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I went to a meeting in Bolton St in 2001 all about bringing Planning Aid to Ireland. Nothing seems to have come of it though. I don’t think there’s the time or will to do such a thing here. But if graduates could do it, I guess it would make sense. But it would give lie to the “conspiracy against the laity” aspect of the planning system, and we can’t have that now can we…

The larger private sector companies are more varied, especially at the lower levels. It’s the difference between writing EIS’s or an appeal for a major retail/residential scheme or driving around checking site notices and assessing extensions… There is a moral dimension to it too. All that matters is the client. However, I’m not 100% concerned about that. At the end of the day, the Authorities make development plans and are the guardians of the built environment. Planners merely give effect to those plans. What needs to happen in my opinion is the major planning consultants who represent the largest developers, need to show leadership to their clients and show them that doing the right thing is better in the long term for the development industry, their clients ie homeowners, and the environment in general.

the days of gentrification by removal are long gone. Anyone suggesting otherwise has not been paying attention to patterns of urban development in the post war period. This policy failed (see west Tallaght for example) and should never happen again. There is nothing wrong with those flats as far as I’m aware. Some LA housing of that era is far superior accomodation than many of the private apartments built in Irishtown/Ringsend since, both space wise and visually. Ringsend is a living inner suburban district with a long history. Obviously it’s not all good, (I remember goin through from the Point years ago with a few mates and being chased through the town, they caught one of my mates and mugged him at knife-point, so I’ve first hand experience of these “scangers” so eloquently referred to earlier.)

Some of the posters here belong in Thatcher’s London Docklands, not our Dublin Docks. Darkman please define “world class quarter”? What’s a world class place to live in if it is devoid of character, history and it’s people, wholly populated by a transient, single class?

I had the same story. It’s impossible to get into the LA’s as graduate opportunities are rare. I was very lucky to get a job in planning, it was just through a friends’ leave of absence. (Taking 2 years off after graduating to p1ss about in a band didn’t help either!!!). Anyway the consultancies are easier to get into so yeh blanket bomb and obviously check the jobs on the IPI website…

But it’s a classic irish situation. The system is overstretched and under funded. There’s no planners in the Local Authorities and dozens of unemployed graduates?? genius. I’m sure you’re sick of people telling you how everyone’s looking for planners. I know I was…

@NeilA wrote:

Does anyone know what the time scale is after this week when the oral hearing finishes? How long do An Bord Pleanala take to come to a decision generally?

They’re supposed to decide within 18 weeks of an appeal but they can take as long as they want, but I’d expect an outcome in early spring

Wednesday 13th December 2006: The Henrietta Street Conservation Plan will be launched today by Lord Mayor Councillor Vincent Jackson and the Dublin City Manager, John Tierney at the King’s Inns, Henrietta Street at 6pm. The Conservation plan re-affirms Henrietta Street as one of the principal architectural and urban ensembles of this country.

“This conservation plan is essential in highlighting the architectural vulnerabilities on Henrietta Street and will help to re-affirm its significance through the implementation of appropriate policies”, said the Lord Mayor.

http://www.dublincity.ie/press_news/press_releases/conservation_plan_launch_for_ireland_s_first_georgian_streetscape.asp

“It’s not just high relative to the existing stadium, it’s high relative to other similar stadiums. It’s about 13m higher than Croke Park, and just a little shorter than Liberty Hall. The reason for the height is that the new stadium will have lots of extra floor space devoted to corporate boxes, restaurants and meeting facilities which aren’t in the current stadium.”

the reason it’s so high is also due to the shape which was necessary for the northern end. I’m also sick of hearing the Liberty Hall comparison. As we all know, it’s irrelevant given the proposals around the city. It’s just a hackneyed cliche.

I agree that the other uses should not be part of it. They do take up a lot of space, but if they were removed it wouldn’t make that much difference to the height. restaurants and conference facilities are within the super-structure of the main stands which are defined by their capacity. What it does show is that the current stadium is underutilised. These facilities are in all modern stadiums, but they may not be necessary here. After all the HQ’s of the FAI and IRFU will be at Abbotstown and they should use these facilities rather than Lansdowne Road

“A lot of people in the area still can’t get insurance against flooding because of the major flood events in 2002, so I don’t see how you can say “the river is very controlled”. The plans for the stadium don’t include any specifics on flood defences.”

it is not the duty of the applicant to undertake flood control for the Ringsend/Sandymount area. The proposed development will not cause extra flooding, therefore this issue is a red herring. It’s up to the City Council to sort this issue out, and so far they’ve been utterly negligent, as far as i can tell.

no 16 Moore street has just been declared a national monument. The saga goes on and on

Decision details available now: AI requested unsurprisingly. If this link doesnt work, the file no. is 5170/06

http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHA … 2&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%20<a%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=416185%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=APNID:asc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=Search%20Criteria‘>Search%20Results

stira, eventually that LUAS line from bray to town will be a Metro so all that line from Bray to Swords via the airport will be seamless. ALso it’s not the planners to blame it’s retarded governance by the gombeens voted in by the people. each element is being built one at a time and will all link up.Sadly the most critical element, the interconnector, is the last thing to be done

eh just to clarify, the “realigned foster’s avenue” is the ecological and environmental gift that is the Eastern bypass. This 4 lane urban motorway from the M50 at Sandyford will occupy part of UCD’s lands and will connect with the N11 via a flyover before going underground alongside the Radisson and under Booterstown and Sandymount before linking up with the port tunnel. (well if the PDs get their way we’ll need it…)

as for the substantive issue, I went to Trinity first before UCD so my view is so utterly biased (correct mind you, but biased nonetheless) that to offer anything would be unhelpful. Anything I would have to say would involve words like scratch, from, start, again and the like heh heh

seriously though, the keyword is cohesion. UCD needs to be knitted together like a sweater that’s been mangled by a dog. Also a sense of place and a human scale… the concept of a street sounds good. One good thing about TCD is that most of the buildings front onto the pedestrian space, be it a footpath or a square. There;s very little setback or big steps leading up to them as far as i can remember…