right now. The road at Coonagh should have already been extended to Moyross. Though I’m glad the city council are working on the inner orbital this will allow the pedestrianisation to go ahead.
Hopefully fingers crossed the Opera centre will go ahead, or at least we will find a way to use this site. The knocking of Arthurs quay into a Limerick centre heart for the people.
Limerick is on the right track for the future if we bring a more balanced/community feel to any development that is proposed. The money monopoly/orientation has to go. The corruption is not to be tolerated anymore.
I spotted this out of interest. A development lodged for Catherine street.
Anyone know what’s going on with this. There is ALOT of interest to redevelop Catherine street. I would like to see architectural merit brought into context along this street. There is a lot of Character along this street that needs highlighting. Henry Street redevelopment has been very sucessful, mainly because of private investors and most of the street was a derelict wasteland prior to the redevelopment. Catherine street and Parnell street needs attention now, (while the wait for the fourth crossing and O’Connells street pedestrianisatoin comes on 2010)
http://buckplanning.blogspot.com/2007/12/proposals-for-40m-limerick-city-centre.html
This is a really good read. Breaks down the city into its former regions. Each part of the city has much potential.
- The Riverside walks and quayside still on target.
- University of LImerick expanding and growing along with new medical school
- Castletroy area still lots of developments in the pipeline
- Bedford Row Phase 2 and cinema (waiting to go ahead)
- Parnell street regeneration (seeing some signs of redevoleopment in the near future)
- Train station redevelopment
- Opera S.C project
- City centre pedestrianisation phase 3 (2010)
- Orbital road underway
- Arthurs Quay (llate 2010 to 2012)
- Crescent expansion possible
- Caherdavin rezoning for major residential development
- King’s Island regeneration and Nicholas street enhancement
- Childer’s road widening
- Tunnel opening ( mid 2010)
- Phase 1 of the Coonagh to Moyross Distrubuter road
I would like more focus on beautifying the city. With the Georgion regeneration to be given more attention. The riverside walks enhanced with some flowers and trees. The Hanging gardens and Henry street completion. The Orbital road to get going, as the tunnel will open and the next phase of the city regeneration is the O’Connells street and William street plan. The Bedford row phase 2. The Opera centre start. I would also like to see some meetings done on the Arthurs quay plan, people need to have their say on this project. It looks promising and really vital for the city if it’s done right. Any other ideas? Limerick needs to have a city centre sqaure and it’s ideally suited to where Arthurs quay is currently located.
Yes it can happen.
Lets face reality.
Lets face it.
Lets face that I said it.
What are you going to do about it.
Written by John O’Shaughnessy
Thursday, 18 June 2009 08:04
LIMERICK POSTTHE second hand property market is showing definite signs of recovery…but new house sales remain static.
There has also been a marked improvement in the commercial sector, with several important shop sales recorded in the city inside the last month.
That is the word from a prominent local auctioneer who has detected a sharp, if unexpected rise, in the sale of second-hand houses.
And he is hopeful that the upturn will continue, and that Ireland is coming out of the recession.
He pointed to world oil markets. “Much to the annoyance of motorists, petrol prices have risen steeply in recent weeks, but the upside to that is that it signals a world-wide demand for oil again. The wheels are moving in the United States and that is good news”.
Though the property market had taken a nosedive over the last 12 months, there were, added the auctioneer, no bargains to be found in city estates.
“Estates such as Caherdavin, Dooradoyle, Raheen, Corbally and Castletroy have held their values, with prices much the same as they were before the recession hit. The reason is that they are all close to the city with amenities on their doorsteps”.
However, it is a different story on the outskirts with big price drops in areas like Clonlara, Crecora, Patrickswell, Meelick, etc.
A spokesperson for one of Limerick’s biggest developers told the Limerick Post that while there was noticeable movement in the market place generally, it had yet to happen in new house sales.
“There is a lot of stock around just now with some builders having in excess of 20 already built units just sitting there. That is a lot of money to have tied up.
“Consequently, there is precious little in the way of new builds, with some sites having closed down.
“While second-hand houses might be in demand, the situation there is that people are trading-up and are not too heavily committed loan wise.
“Buying new is different, though, and the lending institutions have more or less shut shop when it comes to giving out substantial loans. Investors are also thin on the ground”.
