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@ToMuchFreeTime wrote:
I find it intresting the break down of population in the cork city area. in that it was the only urban area in the country to record a population decrease in last census.
Now there was an article in the examiner yesterday that stated the main reason for this was lack of development land within the city boundarys (which i agree with other than docks). they went on to say that the city fathers are looking to extending the boundary into county council areas ( which i think is long over due as services would be easyer to plan)
But the article says that some councilers are saying not an ince:mad: 😡
Now my questions are these:confused:
1. do you think that the county council will give in and surender loads of land around the city and end up losing loads in commercial rates
2. Where do you think city fathers are looking to have the boundary lines drawn. such are they looking for huge amounts of land(Like waterford which is looking for land a few times bigger than the whole city) or just to include the established suburbs back into the city boundary??
3.What do you think the population would be once the boundarys are re-drawn.
4.:) PLUS does any one want to try and guess what the population of county and population of city will be once the latest cso figures are released. I’M guessing theres going to be huge increase due the huge amount of eastern europeans in the county/city
Cork Corpo has been trying to expand city boundaries for at least a decade. Hasn’t happened so far and unlikely to happen, see Douglas traffic problems thread. I think the population will be up in the county, static in the city because of apartments in recent years. I think people overestimate the number of Eastern Europeans in cork. I think it’s just because a lot work in service industries they’re very visible.
@phil wrote:
Thanks Stephen. I had heard of general plans for the area, but I was just suprised at how little attention it was given in the press.
Think it was in one of the papers last week. Once one paper covers it that’s basically that. Nobody else will (or at least shouldn’t) cover it afterwards unless they have a new angle.
@jungle wrote:
The city boundary is the Tramore River, which flows through Douglas. This means that parts of Douglas are in the Cork City, while the bulk of Douglas is in Cork County.
.This is one of the reasons the place is in chaos. if memory serves there’s been rows between the two authorities about it for years
@Graham Hickey wrote:
By contrast, the College Green topper-offer, red brick aside, is clearly distinct and complements its context rather than dominates.
This apartment appears to be on sale at the moment through Lisney. It’s bigger than I expected.
http://www.lisney.com/subnav.aspx?tabid=1&tabindex=1&inc=resProperty&ID=3253@StephenC wrote:
This finally got permission from ABP (see SBP story). I cant help wondering if I have missed something….”exceptional design”? Are we talking about the same monstrosity above?
Nope that’s a different hotel, bit further down the quays.
Again if money keeps rolling in why not. ‘m more interested in seeing Cherrywood, the Northern Fringe and Adamstown – their sheer scale is nuts. 10,000 new houses plus a million square feet of retail in Cherrywood, more than 10,000 units in Adamstown, noot sure of figures for Northern Fringe – think it’s 10,000 too. Essentially three new towns in Dublin. Will the transport system cope, will they actually be communities?
@The Denouncer wrote:
A lot happening..a city of change.
A lot of propsals, a lot of prospects.. some stuff in progress, some far from commencement..
And its quite frustrating! Dublin is a work in progress at this time..I want to see the finished article..so lets focus on 2016.Would you say the following will be 100% complete in 10 years time?
Samuel Beckett Bridge
Grand Canal Square
U2 Tower
Lansdowne Road
The Point Village
Spencer Dock Convention centre
Spencer Dock Train Station
Metro
Other Transport Iniatives – Luas extensions, Dart extensions etc.
Arnotts improvements
Parnell Square renovations@Rusty Cogs wrote:
Although the developers (name escapes me) have been landbanking this area for the past 20 years they have since sublet out part of the site to Heiton Buckley and some 2nd hand car sales firm. It was my understanding that they were progressing well with their planning applications (much to the frustration of our local nimby residents association). ie. if the thing has been stopped on planning grounds I probably would of heard about it.
As far as I can surmise, they are simply not in a position to begin construction for whatever reason. The subletting of the land would indicate that they won’t be starting any time soon either.
