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    • #707960
      lexington
      Participant

      Ladies & Gentlemen,

      in repsonse to recent issues concerning the Look at de state of Cork, like! thread – with the consent of the Archiseek Webmaster – I hope to begin this fresh thread to continue the positive elements of the aforementioned thread.

      The thread has been a very positive effort for all those involved and concerned – and, I would hope that we can build on that.

      However, in this thread, though active discussion and constructive arguments/contributions are most welcome – I would very much like to see that all contributing posts are ‘positive’ in nature. Now, that’s not to say honest criticism cannot be dictated, indeed, it should as part of any proper debate. If CSD are unfair, then so let it be mentioned. If CCC make a critical mistake, let it be known – but that does not mean such critiques should descend to levels of low-blows.

      I would hope, that as well as development – that a continually greater emphasis on architecture should be stressed. After all this is a primarily architectural resource website and this must be highlighted in conjunction with any development discussion.

      A link to the LADSOCL thread is provided at the bottom of this post for purposes of reference (e.g. images, dates, previous information).

      Would this be an acceptable routeway to other contributors?

      It is the reponsibility of thread particpants to monitor their own input – and to highlight any inappropriate contributions by others. We actively encourage all members concerned to particpate in a healthy debate – that includes CSD members, CCC Planning members, Architects, Developers, Engineers and general interested parties.

      Referal link:
      Look at de state of Cork, like!

    • #757514
      pier39
      Participant

      sounds good to me dude!

      we can start fresh! let the party commence!!! huzzah!

    • #757515
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      cool

      any official announcement on eglinton street yet

      anyone got a copy of inside cork and the story on pairc ui caoimh?

    • #757516
      lexington
      Participant

      As par my post at -> https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?p=36510#post36510

      Eglinton Street was granted subject to 25 conditions. A positive day for Cork architecture and progressive development.

    • #757517
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      I don’t see why we had to move from the LATSOC thread but anyway, here goes….

      Saw the article in the Inside Cork this morning. It suggests that discussions might be ongoing with a view to transferring Cork’s GAA headquarters to a site near Blarney and opening up the existing site for redevelopment. Apparently the GAA are stuck for ways of re-developing the existing stadium due to the cramped nature of the site and some subsidence issues on the river side of the stadium. All very sketchy at the moment and of course denied by GAA themselves.

      I for one would be against the movement of Pairc Ui Caoimh. It currently has the best public transport network you can get – i.e. it’s within walking distance of the City Centre. Moving it to a greenfield site at Blarney would be bad for Cork-based GAA supporters and for business in the city as a whole. The space is there to accomodate a new stadium but perhaps those involved would prefer the green field option with a handsome sum of money for the riverside site.

    • #757518
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      Thanks R-man

    • #757519
      trace
      Participant

      How about sticking to ARCHITECTURE and development, for a change, instead of planning and development on this thread? There is a difference, you know.

    • #757520
      satanta99
      Participant

      Planning is an essential part of the development of Cork City. It is not and should not be alien to the architecture and development of the city! These three factors affect the city and make it what it is. i don’t see the point in being smart about the content of the tread in relation to the title. Why do people have such a problem with looking at The City with such a wholistic perspective. This forum and the LADSOC thread offer a true opportunity to exchange information and ideas which I believe leads to a wholistic discussion of Architecture, development and Planning in Cork City.

    • #757521
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      let’s just keep the thread going as it has all along… there is a great momentum and I for one would hate for this to change

    • #757522
      genario
      Participant

      I agree with mickeydocs. This Cork forum is very popular and generally I think is a very positive thing. It helps me and the other peoples in this firm focus on the design standards we must improve and comptetion on. I read the newpapers and read the forums and of only two comments I think of are bad. Overall it is just democracy and opinions no more than of the corksouthwest.com website expresses. Do not be bullied out of a good thing. It is important to be careful of the future when phrasing these things but also we must protect the good names of this website from unfair newspapers articles.

      genario

    • #757523
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      The owners of the Woodford on Paul Street have been refused permision by CCC to link the neighbouring Loco Cafe premises to the Woodford pub (which is a listed building).
      The plans would have extended the Cafe area into the pub and provided extra toilet facilities. However, since no guarantee the plans would not lead to the extension of the pub, the plans were refused because they may have led to the creation of a “superpub”.


    • #757524
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      In all that rucus about the other ‘issue’ – we forgot the really good news……..

      …Eglinton street is after getting the go ahead! A really decent architectural statement is set to be made and should act as a novel gateway into the revived docklands and city. Well done OFlynns! I think a newspaper report said it would get started straight away but my buddy in City hall said that there might be a festival there (at the Eglinton st site) for the end of the year of culture??? So i’d say lex’s report of 2006 start date could well be true. Either way its great news. The standard of building design should be encouraged by this movement.

    • #757525
      redabbeyredux
      Participant

      Yep, best news this year for Cork’s cityscape!

    • #757526
      lexington
      Participant

      :rolleyes: How long has this thing been going on??? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Finally, the Cork School of Music (CSM) designed by architects Murray O’Laoire, looks set to roll. Originally, the 110,000sq ft + project was proposed back in 1999 and has since suffered a number of severe setbacks from planning to funding to contractual misendeavours. Jarvis had originally been appointed to the PPP educational project – at one point in 2004, movement looked set when Jarvis signed a contract with John Sisk & Sons Construction to build the project on their behalf, however, when Jarvis ran into financial difficulties, its PPP wing was sold to German-firm Hochtief. The Dept. of Education has since been in negotiations with the firm about commencing work on the belated building – now, an agreement would seem to have been reached. If all goes well, a construction date is set for sometime in September of this year with an 18 month build-period. The project should be functional and open to the college’s 3,000+ music students in time for the 2007 semester.

      This indeed, is another positive development (following yesterday’s announcement regarding Eglinton Street) in Cork’s architectural and educational wilderness. It is believed Sisk Construction will still remain appointed to the contract.

      Any opinions on its design?

    • #757527
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      Well, better than a surface car park!

      Is there an additional pedestrian bridge going in?

