Dublin Airport Metro to have unconnected terminus?
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@Seamus O’G wrote:
Yes Indeed. The big project of his reign was supposed to be the link-up of the two LUAS lines. Despite everybody going out of their way to make their contribution on that project in a seriers of open days about a year ago, there still hasn’t been a word.
judging by the number of times the RPA surveyors have been in dawson st I would bet my shirt that it will eventually head down this way
Does anybody know what kind of depths the tunnels will be bored?
I think I read somewhere that the depth at which one can bore depends on the nature of the soil.
In Paris, you only have to take an escalator down one floor at lots of stations to find yourself on the platform whereas in London or Washington DC, stations are usually pretty deep.why is the swords/airport metro line not continuing underground until it reaches grand canal luas station and then surfacing? personally i live near dundrum luas station and if i have to change tram or train etc at stephens green i wouldnt be bothered, id stick with the car etc. Surely the Luas and Metro can run on same track if they are the same gauge? Could you not then also create and a short underground spur from the tallaght line (say jervis st.) to the oconnell street metro line and have 3 line trams servicing the airport? say every second tram from red and green line serving the original end destination? I see ideas and suggestions on these boards here, that have far more foresight and logic than the nonsenese the planners etc come up with, its just ridiculous!
stira, eventually that LUAS line from bray to town will be a Metro so all that line from Bray to Swords via the airport will be seamless. ALso it’s not the planners to blame it’s retarded governance by the gombeens voted in by the people. each element is being built one at a time and will all link up.Sadly the most critical element, the interconnector, is the last thing to be done
There is no plan envisaged to connect the Luas green line with the metro. The plan is to stop tunnelling at Stephen’s green and bury the machine there. Unless alonso has some special information?
stephens green will be an interchange with Luas, Metro and the undeground Dart tunnel, pending the upgrading of the Luas to metro, when the line will go underground at ranelagh and head straight to the airport so there is a plan to connect the green line
Is this actually the case? is the metro going to continue underground to Ranelagh and then surface? What about the luas extension to cherrywood is that going to be metro ready?
The Luas to Bray via Cherrywood and Sandyford is to be upgraded to Metro. It’s not in T21 but it is part of the DTO strategy, which is still government policy. T21 is just a capital investment plan, not a transport strategy. LUAS and Metro can run at the same time on the same tracks. In fact this is how it is envisaged that services will be gradually ramped up
Anyway:
Luas Green Line will run from Ranelagh to Liffey Junction (remnants of line B post Metro upgrade + Line BX + Line BX cross city line extension). This could eventually be extended to Finglas, where the original plan for Metro north went in the DTO Strategy
Metro will run from Bray West (Fassaroe) all the way to Swords (Lissenhall P+R). It will run on the luas alignment (ie Harcourt line) as far as Ranelagh (I think!!!) where it will go underground through the city as far as the northside suburbs.
The Luas upgrade to Metro is a very long term plan. It is already necessary but as it is outside the 10 year investment programme it’ll more than likely be 2020 before it’s done.
id say the planners etc or dto, gov etc whoevers decison it is when the luas gets upgraded to metro, will change there minds on how critical it is when the new extension opens up and the luas cant cope anymore, the amount of apartments being built in sandford is unbelievable, along with the new phase 2 of dundrum shopping centere, along with all the aprtments being built around dundrum etc. And every other suburb it passes through. Do you think this is correct and that they will be forced to upgrade to metro much sooner than previously anticipated?
The DTO stated at the public inquiry into the Cherrywood extension, that the upgrade was needed sooner rather than later, as they had the data on proposed land uses along the line vs LUAS capacity. The reaction from the Dept of Transport Inspector was that it would not be needed for another 20 years!!! But it’s obvious to the dogs on the streets that a Metro is already needed. You mention Sandyford and Dundrum, but add in Cherrywood, Rathmichael, Old Connaught and Fassaroe and it’s insane to believe that a LUAS is sufficient.
I think it’s a joke that the alignment has been determined by landowners, land rezoned on the basis of accessibility to public transport, while the public transport being funded by these landowners is wholly lacking for the quantum of development proposed.
