New Public Space for Docklands

@Maskhadov wrote:

Those house across the water are a balls. They should be all demolished and replaced with 8 story apartments or something imaginative.

Sure it’s only where the poor people live. Hardly the type of resident we should be trying to encourage, right? And the handy thing is that, because it’s local authority housing, it should be easy enough to just give them a shove.

Because places are all about buildings, not people, right?

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I haven’t heard any plans to change the name of Misery Hill, but that’s not to say that it’s not being planned. Still, if we’re airbrushing the established local population out of the area, maybe we should go the whole hog and airbrush the history too?

‘Misery’. It just sounds so, well, poor.

I wouldn’t be surprised Phil. The city has an awful lot of work to do. Some of the parts of the city are horrendous.

We can relocate those people who come from a lower social economic background to brand new units somewhere else in the city. I’m on about the buildings across the water not the people.

@Maskhadov wrote:

We can relocate those people who come from a lower social economic background to brand new units somewhere else in the city.

And if they don’t want to move…?

(I also agree with Phil that the buildings aren’t bad at all, having been outside them this weekend, though I think the social side of your argument requires more attention than the aesthetic.)

@Maskhadov wrote:

I thought this was to be one of the most important areas of the city for art. Those flats don’t enhance the experience. Neither does a bunch load of scangers coming over in track suit bottoms begging for money so they can buy some dutch gold.

Not sure where you heard the thing about art from, but what does it matter when your views (as expressed in the second sentence) are clearly based on massive generalisations.

@Maskhadov wrote:

Those house across the water are a balls. They should be all demolished and replaced with 8 story apartments or something imaginative.

Surely in the Irish context ‘8 story apartments or something imaginative’ is a perfect example of an oxymoron! 🙂

Not vested interest, just interest. Unless you consider caring about your city ‘vested’.

And whether or not they look crap (as you know, I don’t think they do), I can’t agree that they should be removed just so something more (ahem) befitting the area can be installed. Enough of the historic fabric of the docklands has been swept away to make the retention of the remaining layers all the more necessary.

@The Denouncer wrote:

They could just put a line of 20 foot neon poles in front of all those ‘flats’ so they can’t be seen.

Are you being serious?

ok, obviously some people here have a vested interest in keeping the flats. I was just pointing out that they look crap in comparison to what they are trying to build the other side of the water

Maskhadov, no vested interest for me either! As I said earlier, these buildings are alot better than alot of what has been built in the docks in recent years. As with many similar developments of their era, they are good examples of high density urban living that have stood the test of time.

Ireland is a capitalist society. You will find at the end of the day something will be done to obscure that particular section in order that the development may be completed to a high standard. This may well involve those particular residents being re housed in a differernt part of the city . I`m not saying it`s right, more that it is the nature of the beast. In trying to showcase the city , it`s an inevitable consequence of almost any new development . (see across the river at the IFSC ) If we were talking about say Socialist Stockholm here, such extremes don’t exist and as such there wouldn’t be an issue but this is Celtic Tiger Oireland, and if you get in the way, then tough. Money talks, and unfortunately bullshit walks.

That does not make it right.

Yeah The Denouncer, it’s probably better that those lights are left on west side of the dock anyway so the new developments don’t ruin the view from Ringsend 😉

I am amazed and frankly appalled by some of what I am reading here.

@Maskhadov and the other demographic designers, would you not think the obvious solution is to build brand spanking new apartments on the site of the current Ringsend flats, and then rehouse the current residents there. Then it would all fit in perfectly, the current residents would get more modern homes, and the current community in Ringsend would not be disrupted by the wholesale removal of a huge chunk of its residents.

@alonso wrote:

What’s a world class place to live in if it is devoid of character, history and it’s people, wholly populated by a transient, single class?

I see nothing appealing about the flats in Ringsend at all. Sometimes its better to call a spade a spade. It is not an area the vast majority of Dubliners would consider visiting for very obvious reasons. No I would rather it did not remain like that. Demolish the whole lot and start again.