    • #757528
      Ronan C
      Participant

      Does anybody have images of the new building on Elgin St or even who the architects were so I can look on their website ? Thanks in advance …

    • #757529
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      @Ronan C wrote:

      Does anybody have images of the new building on Elgin St or even who the architects were so I can look on their website ? Thanks in advance …

      The architects are Wilson Architects. Visit them at http://www.wilsonarchitecture.ie

      Can’t seem to put pictures up on this post-weird…

      Will try again later.

    • #757530
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Can a basic level of behaviour be provided on this thread?

      I.E. No-one being demeaned or defamed or misrepresented?

    • #757531
      lexington
      Participant

      @Thomond Park wrote:

      Can a basic level of behaviour be provided on this thread?
      I.E. No-one being demeaned or defamed or misrepresented?

      Thomond Park – I do not believe that is a very fair comment to make. As far as the LADSOCL thread goes, the general standard of ‘behaviour’ was/is very high. Yes opinions were expressed, yes positions were argued – but I would expect nothing less of a open forum which supports such discussion.

      If you refer to the the statement posted by Paul Clerkin regarding the publication articles – it becomes evident that the ‘misrepresentation’ has predominantly come from the press with respect to the users of this forum and the website itself.

      Alleged statements have been highlighted in that they were presented in a misleading and inaccurate manner. Now, indeed comments were made – but of the 1800+ posts on that thread alone, the subject posts represented approximately 3 or 4 of these.

      If CSD for example, given that they are the topic group at issues, act in a clearly imbalanced or unfair manner, than indeed this may and will be highlighted by users of this thread. Equally, the CSD website readily points out its issues with certain developments. The issue at hand, in terms of the behaviour you speak of, is where posts are ‘insults’. As mentioned, those points were 0.0016% of the total posts made. Supporters and members of groups like CSD have always been free to counter-argue their perspectives and as far as I am aware, have at all times been treated with respect and welcome.

      In the article statement, it was noted that those comments made and deemed inappropriate have resulted in the action of membership removal.

      I hope this thread avails of all the positive aspects of the LADSOCL thread – that it encourages and supports active discussion regarding architecture within the city, the architecture and their effects of new projects in the city, the development backgrounds and how the designs and proposals are affected through the planning process – the process which ultimately brings these design additions to ‘reality’. The outcomes of these projects are affected by planning submissions and it is perfectly reasonable to include mention of the nature of these submissions so that a greater empirical sense of the projects development to life is accounted for. As we know too often, the planning process can have consequences on the end design result.

    • #757532
      dowlingm
      Participant

      If I may say without being branded ageist, it is a pity that certain groups wish to put Cork in some kind of suspended animation when they claim to represent people of an agegroup who were responsible for the electrification of Ireland and the boom years of Lemass and Whitaker. Instead they prey on the fears of elderly people about being dispossed and sent god knows where, to be replaced by whom I wonder?

      The fact is that Cork has had unsatisfactory development in the past which led to the decline of the City’s population even while the rest of the county and country increased in numbers. LATSOCL was a barometer of how far Cork had come since and how close it came to screwing it up as it did and where it might go.

      I think such groups if actively involved in the transformation of Cork could actually do a world of good and it is up to Cork City Council to find a way out of their dog in the manger attitude to provide an inclusive process of evolution for the City while still allowing people to make a few bob in making Cork a bigger, better place.

      Finally, of course Architecture and Planning are different. There is nothing stopping people creating threads to discuss pure architecture and leave those of us who enjoy the holistic (and more accessible to the layman such as myself) discussions of State of Cork to continue on here. To suggest that State of Cork was all about planning was to deny all the swishy scans Lexington provided!

      I do think the new forum title is a bit dry. State of Cork was a great title and I’m sure drew a lot of views from the bantering headline alone. In a way it seems the knockers have won by this change alone. Let’s try and retain the humour while softpedalling the acid?

    • #757533
      altuistic
      Participant

      well said Mark.

      Could somebody please explain something to me because i’m not sure i’m up to date on something, why was it necessary to issue a new webpage when the other state of cork webpage was perfectly fine? I dont need to remind you how popular and important it has become as a resource. one of the things that attracted so many first time users to the archiseek.com website as a whole was its extensive depth and detail. Days on end could be spent exploring it and each day one could find something new and wonderful. If the culprit(s?) have been addressed shouldnt we continue on with the good work as it was? Why should the comments of 1 or 2 and the outrageously unfair and incorrect paper articles disbenefit the rest of us and the website? I myself am not a solicitor (thats my sons job) and when i discussed this issue with him he said the wise thing for the paper to do was to issue a well seen apology to the website. whatever of it i dont know it’s not got to do with me but I do feel the loss of the other thread will disbenefit us.

      On that note I am most pleased to hear some progress is being made for the music school. The design i suppose represents that the term of landmark building does not mean highrise. I do think however it looks far more intriguing by nightime. The use of light seems most interesting and the materials used in the buildings design seems to allow a rich tapestry of effects under nightime lights which gives the building much more character.

    • #757534
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Contrary to what the Examiner said, they obviously didn’t examine too closely and were too keen for a headline suggesting a result, the original thread is still online here. It is not lost.

    • #757535
      genario
      Participant

      So can we use it again yes/no????? This good if we can continue.

      genario

    • #757536
      dave123
      Participant

      this is all confusing?? read into to much i think.
      i have nothing against the cork thread, the old thread was good and now this ???
      but i do think that there is enough threads going for cork and its all hypep a bit
      although i do enjoy reading it..

      my point is could they not just have one decent thread???

    • #757537
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      @Ronan C wrote:

      Does anybody have images of the new building on Elgin St or even who the architects were so I can look on their website ? Thanks in advance …

      As promised

      Maybe go to O’Flynn Construction’s website for more images… Haven’t looked throught the whole website yet.
      Thanks Lex…

    • #757538
      Ronan C
      Participant

      Thanks a lot, should be a nice addition to Cork

    • #757539
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      Question for Dowlingm

      I’ve been offered a position in Mississauga… would you recommend Toronto and its environs as a good place for a young family looking to leave the strains (commuter and other) of Dublin behind?

      thanks for any insights (btw, would you choose to live in Mississauga or in the metropolitan area?).

