PaulC
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Good one Lexington – very funny. I needed a good laugh.
Please explain to me also how Cork is home to Dunnes Stores??????I would love to see Hawkins House knocked down and rebuild the Abbey where the old Theatre Royal used to be along with a new Screen cinema complex. A landmark development of international significance incoprpoating the 2 would be great.
Just imagine that Dublin Council made the announcement tomorrow morning that the Spire is to be taken down and dumped. What would the public reaction be?
I would say there would be uproar from all sections. And I bet there would be a lot more that 50% of Dubs sorry to see it go.I have read in various sources that the cost of the entire Ballymun regeneration project is 2.5billion euros. But who exactly is paying for this, or how is it being paid for????
Can someone possibly give me an update on how things are going with the Patrick Street redevelopment.. I am assuming work is near completion at this stage????
Ohhh resorting to name calling!!!!
Therefore I win the argument. You lose!!!PS I never accused Schumann of being pessimistic…so I think you have AGAIN proved yourself to be the incoherent one! Goodbye!!
I am not going to waste my time responding as you are constantly duck and weave in an attempt to stay in the argument. e.g.
To give credit at election time for something delivered 75 years ago well that is digging for the sake of it.
Where did you get this from??? Who said anything about giving credit at election time? Who am I supposedly giving credit to???
I mentioned it as an example of a visionary project by visionary men at the time, and which was/is a major contribution to the built environment in Ireland.
[If you are under the illusion that I am a Fianna Fail supporter you are totally mistaken]You beyond clarifying that two Limerick Stadia don’t have a roof, have added nothing except cliche and insult
You bring it on yourself!!
Your points dont make any sense. That is why a lot of people have these ridiculous debates with you.
This thread is actually about the politics behind the built environment, or more to the point who do you trust with it.
MODERATOR Is this correct? Has this website such a narrow focus? Some how I doubt it.
It certainly has nothing to do with stadiums at edge city that weren’t built.
Why can we not discuss that topic????? You are serious waffling here – STOP DIGGING.
You are right that UL is not a stadium but Thomond Park and The Gaelic grounds are, as is Croke Park, as is Landsdowne Rd.
Sports Campus Ireland was more than just a stadium. It included other sports facilities which we do not have e.g. indoor arena of any decent size. And the Gaelic Grounds and Thomond Park are hardly world class stadiums (btw I am from Limerick).
You have listed Government Buildings, the view from Merrion St is damaged by the Dept of Agriculture building on Kildare St.
What has that to do with the refurbishment of government buildings????
Ardnacrusha opened in the 1920’s
What is your point here????
Including Ardnacrusha is as relevant to this discussion as any other point.The M50 at Carrickmines Castle is exactly what this question is about, would another minister sign off on a scheme to destroy a medievel castle when other credible routes existed?
I am sure Ireland isnt the only country that faces problems like these. The road will be built one way or the other. Projects of all sizes encounter problems – most of which you can preempt, but the rest you deal with – this will be dealt with.
So all in all none of your points actually make any sense. You started by getting into a tizz over Charles H v Garrett and you havent made sense since. Go back to the original question that Paul set and try to add something constructive to it rather than raving.
So the country is shit and we should all emigrate!!!
The glass is definitely half empty in your house Diaspora.Diaspora this is a website for coherent architectural comment, I think you would be better off logging on to http://www.in-need-of-gripe-water.com.
UL is a training facility NOT a sports campus for hosting events.Diaspora, yes Charles Haughey was a crook etc etc But we are talking here about contributions to the built environment. You cannot deny that Charles Haughey was responsible for the few projects I listed.
Also Abbottstown was more than just a stadium, it was an entire campus of sports facilities, which the country would have for a long time and would have been something we could have been really proud of. I dont wish to reopen this debate again, but Schumann if your mediocre politicians were running the country since its foundation then we would not have…
Ardnacrusha, IFSC, TempleBar, Government Buildings, Museum at Collins Barracks, or even new motorways (as your guys would probably have just widened existing roads) etc etcAlso I believe Garrett should also be credited with the DART. A pity successive governments since didnt extend it down the Maynooth line and the Kildare line.
I think you are missing the point Paul.
Rotterdam is a transhippment port and this is what is proposed for the Shannon also. This means the biggest bulk carriers cross the Atlantic and arrive at Shannon or where ever. The contents are off loaded and put into smaller units e.g. containers. These then are shipped or transported elsewhere.
I would not imagine that much of Rotterdams cargo would be going by train anyway. The most of it is going by smaller container ships to ports allover Europe.I always felt that the Shannon Estuary is a major resource that we are not using to our full advantage. I would love to see the region becoming a major gateway for Europe. This development could be as significant as the IFSC when it started in the late 80s.
I suppose nobody has any idea how much this could be worth to the Irish economy if it grew to the size of Rotterdam.Well credit has to be given to Charles Haughey for…
1. IFSC
2. Temple Bar
3. Government Buildings
Credit should also go to Garrett Fitzgerald for the Urban Renewal programme he introduced in the 1980s, which was very successful.
It is a pity Abbottstown didnt go ahead – that would have been a major plus for the country and a tribute to Bertie. Of course this was stopped by the shortsightedness of 2nd rate politicians, who dont know the meaning of the word VISION.Will the big Ballroom sign be left there?
I hope not.
It is not very attractive and will have nothing to do with the new expanded gallery.
Which at this stage has to be regarded as one of the most significant galleries in Europe.“Dublin City Council is delighted to announce that it has recently voted in favour of the Gallery’s extension programme. Designed by architects Gilroy McMahon, the Gallery’s extension, on the site of the former National Ballroom, will be one of Dublin City’s most exciting and important cultural undertakings in recent years. As well as increased exhibition space and enhanced visitor facilities, the new extension will house in a specially dedicated room, the recent bequest to the city of nine paintings by the internationally renowned artist Sean Scully. This dedicated Sean Scully room is the only one of its kind in Europe. (Kimball Art Museum, Fort Worth, Texas, is the only other Gallery to have a dedicated room to Sean Scully.”
From the Hugh Lane website
