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@BTH wrote:
An awful lot will depend on the mix of retailers. If they get the balance right it has the potential to be a whole new shopping hub for the city, eventually connecting across to the new Markets area. If they can’t attract at least one or two destination retailers (im thinking Borders Books, Virgin Megastore, NikeTown, etc) then i’d see them having huge difficulty in making it a viable and vibrant place to travel to to from the city core to shop.
From an interview I did with Simon Kelly (one of the developers of Smithfield Market):
“We see Fresh as the catalyst for the whole Smithfield estate, where you go because there’s good stores on offer and it’s different to other areas. There’ll be a Thomas Reads pub, a Starbucks, a few health shops and an O’Brien’s sandwich bar there too. We want to bring something a bit different,†he said.“That’s why we control all of the retail we developed in Smithfield.
“Over the investment cycle it will pay you, if you take in some of the people who aren’t as strong but who bring customers. If you just go for the highest rent and the most boring brands, there will be nothing in the end.â€
Re: The side of Smithfield opposite Smithfield Markets, there is planning application in (not sure if it’s been approved or not) to significantly increase the scale on that side of the street – particularly at Chief O’Neills which frankly is a hole.
It was the former Rowntrees factory hence the name. John Lally is currently developing the site. a lot of the Apartments have been sold there already, not sure of completion date.
About time Trinity did something for Pearse Street. It killed it for years by buying up buildings along the street for the college which meant that the entrances to the street were no longer used.
Lots of info here: http://www.brl.ie/
I’m not an architect but I think three main reasons. The heroin epidemic of the 1980s is the main one, a lack of suitable facilities for people in the area and just poor design: large open green spaces seemed like a good idea at the time, instead dense housing settlement should have taken place all around smaller green spaces as this has been found to discourage anti-social behaviour. A knock on problem from the failure of the old ballymun is it gave high rise a bad name in Dublin and that is a legacy the city continues to live with.
Off the top of my head I think there is an example of residential over hotel over retail in the Chocolate Factory scheme in Kilmainham which is currently under construction. Not quite what you were looking for but hopefully that’s of some use
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Heard on the radio this morning that due to all of those notorious tax breaks, a whopping 45 hotels are due to open in Ireland this year, generating no less than 5000 beds.
Are they some sort of new-fangled disposable hotel that can demolished after the Ryder Cup?!
Old story. Was being talked about last year when the tax allowances deadline closed. Most of the hotels will work well but some are being built solely for the tax incentives and without any business plan to support them. That said most of those ones are being built in small towns, not in the GDA.
@Morlan wrote:
It will just mean that there will be less demand for hotels closer to the city centre!
you’ve got to remember that the three Jurys hotels in Ballsbrige are going and the Montrose is going as well. A number of other hotels will also be bought by developers for alternative use values
@gra_k wrote:
Im a Forth year student in an Interior Architecture course in Dublin. For my final project I have decided to use the Gingerbread House on Paul Street Cork (hope people know it!!!). I have decided to change its use into maybe a bar with restaurant on Ground floor, and an area for Gigs and stand up comedians. Maybe incorporating retail or late nite coffee area??? for those who may not wish to drink!!!!
Conept would be influenced by the culture and the music, since it is located at Rory Gallagher Place. I would also aim for the older crowd, over 23’s as I find there are not many bars to go to that are not dominated by first years and 18 year olds!!!! (could i be wrong????) I need feed back on my ideas…. those of you in Cork!!!! would really appreciate this! Would help me a lot and become more confident in my design!
thanks 🙂
They used to run late night dance music things for a while with no alcohol being served. Ended last year I think. I can’t see a jazz bar working in Cork. If you can’t find an over 23s pub in Cork it’s cos you’re not looking!! Most pubs on Oliver Plunkett St cater for 23 plus crowd as do all pubs on Parnell Sq and most on MacCurtain St. Like the gigs and comedy part of your plan – Coburg St is a bit out of the way so could work. I’d look at Jay Bourke and Eoin Feely’s pubs (The Bodega in Cork and the Globe and Market Bar in Dublin in particular) for tips, because they cater well for that crowd and I think it would appeal to Cork crowd. If you’re looking for a restaurant idea, look at Mackeral in Bewleys in Dublin (again it’s Jay and Eoin). Small place, extremely busy. Nowhere I can think of in Cork city that does fish.