    • #757540
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ I made a visit to The Marquee last night at the Munster Agricultural Showgrounds (yes, to see a sell-out Tommy Tiernan), and I have to say that its presence pushes the need only further that the city needs and could do most well from a permanent such event centre. The temporary nature of the facility ensured that air-conditioning and the solid service facilities were lacking (believe you me, air-conditioning was never so badly needed), but the venue provides a physical indication that such a centre could well be a success. Over 5000 persons packed the over-sized circus tent – but the atmosphere was very positive.

      3 projects are currently ploughing ahead with their proposals for such an event centre. The Showgrounds, however, still, in my eyes seems the most ideal location long-run.

      An application for Horgan’s Quay is not too far away and I will bring you details of its contents before its lodgement please God.

      (Marquee images later tonight).

    • #757541
      lexington
      Participant

      Paul Kenny has submitted Significant Further Information on his plans to build new offices for the Revenue Commissioners along St. Patrick’s Quay. The office development designed by Wilson Architecture would home approaximately 127,000sq ft of office space and 15,000sq ft of retail over 2 linked buildings. The revised plans will now consist of one building fronting St. Patrick’s Quay between 4 and 6 storeys (as oppose to 4 and 5 storeys) with the 2nd building 4 to 6 storeys facing the Lower Glanmire Road, changed from 5 to 7 storeys. The double-deck basement car-park will now house 216 car spaces and 50 cycle spaces, instead of 235 spaces of car-parking originally submitted. It should be mentioned that the basic design (i.e. the curved quayside facade) will remain the same. A decision date is now set for the 8th August 2005.

    • #757542
      lexington
      Participant

      You will remember earlier (back in the LADSOCL thread) a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.

      In my opinion, a generally quality project – its seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.

    • #757543
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      A decision is due this Wednesday on Ellesmere Properties Ltd. ‘s seven storey Hotel, retail unit, basement carpark and Coffee shop at Lavitts Quay and Half Moon Street (Lex has previously posted images of same).
      If i remember correctly, the general opinion on this site was that the architectural merit of the building fell far short of that required for this prestigous location adjacent to Cork Opera House.
      Anybody got any ideas how CCC are leaning with this one? Further info. was submitted in mid-June.

    • #757544
      lexington
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      A decision is due this Wednesday on Ellesmere Properties Ltd. ‘s seven storey Hotel, retail unit, basement carpark and Coffee shop at Lavitts Quay and Half Moon Street (Lex has previously posted images of same).
      If i remember correctly, the general opinion on this site was that the architectural merit of the building fell far short of that required for this prestigous location adjacent to Cork Opera House.
      Anybody got any ideas how CCC are leaning with this one? Further info. was submitted in mid-June.

      Indeed the decision is due tomorrow. Only one objection was submitted to the Significant Further Information submitted – which effectively redesigned the hotel building, with a minor height reduction (over 1m), room numbers reduction (125 to 114) and facade alterations. It has to be said that the original propopsal was not up to much – the new design is an improvement somewhat. The architect is Geoff Butler of Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects and developers are Howard Holdings. An image is posted below and I will have some information on its decision tomorrow evening.

      Though the revised design incorporates a number of improvements, including better use of the site shape and better incorporation and relation of the new project to No.16 Lavitts Quay (a PS) – I wonder if this is really the best design that RORSA could have come up with for the 20m euro project which is set to house the Comfort Inn brand. Perhaps its just me – maybe its a sort of New York-esque ‘Art Deco’ style I’m just not use to :confused: . Its not a bad project, the usage is most welcome, but it just doesn’t seem up to scratch in comparison to the likes of 21 Lavitts Quay, recently complete next-door to the west. However, the variety of styles may indeed enhance the quayside over-all in the future. It’s just that in such a delicate location, a new development should first and foremost add to an area – this building, I believe, adds nothing.

    • #757545
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      You will remember earlier (back in the LADSOCL thread) a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.

      In my opinion, a generally quality project – its seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.

      I agree lexington that it isnt a bad project and the site is a difficult one but i think it should be stated that it is difficult for more than one reason. For a start, its size means that any development on it would have to have some height to be viable. Other than that the nature of surrounding buildings like Farranlea hall and Victoria station across the Wilton road are residential and have been designed with the usual residential features like balconies, roof gardens etc. Frinillas other project at Dennehys cross up the road is gonna be residential too and any redevelopment of the Cork farm centre will be of a similar height as this project in question. The design has to consider all these elements – it has to be befitting of the area, allow viablity, provide for residential aspects and be relatively ‘pretty’ while its at it. While i dont think its an offence or ugly design (I like the glass commercial unit (is a commercial unit???) to the front of the site), I dont think its anything particularly spectacular either. Its colouration use of finishings seems varied, neutral colors that smile at, rather than attack the senses, so its not offending anyone. I especially like the penthouse element. The one problem i see staring me in the face however is that 4 storeys wall to the north of the site. It seems unnecessarily bland despite the color. I’m sure the architects had their reasons, but, even a window or 2 to break the repetitiveness up a little? Maybe Top car are looking to redevelop their site that we dont know about. As far as I know windows in the Frinilla projects wall wouldnt be overlooking anything other than a workshop. The L shape of the development gives a bit of variety to the design which otherwise I could just envision walking up along the road and being greet by nothing other than a 4 storey wall! If the penthouse can have windows at this side of the building, can the rest of the north elevation not have them either???

    • #757546
      Devin
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      That thing is absolutely woeful!! It is bland, overscaled and makes monkeys of the remaining older buildings on the quayfront. I suppose itรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs following the precedent of the oversized lump thatรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs already built on Lavittรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs Quay? This is the problem รขโ‚ฌโ€œ once one mistake occurs itรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs easier for more to be madeรขโ‚ฌยฆ

      For those who donรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt know Cork, this is not in a remote area where there are just scraps of historic buildings left and you could go taller]right in the centre[/I], where there is an established scale.

      The 3-storey, 4-bay building on the quayfront is a Protected Structure, right? Well under the Planning & Dev Act 2000 (Part IV), the setting of a P. S. is protected as well as the structure itself. So the impact of new development proposals on the integrity of a P. S. has to be taken into account. You canรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt just shove a load of rubbish up behind a P. S. once the building itself has been secured.

      This image is misleading anyway. A wider image is needed that properly shows the proposal in its location, with the Quays & Emmet Place etc.

    • #757547
      pier39
      Participant

      ive tried to like this building on so many levels and though it is a vast improvement on the original id be lying to myself if i said i liked it. for such a respected firm rorsa could have done so much better. a shame really.

