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@publicrealm wrote:
Has any building heights study been commissioned for Cork – like has been done for Dublin?
If not then it might be a useful proposal and could take the ‘members’ out of the mix?
As far as i’m aware, locations along the “Straight” Road, The Docklands and the city approach through Blackpool have been identified as locations where highrise buildings are suitable- according to the latest Development Plan.
But the question arises — what is a highrise building??
CSD supporters would propose to ban all “highrises” over three storey. Now, I don’t know many people who would catagorise a four storey building as highrise!! Utterly ridiculous!!@Radioactiveman wrote:
But the question arises — what is a highrise building??
CSD supporters would propose to ban all “highrises” over three storey. Now, I don’t know many people who would catagorise a four storey building as highrise!! Utterly ridiculous!!As far as I can recall the 1999 DEGW study of Dublin suggests that ‘highrise’ is anything in excess of 50m – which probably equates with about 17 storeys?
I read somewhere that Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown is about to commission its own highrise study – which seems strange – soon we may have studies for every townland, without regard to the visual impact on adjoining ones?
In any event i would have thought that Cork was a prime example of where such a study is required.
@publicrealm wrote:
I read somewhere that Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown is about to commission its own highrise study – which seems strange – soon we may have studies for every townland, without regard to the visual impact on adjoining ones?.
Dun Laoghaire is commissioning that study because it was granting high rise and high density apartments in Sandyford (excess 120 apartments per acre from what I understand) and ABP started rejecting all of them.
In fairness tall buildings in Cork other than the northside would have much medium distance lower visibilty than the foothills of the Dublin mountains;
A study could do no harm as all parties to the process could make submissions in respect of their concerns for example the existing historical core and it least then everyone would know where they stand.
ABP have refused permission to Dr. Martin Moloney to redevelop St.Albert’s Nursing Home on Blair’s Hill (also known as Blair’s Castle and a protected building). The development sought was to demolish a rear extension and to construst a total of 26 apartments within the historical building and a new rear extension.
The ABP report deemed taht the redevelopment proposed would not be appropriate for such a building and that significant overshadowing of neighbouring properties would also be an issue.
Precinct developments ltd. have appealled CCC’s decision on their proposals for the partial demolition of the Metropole Hotel on MacCurtain Street and the construction of a mixed use development comprising a Hotel, retail elements and 61 apartments.
CCC granted permission for the redevelopment but with conditions which limited the height of a proposed tower to 32metre and made a number of changes to the finishing.@Radioactiveman wrote:
As far as i’m aware, locations along the “Straight” Road, The Docklands and the city approach through Blackpool have been identified as locations where highrise buildings are suitable- according to the latest Development Plan.
But the question arises — what is a highrise building??
CSD supporters would propose to ban all “highrises” over three storey. Now, I don’t know many people who would catagorise a four storey building as highrise!! Utterly ridiculous!!By definition highrise means at least 12 floors, a 4-storey building is still a house.
The problem I think is that CCC are letting too much crap go through which strengthens the “anti-highrise” people’s arguments. What I’m talking about is stuff like the new metropole hotel extension which is almost worse than what’s already there. Aswell after looking more closely at the crows nest development it does seem really average. Most people already hate the millions of student apartments going up near victoria cross and I realise now this is an important oppertunity that might convince people otherwise. A building with more of a landmark edge to it would be great, not necessarily tall but something with a fresh design.By the way I’ll take back what I said about the Alberts Quay Webworks building since I just passed it the other day and the side facing the city hall is quite good. The only thing that really bothers me is that grey wall on the east facing side. If they just put in more windows it would have been fine.
Malec, I think it should be pointed out that the east elevation of the Webworks is a party wall, and as such cannot have any windows. The sites to the east of the building will all be redeveloped in the coming years, so the blank wall will no longer be visible.
Attached is a photo from Lapps Quay, showing the Webworks in context with the adjacent classical buildings.
wow big picture!!!
Webworks and UCC pharmacy, along with UCC bioscievces institute all remind me of the utter horror that is most of Waterford Institute of Technology’s Cork Road campus. has the look of something that was built from a box, with cheap plastic material.
Last time I was home the scaffolding was still up. That is absolutely horrific. As bad as the O’Flynn buildings opposite. They should have been made use glass at least to the side elevation. Anybody hear of the rumour of the Garda taking office space in O’Flynn’s Eglington St and him buying the Anglesea Street site?
๐ฎ Further to the high rise cap (crap) motion proposed by Cllr.D. McCarthy and passed by councilors last year, the CCC meeting next Monday evening is set to have the Manager asked when he proposes to implement this vote. (Cllr. David McCarthy)
To add to this madness Cllr. M.Shields is calling for a vote for a รขโฌลMaterial Contravention to the City development Plan to effect that all Planning applications for apartments over 3 storeys to be refused planning permissionรขโฌย (Motion 06/180)
Cllrรขโฌโขs. Buttimer & Bermingham have put a motion before CCC for next Monday to alter the City Development Plan to include the wording of the City Manager as stated at the CCC meeting of 27/3/06 re รขโฌลthe building of apartments over 3 floors within residential areas not receive planning from CCC plannersรขโฌย.
