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  • #722358
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for that Paul

    #722359
    blue
    Participant

    Can we not get anything right/on budget/on time?……..

    From the Sunday Times (Needs Registration)

    ‘Rusty’ Spire clean-up will cost €30,000
    Daniel McConnell and Jan Battles

    THIS time it is not a joke. The €4.8m Spire on O’Connell Street in Dublin will have to undergo an elaborate cleaning operation costing up to €30,000 to remove rust-like ribbons on its surface.

    Dublin city council officials admitted this weekend that the monument, which was supposed to be self-cleaning, will have to be washed by special machines — possibly as often as every 18 months.

    On April Fools’ Day, the Gerry Ryan radio show ran a mock item claiming that the expensive steel structure had rusted and would require significant funding to repair. RTE later admitted the feature was a spoof, but this time it appears the Spire’s problems are real. Reddish-brown streaks have appeared on the monument but its designer and engineers say it is dirt and not rust.

    The first stage of the clean-up will take place in the autumn and will take three days to complete. A special crane will be brought in to allow the full height to be washed.

    The Spire, which is the centre point of O’Connell Street, is seven times the height of the General Post Office beside it.

    Michael O’Neill, the Dublin city engineer, said: “A complete clean will need to be done once every 18 months to two years, meaning one will take place sometime later this year.

    “We have estimated the cost of the Spire’s clean-up to be in the region of €25,000 to €30,000, as we will need to bring in a specialised crane to reach its summit.”

    When the 120m (390ft) structure was erected in January last year, the council and Ian Ritchie, the architect who designed it, said the stainless steel needle would be self-cleaning. All that would have to be done to maintain its appearance would be to clean the first 10ft to get rid of graffiti.

    Stringent testing of the material was conducted prior to its erection to ensure that it could withstand the elements.

    Ritchie said a small failure by a contractor to smooth out a number of the surfaces toward the top of the structure has caused dirt to gather. He said people could mistake this for rust. “Any talk of the structure rusting is complete rubbish. The material went through a number of weather-conditioning tests and it passed with flying colours.”

    However, O’Neill rejected Ritchie’s explanation. “The contractors did a fantastic job. Each section lines up perfectly and we frankly couldn’t have asked for better.”

    Dublin city officials said the stainless steel structure, which was treated with a special coating to withstand Ireland’s weather, would not need a major refurbishment for some time.

    After being billed as a blade of light for the new millennium, the Spire’s weather-beaten appearance is in danger of perpetuating Dublin’s dirty image. Another infamous art project in the capital, nicknamed “the time in the slime”, had to be abandoned. This was a digital clock submerged in the River Liffey that was to count down to the year 2000, but couldn’t be seen through the grimy water.

    The Spire, which cost €4.8m, was the winning entry in the 1998 competition to replace Nelson’s Pillar, which the IRA blew up in 1966.

    The controversial design went through a number of legal battles before getting the green light and has since been the subject of much public debate about its merits.

    #722360
    -Donnacha-
    Participant

    Hardly surprising, but this can’t be allowed to be a permanent drain on the city’s budget. Someone is to blame for this – either Ian Ritchie or the contractors. DCC should pursue this legally and let whoever is responsible either fix it or foot the cleaning bills.

    #722361
    blue
    Participant

    I totally agreed, it doesn’t do what it says on the tin, DCC quite rightly should get their money back.

    I wonder could some sort of mechanical device be developed that would grip the outside of the spire and run up and down it to clean it or even bring in some abseilers. Bringing in a huge crane every 18 months just seems excessive.

    #722362
    Morlan
    Participant

    It should have been made of copper which would turn green over time. No need for cleaning.

    #722363
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Copper is a very pricey metal though…

    #722364
    Morlan
    Participant

    Originally posted by d_d_dallas
    Copper is a very pricey metal though…

    So is €1666.66 a month – which is what it’s gonna cost to keep mr spire clean.

    #722365
    Plug
    Participant

    Should’ve got Gormley in to do something. At least his stuff is supposed to go rusty!

    #722366
    chewy
    Participant

    so is it rusting or not?

    to a layman how was it supposed to clean itself?

    #722367
    asdasd
    Participant

    Stainless steel doesn’t rust unless the outer layer is damaged. The Spire looks fine to me, better than when the bottom part was removed from it’s packaging and seemed to show the discoloring from the dirt of dublin on the rest of the structure.

    Now it looks nice and clean, maybe becuase there is less activity around it, less traffic on the street, and less construction. And it rained. which is what they said would happen – the accululated soot and dirt would be removed by rain.

    The “rust” on the top ( which is clearly not rust, the article uses scare quotes to emphasise the fact even though they felt the need to add rust to the headline) is no big deal. Why bother cleaning it, why is this ‘rust” a problem, and why does anybody on this forum think it needs to be cleaned?

    The article says
    “After being billed as a blade of light for the new millennium, the Spire’s weather-beaten appearance is in danger of perpetuating Dublin’s dirty image.”

    Weather-beaten? Do they know the meaning of the word. I dont think this money needs to be spent, at least not for another few years. Look at the photos of th spire on the thread about O’Connell street, it looks fine to me.

    #722368
    Plug
    Participant

    I think it was a bit naive of someone to assume it was going to rain on a regular basis
    😉

    #722369
    GrahamH
    Participant

    The article doesn’t actually say it’s rust, but there’s no doubt it needs cleaning.
    I wasn’t on the street for about 4 weeks till recently and was astonished at how dirty it is, it is truly filthy when seen from Talbot St and other distant places, indeed the top third practically gleams in contrast with the lower reaches – the summer sun does it no favours when dirty.

    #722370
    shaun
    Participant

    Help me here guys, bitter dispute with my brother-in-law over this, the question is…………..are those random marks on the lower section of the spike intentional or is the thing damaged ??

    #722371
    niall murphy
    Participant

    yes its intentional. its been like that since it was unveiled

    #722372
    shaun
    Participant

    Thanks for that, they are indeed an interesting addition to the finished article.

    #722373
    GrahamH
    Participant

    The Great Debate – is the Spike’s base intentional.
    Still yet to come across someone who likes it.

    But just on the public opinion issue, late last year on RTE’s ‘Best and Worst’ aspects of 2003 programme, where 5000 householders were interviewed, the divide on the Spike was literally 50-50, it was voted the 10th worst thing about 2003 and the 10th best!
    I’m surprised more people weren’t in favour of it, certainly my experience of it would be at least 70-80% in favour of it. Perhaps that’s just Dublin though, support probably falls through the floor outside Dublin/Leinster – what’s the difference…

    #722374
    PaulC
    Participant

    Just imagine that Dublin Council made the announcement tomorrow morning that the Spire is to be taken down and dumped. What would the public reaction be?
    I would say there would be uproar from all sections. And I bet there would be a lot more that 50% of Dubs sorry to see it go.

    #722375
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I agree Paul & Graham it is an irreplaceable icon,

    We all acknowledge its flaws but look at it as a symbol as what we hope will lead to better contemporary design. It has if nothing else given Irelands best shopping centre a sculpture.

    #722376
    Sue
    Participant

    Who cares what the plebs think anyway? What do they know? The usual response of Dublin howiyas to a work of this scale is to moan about the cost, complain that it should all have been spent on hospitals instead, and criticise it as the personal work of a politician they don’t like e.g. why is Bertie sticking up this pole in O’Connell Street.
    The Spike is wonderful, O’Connell Street is getting there, the city is visibly improving

    #722377
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I see that the chimneys at poolbeg have new flashy lights, very bright, kind of takes attention away from the spire from vantage point on the outskirts of the city …

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