    • #757548
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      the architect needs to be sent back to college

    • #757549
      lisam
      Participant

      @ewankennedy wrote:

      Maybe Top car are looking to redevelop their site that we dont know about. As far as I know windows in the Frinilla projects wall wouldnt be overlooking anything other than a workshop. The L shape of the development gives a bit of variety to the design which otherwise I could just envision walking up along the road and being greet by nothing other than a 4 storey wall! If the penthouse can have windows at this side of the building, can the rest of the north elevation not have them either???

      I have heard from a good source that Top Car are planning to relocate.

    • #757550
      lexington
      Participant

      @lisam wrote:

      I have heard from a good source that Top Car are planning to relocate.

      It was only March 1st this year (2005) that Top Car received permission to vertically extend their showroom, with Colman Cotter Consulting Engineers working on the project. I had heard they were looking at one of the Motor Mall locations (at either EastGate or John Cleary Developments’ project at Mahon Point) but nothing in stone. The Victoria Cross site would certainly be a highly valuable land deal for them should they decide to relocate. No doubt a number of offers would leap at the opportunity.



      Also I am awaiting details on Howard Holdings’ plans for Lavitts Quay, as posted above – Michael Lynch is the planner. It will be most interesting to see how this one fairs – the design is controversial to say the least. But not controversial good in my books. ๐Ÿ™

    • #757551
      rodger
      Participant

      It is hard to judge the quality of the building from the image shown,its quite distorted or maybe its my cataracts again.

      I will reserve my opinion (for what its worth) pending review of the file and indeed clear images.
      Nice work on the Victoria cross images Lexington,I agree with you on the design.

      That blank gable is very bland I would think its to allow for the future development of Top Car ,whom I understand are in negotiations with Cleary Doyle in Mahon for a new car showroom.

      Any way what the f*** am I doing on this thing I should be out topping up on the suntan.

    • #757552
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      ……seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.

      Sorry Lexington, it was this project I was talking about….

    • #757553
      lexington
      Participant

      Just for your own interest – here are a selection of images on the various projects proposed for the 16 Lavitts Quay site over the years. All designed by RORSA.


      The original proposal of new Irish Examiner/Evening Echo HQ – applied for back in late 2001.


      After the land swap deal with Howard Holdings (under the SPV Ellesmere Properties) the developers retained RORSA and designed this 7-storey 125-bedroom hotel for the Comfort Inn brand.


      CCC Planning Dept. sought Significant Further Information on the project following reservations concerning the projects design, layout and height. In June, RORSA submitted revised plans which featured a reduction in height, bedroom numbers, better site utilisation, revised basement features and revised aesthetics.

      The decision is due tomorrow. I had expected news tonight, but unfortunately it will have to wait until tomorrow morning.

      Sincere apologises related to the scan qualities.

    • #757554
      Devin
      Participant

      Are you saying that because these equally terrible proposals were made earlier on for the Lavittรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs Quay area, that the current situation รขโ‚ฌโ€œ with an existing overscaled building on the quayfront and an overscaled proposal behind the quayfront รขโ‚ฌโ€œ is somehow justified?? – That is complete nonsense.

      At the end of the day, the only thing that should be considered is the proper planning and development of the area, and in no way could any of these proposals or the existing building at 21 Lavittรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs Quay be construed to be proper planning and development.

      For those who don’t know Cork & are presuming that Lavitt’s Quay is in an outer area where bland montrosities and discontinuity of scale might happen, the arrow on the map shows where it is; right in the central core with a dense fabric of older buildings all around and the incredibly historic Paul Street area just behind:

      And the existing yoke รขโ‚ฌโ€œ euphemistically named “No. 21 Lavittรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs Quay” .รขโ‚ฌยฆรขโ‚ฌยฆ.serious, serious integration problemรขโ‚ฌยฆรขโ‚ฌยฆรขโ‚ฌยฆ:

    • #757555
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      That hotel’s been granted by the Council…..I think that they have changed the elevation by droping a couple of units……as for the integration of No 16, I don’t think O’Callaghans wanted to keep that, I think that they were encouraged to do so by the Council. Personally I think it allows for a beter architectural statement (not saying that Lavitts Quay is award stuff) if some of those older buildings are demolished; I accept that there is a balance to be struck, I just think that sometimes older buildings irrespective of merit / condition / potential reuse are seen as being important. I mean, just have a look at the recent NIAH for Cork, some classic stuff in there but there is also somerelatively recent (1950’s) building that personally I wouldn’t look twice at (from a preservation viewpoint – record yes, preserve no).

      Anyway, I think the problem with Lavitt’s Quay is the Opera House, anything else is an improvement……

    • #757556
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž Howard Holdings (Ellesmere Properties) have been greenlit by CCC to develop the former TCH lands at Lavitts Quay to the west and rear of No.16 Lavitts Quay. The protected structure at No.16 (which still possesses a run-down but remarkably intricate interior detail) will be integrated into the new development with ground-floor cafe usage and upper floor office usage. The revised design for the 7-storey hotel proposed 114 bedrooms (as oppose to the 125 in the original submission), however some of these units have since be conditioned. Although Comfort Inn stated that 114 represented the minimum number of rooms necessary to allow hotel viability, it yet remains to be seen whether they will settle for the conditions or seek appeal. The hotel will also allow for retail space and a basement parking facility. The development will provide a degree of continuity to the quayside, along with 21 Lavitts Quay and a redeveloped Cork Opera House (in the works). R. Arthur’s corner premises on Half Moon Street and Lavitts Quay, may be subject to sale in the coming months (as rumours have it). More details later.



      Devin – if you read my earlier posts, I think you should be able to determine my feelings on the design of this development. The only reasons I posted the above images of the various developments proposed for this site was to allow for those interested to note the other options that had existed, as a matter of record. I don’t believe I express one opinion over the other on that post – rather just a summary of the alterations made. Howard Holdings have produced better material than this before and so have RORSA and I really think much more could have been achieved.