Cllr.รขโฌยMerryรขโฌย Buttimer is asking if Mr.Mark Kelleher is going to be penalized for not complying with planning conditions. (Catherham, Wilton)
๐ On a positive note Cllr. T. OรขโฌโขDriscoll has a motion to รขโฌลThat CCC calls to develop a light rail system between Ballincollig and the City Centreรขโฌย (06/87)
@paddyinthehouse wrote:
Malec, I think it should be pointed out that the east elevation of the Webworks is a party wall, and as such cannot have any windows. The sites to the east of the building will all be redeveloped in the coming years, so the blank wall will no longer be visible.
Attached is a photo from Lapps Quay, showing the Webworks in context with the adjacent classical buildings.
Oh right, didn’t know that. That photo shows the best angle, the other side looks like crap (not just the wall but the south facing side aswell)
@jdivision wrote:
Last time I was home the scaffolding was still up. That is absolutely horrific. As bad as the O’Flynn buildings opposite. They should have been made use glass at least to the side elevation. Anybody hear of the rumour of the Garda taking office space in O’Flynn’s Eglington St and him buying the Anglesea Street site?
Are you sure its not O’Flynns offering office and car parking in part exchange for the car park site to the rear of Anglesea street Garda station??
:confused: Would somebody be able to cllear this up once and for all, Eoin English reports in todays IE that Cllr.Dave McCarthy stormed out of last nights CCC meeting following a row with the Manager over the amendment of the height cap vote. Cllr. Mary Shields, according to Mr.English then got a motion passed “freezing” all planning in Bishopstown, Wilton, and Dennehys Cross until the bishopstown area plan is in place.
Q: IF one applied for planning now and it was not dealt with by CCC planners because of the Cllr.Shields motion, could one SUE either the Councillor herself or the City Council as a whole?
Surely people can expect to apply for planning allowed under the City Development Plan as it stands?of course people can apply for planning in these areas – the council cannot freeze applications or decisions – if they are not decided within the time periods under the Planning and Development Act the applicant will get a default permission…we are really blessed with the integrity, intelligence and foresight of our councillors in cork – aren’t we?
The appeal decision regarding Werdna’s revised Water Street scheme was scheduled for today, however, no details are yet known – knowing ABP, the results may yet again be offset by a few days. A clearer picture should be known later as I haven’t had the chance to look into fully yet.
– also I will try and have some backdated updates posted later; I’ve been plagued with an unreliable network server and time constraints of late.
ewankennedy – I’m not clear on the details of the Eglinton Street Garda Car Park you mention, it may be worth clarifying whether or not your information is speculative or not for your own sake. It would indeed make an attractive acquisition and deal for both O’Flynn Construction and the Garda Siochana; I’ll look into it.From an urban design perspective, developing the parking area to the rear of Anglesea Street Garda Station is an attractive prospect. It would bring a nice sense of continuation along Eglinton Street and represent a significant gateway approach to the city centre and docklands. I don’t know whether the details you mention are true or not jdivision but if they are true O’Flynn’s would have an opportunity to build on the success of their Lapps Quay office buildings and add a nice complement to their Eglinton Street scheme in the process. The scope for a well-designed office building is excellent at this site – and should help to also mask views of the concrete faced multi storey car park on Eglinton Street also. The Gardai could stand to benefit with being offered a higher-capacity car parking facility at basement level on completion of the scheme which would aid them nicely whilst cashing in on an attractive site sale.
*UPDATES*
๐ Precinct Investments have lodged a First Party Appeal with ABP regarding their redevelopment plans for the Gresham Metropole Hotel along St. Patricks Quay. Their plan, well documented on this thread, call for the demolition of the existing quayside extension & leisure centre and provision of 40 + new hotel bedrooms, conferencing facilities, street retail units and 61 new apartments over approx. 80 basement car-parking spaces. The scheme was designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects and received a grant from CCC subject to material revisions and a rearticulated feature tower, originally proposed at 12-storeys but capped at 32 metres in height. Contention by the developers is understood to regard Development Contribution and associated conditions.
๐ A group understood to include Limerick-based developer Paul O’Brien (Mount Kennett Investments) and David Crowe (of Oyster Developments and Mangerton Construction) have been identified as the successful bidders of the half-acre development site along Camden Quay, formerly that of the Atkins MacKenzie Garden Centre and temporary Circuit Court. The site was sold on behalf of Northgate Trustees (NorthGate Investments – who previously sought plans on the site for a 170-bedroom hotel before its use as a court) through auctioneers Cohalan Downing Associates for an estimated value of €12m – and includes a protected facade structure fronting the quayside which will require delicate retention in any prospective redevelopment.
๐ Alchemy Properties, the development wing of Dairygold, has issued Significant Further Information on its mixed-use “town centre” scheme in Mallow – meanwhile, it is due to lodge an application with CCC to demolish all structures on its now defunct CMP Dairies site along the Kinsale Road. The application will be submitted in advance of a prospective lodgement for a large multiple-use scheme, the details of which are due to commence discussion on. An application for the scheme is expected before the year end.
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