@shiowhui wrote:
i am working on Iveagh Market down at francis street, dublin 8 for my ineterior architecture final year project.
i am turning it into different use.
due to its huge space, historical background and location, what would you like to turn it into? a new develpoed market? an apartment? commercial building or what?any help would be very much appreciated.:o
Plan is to build a hotel and a crafts market there. Maybe work off that?
@Pepsi wrote:
It’s just hard to see these high rise projects really happening when so many of them have been rejected in the past.
They have planning already, therefore they will be built. There are some talks going on about the U2 tower. The below may be of interest:
DDDA accused of arrogance
Sunday, November 13, 2005 – By Neil Callanan
The Dublin Docklands Development Authority (DDDA) has been accused of being “breathtaking in its arrogance” by assuming that its plans for the U2 tower in the docklands should take precedence over a higher tower planned by developer Liam Carroll, which already has planning permission.North Wall Community Association chairman Gerry Fay has written to the DDDA stating that it is “patently obvious that the DDDA completely underestimated the scale of development required at this location in 2000, when the original plans were drawn up’‘.
“The vision and initiative shown by Zoe [Developments] in fighting for and getting planning permission for a 100 metre tower has caused the DDDA to belatedly react,†he wrote.
“The DDDA were caught ball watching – rolled and mugged, once again they are now playing catch up.â€
The director of architecture at the DDDA has proposed two options that would allow a joint development between the DDDA and Carroll on the site, which was owned by Dunloe Ewart prior to Carroll’s takeover and delisting of the company.
Fay has submitted that both towers should instead be built and the money saved could “go towards the building of proper family orientated sustainable social housing on Spencer Dock’‘.
Minutes from a Dockland Council meeting in July 2005 show that the authority is in active negotiations with Carroll to seek a joint development of his property and the DDDA’s Britain Quay property “which will provide that there will be only the U2 Tower and in addition that the Dunloe Ewart property will be developed only in accordance with the planning scheme’‘.
In a separate letter to the DDDA, Fay has asked whether two towers will be built on Britain Quay or whether a joint development will be carried out.
He has also asked for the details of any agreement reached between the DDDA and Carroll including the price paid and the terms and conditions
Airport hotels are amongst the most profitable in the portfolio of most operators hence the constant appetite for them near Dublin airport. I expect the Clarion to eventually redevelop the old Forte hotel near the Great Southern, if the Aer Lingus head office redevelopment ever goes ahead there will be a number of hotels in it and there is at least one other site near the airport that sold recently that may include a hotel.
@Pepsi wrote:
They seem to be playing around with the height of the U2 Tower. As for Heuston Gate, I heard that it is currently under appeal and that is after it getting planning permission. Planning permission was given several months ago.
Full planning has been granted after an appeal to ABP. I presume the appeal relates to the first of a series of proposed changes to the scheme – I’d expect Rhatigan and Goodbody to got for change of use on a lot of the office blocks to ressie use. And Liam Carroll has planning for a 32 storey tower next to the U2 tower.
@Thomond Park wrote:
I agree that DCC have finally realised just how much of the rates base has been usurped by projects such as Liffey Valley, Blanchardstown and more laterly Dundrum. However as both the Topshop and Habitat lettings have proven large International retailsers do not look at ‘Shopping Malls’ exclusively but will also consider large floorplates in attractive period buildings / smaller infill developments.
ABP do not have any remit to regard the rates base of a particular local authority even one as corruption free as DCC.
True, but if the council wants to encourage high density retail development in the Grafton Street to Henry Street area as part of its retail strategy I would think that ABP have to take that on board. How many times do you see out of town retail schemes refused planning because they would affect the town or city centre. The reverse of that in Dublin should be that the city centre’s requirement for substantial additional floorspace to compete with out of town centres should be considered by ABP when adjudicating on schemes. There are very few suitable sites for high density retail in that area – South King Street was one, the RSA building another – given the number of comparatively small properties around there and the fact that a number of them are probably listed. From what I’m told the school of music on Chatham St is also likely to be sold this year by the way and that’s also likely to be turned into a retail scheme.
Well the DDDA can’t make up its mind. The museum plan for part of it was dropped and from what I understand Harvey Nicks wanted to set up there but DDDA wouldn’t give them the whole thing so they went to Dundrum instead. Then Hugh O’Regan came in and obviously has since backed out. Stack A was supposed to draw people to the docklands area and make it more vibrant at the weekends. I don’t see how the current plan for arts and crafts type stores will do that. That’s destination retail.