      – also just as a matter of clarity, so that no confusion is created between the subject buildings, OCP’s HQ building is 21 Lavitts Quay, with its former HQ facade incorporated into the new building. No.16 Lavitts Quay is the PS which is part and to be integrated into the Howard Holdings development. Thanks for the image Devin, it gives another interesting perspective on the site as is and its relationship to 21. However, also consider the quayside prior to 21’s development – if you have any comparitive images of that it may be interesting to assess. Also, 21 should not be viewed as a stand-alone project, but rather as part of a quayside masterplan which includes the Opera House, No.16 and the Coal Quay buildings to the west. Thats not a justification or anything, but rather an alternative perspective. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757557
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      Devin,
      from your image, yes the OCP development looks monstrous, yet the Opera House is just out of sight to the left which puts the quayside in perspective. Also there is a hideous multistory carpark just behind the OCP development which was quite visible prior to this construction. This quayside along with Patricks Qy and Merchants Qy can accommodate a slightly larger massing than the older structures provide. That said they should fit in. I disapprove of the impact of the OCP building when viewed from Academy St where it’s overbearing nature becomes quite apparent.

    • #757558
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž You may remember sometime ago I noted that Killarney-based Oyster Developments were pushing further into the Cork market, and that they were in preplanning for another large-scale development. Well, again using Sabine Wittman’s Dungarvan-based The e-Project Architects, Oyster Developments look set to lodge an application for a 7-storey office development along Deane Street, directly across the road from the landmark 9-storey office development in planning by DAT Partnerships, and designed by Coughlan de Keyser. The site borders the rear of the newly refurbished Bus Station at Anderson’s Quay, and adjoins No.8 Parnell Place, a protected structure.

      The office development will stem to a height equal to nearby No.6 Lapps Quay, but will not be higher than CentrePoint, the DAT Partnerships building.

      It is building will house office space over retail facilities. I will have images soon (unfortunately I didn’t receive them sooner, but I think that’s on account of my opinions expressed regarding The e-Project’s design for the Capitol Cineplex redevelopment – oops! :rolleyes: – by way of interest, the Further Information requested on the Capitol redevelopment is expected to be lodged within the next month).

      Below are some site images, and an image of the DAT Partnerships building across the road from the Oyster Developments proposal. I have not yet seen the application design for the Oyster project, but I should hope, at the very very least, it is of or above the standards set by CentrePoint and other nearby projects.


      No.8 Parnell Place – I have some concerns at how the development will dominate this important protected structure, but I will wait until I see the final design, who knows, I may be surprised.


      1st Image shows perspective from Bus Station – looking West to East toward City Quarter (seen in background) 2nd Image – shows relationship of the site (right) to No.6 Lapps Quay in background, with CentrePoint (9-storey DAT Partnerships building) site seen to the left (with billboards).

      The application will request permission to demolish the structures to the rear of No.8 Parnell Place, among which includes a pleasant brick former-bakery chimney. Although I welcome the site’s redevelopment, the design will have to be something special to add rather than detract from this sensitive site. We’ll wait and see.


      The innovative CentrePoint, 9-storey office development by DAT Partnerships. To give you some perspective, this image is shows the western elevation, with No.6 Lapps Quay to the left (south), the Bus Station to the right (north) and Oyster Developments proposal to the west (behind the CentrePoint building). It will be important for the Oyster proposal not to detract from this new building either.

    • #757559
      who_me
      Participant

      I was a bit wary of No 21 Lavitt’s Quay, but seeing it now complete, it’s one of my favourite new developments in Cork. That entire quayside has looked dreadful for decades – with the nearby Opera House one of the worst of a bad lot. Any redevelopment of the area would be welcome in my book, and No. 21 is one of the best in Cork.

      As for the greater height, bring it on. If it leads to other buildings nearby of a similar height, is that a bad thing? Would buildings such as the Roches Stores, Brown Thomas buildings etc. ever have been built if we had the same attitude towards height then as we do now?

      And if the height differs, is that a problem either? I think (provided new developments are top-notch) a contrast in heights between new and old side-by-side can be quite striking. To be honest, I think much of Dublin and Limerick’s riverside developments have been quite dull, with endless adjoining buildings of the same or similar height.

      Having said all that, I think the proposals for No. 16 Lavitt’s Quay are very poor; being big is ok, but being big and bland isn’t. IMO.

    • #757560
      Devin
      Participant

      @who_me wrote:

      And if the height differs, is that a problem either? I think a contrast in heights between new and old side-by-side can be quite striking.

      Provided they can integrate and co-exist happily…….which is not the case on Lavitt’s Quay in my opinion.

    • #757561
      pier39
      Participant

      ill probably be a lone voice here but i actually like 21 lavitts qy. its impact to the rear a far less significant that the impact the new howard holdings hotel will have. the nice thing about paul street and its tributary lanes is that the seem to be pleasantly isolated in their own timewarped microcosm and i think thats part of their appeal.

      it is a pity howard didnt just move onto a different practice, not that ive anything against rorsa but clearly effort was lacking from the no16 design. imagination could have immensely enhanced this site and quayside. i suppose it was a matter of taking advantage of rorsa site knowledge and getting an application in there fast. i fear this building will be another one of those designs people will throw their eyes to heaven each time they pass it in coming years. i dont think 21 lavitts qy beckons the same. its actually quite a clever well finished building and seems to embrace a variety of scales, curvatures and materials which given a bit of variety to what could quite easily have been another bland office building. paddy cashman and clan did a good job. the blandness of the elevations at no16, which tries to embrace a seemingly 1930s-esque deco style using those odd windows, is disappointing. at the very least, greater care to elevational treatements and their vertices could have been afforded with very little cost differentials. pity. but then again maybe we’ll all be fooled on its completion and itll surprise us all.

      i personally am aware of proposed designs for phase 3 of the opera house redevelopment with a private developer on board and in fairness, the plans are showing promise and imagination. hopefully the entire quay front will allow for some powerful statements come the next few years. also i hear a private developer is chatting with joe gavin et al about kyrls quay – ooo!

    • #757562
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I have to agree with you, I think its good as well but perhaps a bit to busy in places. Interesting thing for that area along the Quay is what happens to the William Clarke Building (I think thats what the red brick yoke adjacent to the entrance to the Paul Street Car Park is called).

      As for the opera house, I know that Murray O’Laoire did a fair enough job with the front of the building but I always fear that trying to fix what was a bad looking building is a bit like putting lipstick on a pig…..