[align=center:15szv6ul]This is good news for the city[/align:15szv6ul]@jimg wrote:
While I also would prefer to see a Powerscourt Centre or IFI/Temple Bar Square (for all its faults) type of development here, it has to be acknowledged that this is a big advance on what was being proposed previously (which you could say would not be hard). It certainly is not perfect but the restoration and preservation of such a large number of historic buildings and facades and more importantly ensuring that a significant proportion of units are street facing rather than inward facing is a huge improvement.
Well I would concur with that. But if we went with that, underground carparking and the upper floors would be removed.
I personally would want more shops onto Patrick street have shop frontage and frontal street access, to create more footfall on the street. To give the street a more natural pedestrian enironment. I fear that Patrick street/Rutland street will become dead. Arthurs quay had this problem too.As does many shopping malls in cities. Where the only access was the mall entrance, leaving the Patrick street side just dreary and flat walled for most of its block. It needs to be taking into valid consideration.
Also another aspect they could do instead of going for the usual modern glazed slabbing on parvements. Is they could blend the new into the old streetways. like put old type lanerns in the mall rather than the usual monotone lights. etc. Old pictures of the city along most of its corridors. All these could bring all the important symbolism of what the Opera centre could be? Just an idea.
The centre of the shopping mall, should be more cafe oreintated rather than the usual Macca’s/Burger King outlets.
Overall I’m giving this a 8/10. The little ideas can be incoporated with no extra cost to money:)
@rumpelstiltskin wrote:
I don’t think you’re going to bring people into the city to go to a shopping centre, when there are already shopping centre all over the outskirts. That’s the big problem here, it’s being seen as a lynchpin of Limerick’s future success. But in order to be truly successful and vibrant, Limerick has to give people what they can’t get anywhere else. Yet the Crescent shopping centre opens on Thursday and Friday nights, and on Sundays which are among the busiest times for shopping, while the city becomes a ghost town.
Limerick needs to develop particular city centre attractions to thrive – like quality eateries, pubs, specialist shops, and of course extra-curricular activities. The very least it needs for starters is a cinema, which being in proximity to many pubs and restaurants would provide a unique appeal. And then it needs to expand opening hours. I think there’s nothing that would increase the buzz than changing general opening hours to 12pm-9pm every day, if not later. You’d be amazed how many people there are who’d like to be able to go to a coffee shop at 11pm.
But the Opera will work like what Stephens green does for Dublin. It will pull footfall, and tourist no matter what day of the week. Also since I’m in the catchment of Limerick, I would rather use the Opera centre than use the sprawlling retaril houses. Because
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- Pedestiran friendly
- all shoips under one roof
- underground car parking
- citry centre amenties close by
- restaurants close by
- greater variety of shops
- and its gives me the opportunity to shop more out of the city like going to other shops closeby
@vkid wrote:
The only one that is slightly similar to me is The Eyre Square s.c in Galway…although lets hope it turns out better than that but the idea is similar. Couple of anchor tenants, lots of smaller units etc..
Opera centre is like two or three times bigger and retains far more older architeture into the new Shopping mall. I’m not to sure if Eyre sq shopping centre retains this factor. Also I much prefer these type of inner city malls than out of town malls imo.
I’m not a shopper as such, but its seems more logical to have a shopping heart in the centre of the city rather than sprawling warehouses around the city, leaving the city like a ghostown.
Finally this is great stuff. When are they going to start building it. Could it be autumn. Its amazing how far it has come. If you think about it. What other Shopping centre’s could you compare this development to in this country. There is no shopping centre in Ireland that manages to to retain most of the old into the new in such an unique way. I think this is going to be very successful. Limerick will become a magnet for shoppers. This will bring much needed life into the heart of the city once again. this will attract other retailers to locate in the city rather than on the doughnut edges.
I’m proud that everyone is working together now, and it seems that people are communicating in the right way as we can now see.
@vkid wrote:
Politics? I doubt the rebels in the peoples republic would be happy for a start. They weren’t exactly impressed with the decision to redevelop Thomond Park but they’d go looney over that suggestion altogether
😀Fup em.. Limerick is the sports capital of Ireland, since Limerick is better located and more central in Munster and closer to Connacht, I dont see why Not… Once the ring road is completed, the stadium will be very easily accessilbe. The cork stadium can be a nightmare at times in getting to and from it and not to mention parking..
