Carlton Cinema Development
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The main reason for developing a shopping centre/mall on the Carlton site, indeed the reason it was originally proposed, is to draw people to the northern end of the Street. O’ Connell Street is being used simply as a route to get to Henry Street, people do not go any further, to the detriment of businesses on the other side/northern end of the Street, as stated in the Area Plan, and is an obvious fact.
Wheras developing the Abbey on the Carlton site is a charming and obvious idea, it simply would not act as a draw to this hugely neglected area, least of all during the day. Even an accociated cultural centre would only draw a couple of tourists during the summer, certainly not Dubliners at any time of the year, again to the detriment of the rejuvination of this area. Aside from the Spire and the repaving, the major issue in the Area Plan is to show there is life beyond Henry Street, and nothing but a retail, restaurant and service providing development is going to do this.
Here’s the ill-fated, well designed proposed facade, mentioned before, and contrasted with the current site.
A mall would draw people in, all right – during the day. O’Connell Street would become just another ‘high street’ (hate the term, but with all these UK multiples, what else do you call them?). And like Talbot/Mary Street would be deserted at night, apart from the odd tourist coming up to admire the Spike and probably getting knifed in the process.
O’Connell Street needs mixed uses that would give it life right into the night.Does anyone know when the row over the Carlton will be resolved? I just read that piece about the Abbey possibly moving there. I would be in favour of that move.
“A mall would draw people in, all right” Malls by themselves do not draw people anywhere. It is what they contain or rather it is what is at the end of the mall. The greater regional impact of a redeveloped ILAC and its resulting linkage to Henry Street, pushing activity towards a higher density Parnell Street is what potentially this area is about. O’Connell Street is merely the facade to this, and other things such as the Abbey. If the Abbey moves to the Carlton Site the street could echo to the resounding noise of a modern cultural hub with the Gate and Savoy providing the other anchors. Therefore O’Connell Street would in truth be the Mall.
February 12 is when that Carlton cinema CPO comes into court. If DCC lose, I imagine they’ll head to the Supreme COurt. If they win, I can’t imagine Carlton taking the same trip. They’ll just pocket the market value of the property, surely.
Dublin City Councillors are tonight considering whether to debate a section 183 motion regarding the Carlton cinema site.
From yesterday’s Sunday Business Post:By Neil Callanan
The Save No 16 Moore Street campaigners have asked the members of Dublin City Council to suspend standing orders at tomorrow night’s council meeting in order to debate the agreement drawn up between council management and developer Joe O’Reilly regarding the Millennium Mall site on O’Connell Street.
Dublin City Council has a legal agreement with O’Reilly that it will not implement the compulsory purchase order (CPO) on the Millennium Mall site if he purchases all of it and develops it in line with the O’Connell Street integrated area plan. If the proposal is allowed to be debated, councillors will use Section 183 of the Local Government Act 2001, which deals with any proposed disposal of land by a local authority, to debate the agreement.
The campaigners have already sent notices to councillors to comply with the legislative requirement that at the first meeting held “10 days after the day on which such notices are sent or delivered, the local authority may resolve that the disposal shall not be carried out or that it shall be carried out in accordance with terms specified in the resolution”.
The legislation states that if the council decides that land should not be sold then “the disposal shall not be carried out”.
The campaigners want the local authority to comply with its original plan to advertise the site for sale on the basis of an open tender. They also want 16 Moore Street to be turned into a museum. Architect Paul Clinton, who owns much of the site and is currently challenging the CPO, has drawn up plans that would see the existing building converted and the houses on either side providing exhibition and cafe facilities.
The campaigners are upset that O’Reilly’s submission on the future of the building said that commemorating the retreat and surrender of republican leaders could be thought “excessively morbid or ‘martyrological’.”
The campaigners’ move is hugely significant as at a briefing to councillors in May, management told them that the legal agreement with O’Reilly would not have any effect until adopted by the councillors under a 183 motion.
The Save No 16 Moore Street campaigners point out that in the county development plan it is an objective of the council to preserve the property as a commemorative centre marking the events of Easter 1916. They also point out that it is the policy of the council to seek the conversion of the building “into a museum which will be owned, run and administered by Dublin City Council”. The key point in that statement, the campaigners say, is that the building remain in the ownership of the city council rather than be sold on to O’Reilly.
Dublin City Council wants a substantial retail, commercial and residential development built on the Carlton cinema site in accordance with the city’s development plan.
There was talk a few years ago of turning the closed Carlton Cinema on O Connell’s Street into a big shopping centre. Nothing seems to have been done. Is this still going ahead?
Are there any plans for renovating the building? It has the potential to be a really nice building. All it needs is the right renovation, and it could be an architectural highlight of Dublin, in my opinion.What I’d like to see done is, for them to make a new entrance, get rid, of the box, where the marquee was, and put some windows in the upper stories, rather than the boards with terrible looking blue dissolve on it. The big CARLTON letters should be kept.
@Blisterman wrote:
There was talk a few years ago of turning the closed Carlton Cinema on O Connell’s Street into a big shopping centre. Nothing seems to have been done. Is this still going ahead?
Search the site and you’ll find extensive discussion on this including all details
Declaring a building where the 1916 rising leaders may or may not have surrendered is a complete joke; no-one was born there, died there or did anything of any substance at this location. There is no architectural merit to this building and it will ensure a gaping hole in the capital’s main thoroughfare.
Tokenism on a heretofore unseen scale 😡
I completely agree. Preserving this building as a NM is a nonsense. How many other more worthy sites have been sacrificed through the years without such a high profile protest. I think its make future development of this area (sorely needed as it is becoming a total kip) very difficult.
@StephenC wrote:
I think its make future development of this area (sorely needed as it is becoming a total kip) very difficult.
If you see Clinton’s plans for a memorial using the building you’ll see it’s very easy for it to be integrated into the development.
A fossilised, isolated mid terrace house in a shopping centre would not work well; A capital contribution ring fenced to either St Enda’s, the GPO or even Thom Clarke’s shop would have made sense but this……..
What exactly will we get, a georgian house with edwardian facade and 1970’s aluminium shop front with large wooden shoring to hold it up on either side.
This is not heritage this is a farce
They can move it and put it inside the Bertie Bowl, or under the waterfall in the National Acquatic Centre. Better still on the tarmacadam at Leinster Lawn. Will Leas Cross get status too?
Why hasn’t any body posted hear in so long? Ther are conflicting stories floating around. Some say that the site as well as the vacant site next door will be a new public plaza. Others say that the carlton, the old North Dublin county council, the carlton and the vacant site in between will be a multi story shopping center with exits on moore street. What will happen? Surely it’s not acceptable to have such a large section of the city’s main street be unused
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