      @pier39 wrote:

      ill probably be a lone voice here but i actually like 21 lavitts qy. its impact to the rear a far less significant that the impact the new howard holdings hotel will have. the nice thing about paul street and its tributary lanes is that the seem to be pleasantly isolated in their own timewarped microcosm and i think thats part of their appeal.

      it is a pity howard didnt just move onto a different practice, not that ive anything against rorsa but clearly effort was lacking from the no16 design. imagination could have immensely enhanced this site and quayside. i suppose it was a matter of taking advantage of rorsa site knowledge and getting an application in there fast. i fear this building will be another one of those designs people will throw their eyes to heaven each time they pass it in coming years. i dont think 21 lavitts qy beckons the same. its actually quite a clever well finished building and seems to embrace a variety of scales, curvatures and materials which given a bit of variety to what could quite easily have been another bland office building. paddy cashman and clan did a good job. the blandness of the elevations at no16, which tries to embrace a seemingly 1930s-esque deco style using those odd windows, is disappointing. at the very least, greater care to elevational treatements and their vertices could have been afforded with very little cost differentials. pity. but then again maybe we’ll all be fooled on its completion and itll surprise us all.

      i personally am aware of proposed designs for phase 3 of the opera house redevelopment with a private developer on board and in fairness, the plans are showing promise and imagination. hopefully the entire quay front will allow for some powerful statements come the next few years. also i hear a private developer is chatting with joe gavin et al about kyrls quay – ooo!

    • #757563
      sw101
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      The innovative CentrePoint, 9-storey office development by DAT Partnerships. To give you some perspective, this image is shows the western elevation, with No.6 Lapps Quay to the left (south), the Bus Station to the right (north) and Oyster Developments proposal to the west (behind the CentrePoint building). It will be important for the Oyster proposal not to detract from this new building either.

      i can’t get my head around this thing at all. any better images?

    • #757564
      GrahamH
      Participant

      Yes, indeed might I respectfully ask in the earlier context of improving on LATSOCL if it is possible to post better resolution images here that those often going up. Considering it is such an image-rich thread, and effort and time is already put into scanning images, it’s not much more difficult to get a better res. Or invest in a better scanner, they’re only 50 quid in Aldi you know!
      More often than not it is more irritating to have a poor quality image than no image at all. It’d improve the thread no end to have higher quality images.
      Thanks.

      Oh go on then, here’s a smilie ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757565
      sw101
      Participant

      it looks like an art gallery i did in second year. or at least a bad elevation of what i designed. and what’s with the go-faster fin on the right hand side?

    • #757566
      GrahamH
      Participant

      It makes it go faster you see.

    • #757567
      Devin
      Participant

      Like the amps that go up to 11 ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757568
      lexington
      Participant

      @Graham Hickey wrote:

      Yes, indeed might I respectfully ask in the earlier context of improving on LATSOCL if it is possible to post better resolution images here that those often going up. Considering it is such an image-rich thread, and effort and time is already put into scanning images, it’s not much more difficult to get a better res. Or invest in a better scanner, they’re only 50 quid in Aldi you know!
      More often than not it is more irritating to have a poor quality image than no image at all. It’d improve the thread no end to have higher quality images.
      Thanks.

      Oh go on then, here’s a smilie ๐Ÿ™‚

      Point accepted. I genuinely am looking into improving their quality – for a long time I couldn’t get the images up at all or at least compressed to a capable size, so the next stage is adjusting clarity. I agree that it will form an important part of improving the quality of this thread. There’s nothing worse than trying to assess a piece of architecture and not being able to view it clearly.

    • #757569
      altuistic
      Participant

      That Centrepoint building seems to me like a wave or an olympic torch perhaps??? i know the site and i am perplexed as to how they intend to construct such a complicated looking building on such a tiny plot. I read somewhere, here?, that it hung over the pathways. I would think more photographs are needed to understand how the building looks from the quayside and how it affects the other buildings in the area.

    • #757570
      Pug
      Participant

      I’m sure I saw very similar deisgn building in Brussels or Strasbourg, its one of the European Commission Buildings, or the European Court of Human Rights (Basically the European something or other!!)

    • #757571
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      lexington – is the DAT Partnership image shown an Eastern elevation? With No. 6 Lapps Quay +Oliver Plunkett St to the left and bus station to the right +behind?

      What do people think of this? As much as can be understood of the building from the image anyhow? I think it has some potential – although i would have preferred something a little sharper and triangular – with a bit more definition – in relation to the specific nature of the site – this building looks like its trying to escape the site, as opposed to reflecting its particular configuration – however i would be fairly positive – but would love to see more images – as well as more impressions of the E-Project’s proposals next door

    • #757572
      pier39
      Participant

      @sw101 wrote:

      it looks like an art gallery i did in second year. or at least a bad elevation of what i designed. and what’s with the go-faster fin on the right hand side?

      all it needs now is a bass tube and some bling bling rims!!!!! ‘pimp my office building’, y’all.

      like bunch i was expecting a flatiron building type structure on the site given its triangular shape and though i think such a sharp styled structure could have risen higher given its sharper punctuation of the skyline, i have to say i was pleasantly surprised when i saw this image. ive also seen a montage perspective of the building from eglinton st and from that viewpoint its looks a little bulky. from a birdseye perspective the go-faster fin actually teardrops the building off nicely.

    • #757573
      securityman
      Participant

      I also think 21 lavvitts quay is a great development and adds to the city the thing is we need to move forward with innovative and appealing buildings. The city needs to get rid of the derilict buildings and at last that seems to be happening. When they revamped the front of the opera house they should have looked at the wall facing the quay because as they say dont judge a book by its cover the inside could do with a major revampl aswell.

      Does anyone know where Rockfell Investments are based as I cannot seem to find a number for them in connection with the guy building.

      Did you see that Tom McCarthy has got the go ahead for a major development in Macroom does anyone know who is going to build it.

    • #757574
      lisam
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      I also think 21 lavvitts quay is a great development and adds to the city the thing is we need to move forward with innovative and appealing buildings. The city needs to get rid of the derilict buildings and at last that seems to be happening. When they revamped the front of the opera house they should have looked at the wall facing the quay because as they say dont judge a book by its cover the inside could do with a major revampl aswell.