I can’t see the upgrade being kept on the long finger. Things will collapse around Cherrywood by 2015
Things will collapse around Cherrywood by 2015
Five years after Waterford has its High Quality Dual Carriageway to Dublin; welcome to Transport planning in Ireland as delivered by this goverment. Prediction 2015 no Metro and no interconnector period.
I worked in Dublin for two years.
My question about the metro in Dublin.
Why is Dublin to plan so large distances between stations in the middle of the city. Mater Hospital-O’Connell Bridge is long. O’Connell Bridge-Stephen’s Green is long too,
400-600 metres between stations is normal for metros. In Dublin the distances are very large.
Hi Morlan. That’s a funny picture.
Yes, I agree. If 400-600 metres is a normal distance between stations, College Green or the lower end of Grafton Street would be good. Then on O’Connell Street you could have a station really close to the trams.
Maybe also you could build a station on Parnell Square.
Clearly this is a more expensive system. However, it is a mistake to have too large distances between stations. Especially in the busy parts of the city.
Stephen’s Green to O’Connell Bridge is 800m. So the maximum walk to a station if you find yourself between these stops is 400m or 5 minutes. nobody minds a 5 minute walk (length of Grafton Street). Adding extra stops increases journey times overall and increases build costs.
O’Connell Bridge to Mater hospital is 1400m and needs an intermediate stop at Parnell Square. This is under negotiation at the moment. Parnell Street is a hub of multicultural activity and very densely built up with the potential for a lot more building on the East side. Also David Norris will be lobbying for a stop near his house.
I thought he cycled everywhere!!!
both measurements of 800m & 1400m assume a single exit for all three stops.
Two exits at each 50m from the end of each platform O’Connell Street would be a lot cheaper and keep journey times down: between Parnell St and de spike a short stroll and beyond parnell st land use intensity collapses
I wish I were a senator. It’s one of the few jobs you could do drunk.
senate 16 may, 2001
Mr Norris
..While I am at it I permit myself the aside that one of the things we should look at as early as possible is the location of the stations. Though it is a minutely parochial point, I hope there is one at the northern end of O’Connell Street, partly for the James Joyce Centre. Imagine how marvellous it would be to get off a plane at Dublin Airport and get right into the centre of the city, not just to the southside. The southside will probably be favoured in this as in all other matters. Somebody from America who has booked into the Gresham, a very fine hotel, wants to be able to get into an underground at the airport and come out almost opposite its door. I even have a name for the Minister, the James Joyce station. They do it in Paris on the metro where they have the Victor Hugo and others.Mrs. O’Rourke: What about the Bertie Ahern station?
Mr. Ryan: The Senator should show a bit of erudition. He pronounced Hugo incorrectly.
Mr. Norris: The Minister should not worry, it is just Senator Ryan’s inferiority complex rising to the surface again. Next thing, he will be telling her about how Fianna Fáil has changed since his day.
Mr. Ryan: My inferiority complex is well known. Everybody knows about it. It was well advertised—
Mr. Norris: It is well known. It would be a wonderful idea to honour someone on the north side of Dublin and close to the Joyce centre. It is only an accident that it is also close to my house…
@Frank Taylor wrote:
Stephen’s Green to O’Connell Bridge is 800m. So the maximum walk to a station if you find yourself between these stops is 400m or 5 minutes. nobody minds a 5 minute walk (length of Grafton Street). Adding extra stops increases journey times overall and increases build costs..
to you or I a 5 minute walk but what about the eldery or mothers with kids – anyway its a real pain in the arse getting off at the green centre to go to somewhere like Temple bar – make the service practical, build the extra stop and hang the cost!
Metro North will have a stop at O’Connell Bridge, so this is where you would alight for Temple Bar. Temple Bar-Stephens Green is around 800m but we are talking about a 400m maximum walk.
Walking speeds are a critical factor for urban design. Pedestrian crossings are calibrated on walking speeds of 400m in 5 minutes – a speed that 70% of Americans can manage. In a study of Americans over 65, 85% of them could walk 400m in 7 minutes 20s
http://www.usroads.com/journals/p/rej/9710/re971001.htmI’m sure we could both walk 400m in a lot less than 5 minutes, Rory!
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