Chris Bennett of Bennett Construction is main man here so finance etc wouldn’t be a problem. More probably they are waiting to get a good office letting before commencing work on that part of the site. And ressie prices are going up and up so they’re in no rush there either. Could be they’re planning a few revisions though.
hutton wrote:Spot on. Fully agree – but is it just me or has anyone else noticed a wind-tunnel effect:confused: ? That said, it is one of the best developments in the city in recent years, and makes for a remarkable contrast with the othher new courtyard that links Wallaces to Abbey St]
I think it’s a great example of what somebody with a vision can do versus somebody who wants to make money fast. Wallace came up with a concept, his retail units almost all fit in with it and there’s a clear sense of the street being there for a purpose, rather than a tack on to an apartment/office complex. Compare that with the other street that links Wallace’s to Abbey Street (Liam Carroll if I’m not mistaking) where it’s all about getting the highest rent possible from third parties and the street gets let down. I wouldn’t think of going there to eat etc, whereas I like Enotecca and Bar Italia a lot and go there quite a bit.ewankennedy wrote:Did you find out anymore about O’Flynns seeking to buy the Anglesea street Garda station land to the rear on Eglinton street or is it all a bit of urban fluff??Quote:his people are denying it@lexington wrote:
He hopes the 32-storey tower will entail a great number of 4,000sq ft apartments guiding near the 1m euro mark.
The smallest apartment will be at least e1.25 million, an apartment of that size will be 10 million plus
He’s changed his mind a bit. I still think he’s planning to do the 500 apartments but now he wants a hotel, pubs, restaurants and some offices on the site. i suspect his plan was to have the hotel taking up the first 10-15 storeys of the 32 storey tower he had planned (and he was planning that) with apartments overhead. Views would be amazing from up there.
@ewankennedy wrote:
And I read today that the Oyster bar is for sale again after a deal fell through with Joe O’Donovan. I cant wait to see the design for the shopping centre he has planned. If Academy street is going for larger units it leaves plenty of room for this plan to take in more medium sized retail spaces and maybe a department store like House of Fraser or Arnotts or something.
I could stand corrected here but a good source told me he doesn’t own very many of the properties he wants to include yet. Now that the plans are known it will have driven up the prices so remains to be seem what he can buy. Academy Street decision will be delayed by two months I’m told – Further info required.
Graham Hickey wrote:]
But yes, as a development I too look forward to the finished Dunnes product. It’s been a long time coming when you consider George’s Street, the revamped St. Stephen’s Green Centre ‘Foodhall’, and even flippin North Earl Street! And all the while the chain’s once-flagship store was festering away in the Ilac. It’s going to be the icing on the cake for a now-thriving retail area]I think the Henry Street store will have a significant homewares element and it’s interesting that they’ve recently put in an application for a licenced restaurant as part of the store. I suspect the other Dunnes (the one closest to H&M) will be grocery and the new building from Henry Street to Ilac Centre will be drapery, homewares and the restaurant. They’ve done something similar in Ballincollig town centre in Cork.
In addition, Some of the units at the Moore Mall end of the store (on the opposite side to the Dunnes) will also be converted into double height retail units. Gonna require the buying in of a few leases though.
@lostexpectation wrote:
does Soho says family to you?
It says Village Quarter to me, that area around Harcourt Street etc that was launched with grand fanfare and never stuck. Its Still a great area – particularly the Camden Street and Wexford St part – but just never took off as a Quarter as such. I wonder what the private investment in SoHo is made up of, sounds to me like it’s just apartment and office developments
Last time I was home the scaffolding was still up. That is absolutely horrific. As bad as the O’Flynn buildings opposite. They should have been made use glass at least to the side elevation. Anybody hear of the rumour of the Garda taking office space in O’Flynn’s Eglington St and him buying the Anglesea Street site?
@publicrealm wrote:
I read somewhere that Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown is about to commission its own highrise study – which seems strange – soon we may have studies for every townland, without regard to the visual impact on adjoining ones?.
Dun Laoghaire is commissioning that study because it was granting high rise and high density apartments in Sandyford (excess 120 apartments per acre from what I understand) and ABP started rejecting all of them.
By the way, fingal is unveiling its draft airport development masterplan on Wednesday. I’ll be at the briefing so will post main points here afterwards though I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re in the Times on Wednesday morning
“This masterplan has been prepared by Fingal County Council, in the context of the Fingal Development Plan 2005-2008. The lands which are subject to the proposed Masterplan comprise a total of 1084 hectares and are zoned DA (Designated Airport Area) in the current Development Plan with the objective “To ensure the efficient and effective operation of the airport in accordance with an Approved Airport Action Plan”
The final approved Masterplan for Dublin Airport will be the statutory Local Area Plan (LAP) for Dublin Airport under the Planning and Development Act 2000.”
They don’t own the site though at this stage, it’s owned by the DAA and leased to Aer Lingus on a long term lease
Very true. Eircom has made a fortune from its land holdings and I doubt they were viewed as being that important at the flotation stage. The project should be either sold off or a joint venture agreement should be signed before the company is privatised. The income would be strong, particularly from the retailers, and the investment value would be significant if it was later sold off.