      Does anyone know where Rockfell Investments are based as I cannot seem to find a number for them in connection with the guy building.

      Did you see that Tom McCarthy has got the go ahead for a major development in Macroom does anyone know who is going to build it.

      Rockfell Investments is owned by the O Donoghue Ring family who own Munster Joinery in Ballydesmond. The address used in the planning application is Lacka Cross, Ballydesmond.

      Tom McCarthys job in MAcroom hasnt gone out for tender yet so no contractor has been selected.

    • #757575
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      I’m sure I saw very similar deisgn building in Brussels or Strasbourg

      Not sure what building in Cork you’re referring to, but the building currently seeking planning for Revenue looks very similar to one on Rue Belliard (on the left as you head from Froissart towards town (or the European Parliament) in Brussels, right down to large wooden beams running vertically inside the glass front. As for as I know its a Commission building of some kind.

    • #757576
      lexington
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      Does anyone know where Rockfell Investments are based as I cannot seem to find a number for them in connection with the guy building.

      Did you see that Tom McCarthy has got the go ahead for a major development in Macroom does anyone know who is going to build it.

      Rockfell Investments,
      c/o Munster Joinery,
      Lacka Cross,
      Ballydesmond,
      Cork

      As far as I know, and I’m open for correction on this, so feel free – but Munster Joinery’s construction (Darragh Dubh – is it?) element are constructing the project themselves…anyone???



      bunch – yes the image is taken from an eastern perspective looking west. The bus station is right and No.6 Lapps Quay is to the left.

      I’ll do my best to get more images in the future – the project is now in Further Information.



      sw101 – do you have an images you could share of the ‘Gallery’ you design which helms some resemblance to the DAT Partnerships building? :confused: ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    • #757577
      who_me
      Participant

      @Devin wrote:

      Provided they can integrate and co-exist happily…….which is not the case on Lavitt’s Quay in my opinion.

      That’s fair enough. Though given the dreadful multi-storey car parks just behind the quayside, I think that area is a prime candidate for some taller buildings to mask them. With those in place, No.21 shouldn’t look so out of place.

      I do agree with you on No. 16 wholeheartedly, I don’t care much for it at all.

    • #757578
      Pug
      Participant

      @Aidan wrote:

      Not sure what building in Cork you’re referring to,

      i was talking about the one proposed by DAT partnerships

    • #757579
      sw101
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      sw101 – do you have an images you could share of the ‘Gallery’ you design which helms some resemblance to the DAT Partnerships building? :confused: ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

      i threw out that portfolio years ago. utter rubbish. who are DAT partnerships, architects?

    • #757580
      redabbeyredux
      Participant

      DAT – drug action teams – they are big buzz across the water. Maybe that explains why the building looks like the bowl of an enormous hash pipe.

    • #757581
      lexington
      Participant

      A large residential development site near Curraheen Greyhound Stadium at Riversdale in Bishopstown is believed to have been sold for a figure in excess of 11m euros to Declan O’Mahony’s BrideView Developments. The 6-acre site, abutting the new Ballincollig By-Pass, had been guiding at a figure of around 10m euros through auctioneers Irish & European. The site comes with full planning permission (attained by former owner Jerimiah Lynch) for a high-density residential scheme of 123 units, creche and community centre designed by Murray O’Laoire Architects.

      “The accommodation is comprised of dual aspect apartments, own door access duplex units and รขโ‚ฌหœempty nesterรขโ‚ฌโ„ข units, designed to appeal to persons downsizing from larger dwellings in the area,” according to MOLA. “The proposed development will articulate the transition in scale from the domestic scale of the suburban housing to the grand scale of the new Bypass. The design will form a landmark when viewed from the roadway, denoting the western extent of the greater Cork conurbation. Buildings are planned around the perimeter of the site, enclosing a parkland type interior which terminates in a boardwalk running parallel to the Twopot River.”


      I’ll try and get some better images sometime in the future so that the design can be assessed in better detail.

    • #757582
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Okay I know this is a little off the canter, but it’s nice to see O’Callaghan Properties are thinking outside the box. They are shortly applying for permission to change use, partly, of the ‘Tall Order’ restaurant which consumes a vast majority of the upper floor at their North Main Street Shopping Centre, for use as a skating rink! Whether that’s ice, skateboarding or a hark back to those classic days of 1970s roller-discos, I don’t yet know – but it should make for an interesting addition. At least their thinking beyond the standard residential, retail or office box – there’s a whole other market out there that seems completely untouched, and its not associated with the aforementioned uses. OCP seem to be, with this plan, to be tapping into a shrapnel of this market.

      Looks like I had better raid that dusty old cupboard for my old skates! – and look a right fool when I’m the oldest person there and everyone else has a skateboard. :p

    • #757583
      altuistic
      Participant

      I see Mick Murphy wasted no time in getting an objection in on the Frinilla building next to Top Motors.

      i’ll be honest with you, and I’m not living so far away, i’ve no problem really with this building, its not stunning by any means but its not a bad design. I wont be putting on an objection to this after all this road is starting to suit these buildings and not with any great loss. However you can be darn sure if another student accommodation buildings like that lego brick along Victoria Cross was ever again proposed the council can have my twenty euros because that standard is not acceptable in this area or in any area at all. Also i would like to think that the plans for Dennehys garage at the crossroads – does anyone know who is behind that? – should be more befitting of the height of other buildings in this area. Maybe it could be higher facing the health board building but certainly closer to the junction it should be no more than three possibly four floors – that would depend on how well it looks. It would be nice for that development to be a gateway into the Victoria Cross area and the rest of the city and provide a nice border to the residential areas along Wilton road and Model Farm Road which should be preserved in their plesant suburban state. I would be most heartfelt about that.

    • #757584
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Riga Limited, the O’Callaghan Properties SPV, has lodged plans for a new pedestrian and vehicular bridge spanning between its Jurys Hotel redevelopment site and the Western Road. Under condition by ABP regarding the redevelopment, OCP were requested to re-apply for permission regarding the bridge connection. A decision date is set for September the 8th 2005. The bridge is designed by Henry J. Lyons & Partners. Although construction is permitted, no persons occupying the apartment elements of the redevelopment will be permitted to habitat the new units until the bridge is complete. OCP plan to have the bridge up and ready well in advance of the Phase 1 completion.



      ๐Ÿ™‚ Lyonshall Ltd (Kieran Coughlan and Claire Riordan) have been granted permission to develop an 80,000sq ft (approx) 3 to 4-storey mixed use building designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects as part of the Ursuline Convent redevelopment. The 1st Phase of the 500 residential unit development is set to begin in co-operation with Pierse Construction in the near future. The permitted building will provide a new discount retail store, library, 8 office units, basement car-park and 3 additional retail units.

    • #757585
      lexington
      Participant

      Following UL’s recent adventure into the provision of a new School of Architecture, it would seem that UCC and CIT are assessing the feasibility of such a school for Cork. 4 sites are currently being evaluated, one near the grounds of CIT and UCC’s Business Technology Hub near Curraheen, a further Northside site and 2 other locations. More details on that when/if I hear them.

    • #757586
      DublinLimerick
      Participant

      Aerial photo of Cork

    • #757587
      DublinLimerick
      Participant

      Sorry….. can’t seem to attach pic – will try later.

    • #757588
      lexington
      Participant

      :p Indeed, the aforementioned ‘skating rink’ planned for the North Main Street S.C., which saw OCP set to lodge an application, is intended for use as a 2000sq ft, synthetic ice-rink! Bill Cremin and a partner are hoping to bring the SKIDZ ice-rink to Cork in an innovative venture destined for the ‘Tall Order’ restaurant on the 1st floor of the S.C. The remaining restaurant will provide an associated theme dining ‘experience.’

      You can thank the press for that info because to be honest, I didn’t know anymore beyond what was on the intended application for this one. Thanks!



      Anyway, enjoy the weather – I’m off for a while so take care all!

    • #757589
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      I was driving by Blackpool today and saw that PJ Hegartys are after putting up another tower-crane at Blackpool park – its the second one at a development that seems to be flying up. Does anyone know which this tower crane is working on? Is it the hotel? Or offices? The section with the first really tall tower crane seems to be constructing a building of 9 storeys high.

      (Enjoy lex! :))

    • #757590
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      As far as i’m aware, the Hotel portion of Blackpool Park is long dropped after planning wrangles.
      The crane now in place is working on a huge extension to the office space already in position. Apparently it is being considered for the Revenue relocation. Although i personally believe it is too far out for OPW to go for.


    • #757591
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Any news on the paperboy statue that was due to be reinstated?

    • #757592
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      I’ve got no news on it i’m afraid. As I mentioned in a post a few months back, it was due to be put in place opposite the old examiner office entrance on St. Patrick Street. But something must have happened because on the appointed day- no paperboy.
      But, maybe the less said about ‘d paper’ on here these days the better :p


      My sources tell me that City Planners are investigating complaint (s ?) against Frinailla Ltd. with regard to their Lady’s Well development. They had issued letters to residents in the area informing them that they intended to demolish parts of their sizeable complex of buildings in and around Watercourse Road, out in Blackpool.
      This would (i’m told) be prior to a decision by An Bord Pleanala which is due in August on the future of the site. The company have plans for a mixed use development of apartments, underground parking, retail, gym and creche.
      See here for an image of the proposed development. Frinailla’s Lady’s Well

    • #757593
      theblimp
      Participant

      “Any news on the paperboy statue that was due to be reinstated?”

      Probably been sold to someone in Dublin’s docklands so that it can sit alongside the ‘Cill Airne’ and the ‘Jeanie Johnson’!

    • #757594
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      Another example of unbuilt Ireland?

      In 1995, UCC asked O’Donnell Tuomey Architects to draw up a development plan for the former Good Shepherd Convent and its lands at Sunday’s Well in Cork. The site was to accommodate a humanities campus for 1,500 students in Phase One. The project was ultimately abandoned but not without leaving us with these interesting ideas on transforming an institutional building.

      The ultimate faith of the convent building is now anybody’s guess.

    • #757595
      Anonymous
      Participant

      A very interesting proposal I wonder will a more contemporary scheme emerge along the same proportions with a newer outer skin?

    • #757596
      securityman
      Participant

      Does anyone know who is behind the new leisure facility on the Old Mallow road that flemings is building and what is actually going in there.

    • #757597
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      The leisure centre on the Old Mallow Road near Fitz’ Boreen is by Blackpool Bowl & Leisure Ltd.
      It consists of a Family Recreation Centre, Health & Fitness Club & Day Care Centre compr. 6203sqm. over 4 storeys (ground & first being semi-basement) incl. 2 vehicular entrances, car parking for 154 cars, bicycle parking, service yard, ESB substation & switch room, associated plant, boundary wall & fence, associated landscaping & site works.
      It was granted permission by CCC early in 2002.
      Consists of bowling alley, gym, creche and (I believe) a swimming pool.

    • #757598
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      Where’s Lexington these days

    • #757599
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      The EchoBoy is Back!!!!

      The Echo Boy statue which had been missing from Cook Street for so long has now been returned to the Streets of Cork.
      It’s situated on St. Patrick’s Street, outside the old Cork Examiner Offices doorway and was unveiled today.
      Since i’ve got this wrong before, here’s a picture to prove it ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757600
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Thanks for that Radioactiveman it was an interesting episode

    • #757601
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      Cork COunty Cricket Club have appealled to ABP Cork City COuncil’s decision to grant permission to UCC for the construction of an Outreach and Access building on its lands at MArdyke Gardens adjacent to the new MArdyke Bridge.

    • #757602
      securityman
      Participant

      I see that O’sheas builders are starting work at the back of the wilton shopping centre is this more shops or offices because I know Tesco were turned down planning permission for a petrol station.

      What is happening with East Gate, Little Island I see that they are finnished a major building down there for a while but nobody seems to be moving in I thought Homebase were launching there at the beginningof the year have they pulled out with the number of DIY superstores in the city.

    • #757603
      pier39
      Participant

      blackpool seems to be coming on no end. i think it was lisam was saying that the retail park there is far better than the one at mahon pt given all the hype and i have to agree. its a nice change. the leisure centre should just add to it all.

      anyone hear about any activity along kennedys qy with iaws???

      this place seems a little quiet these days…almost eerie! oooo!

      hey radioactiveman sweet pics there on sundays well. hear frinilla have oriordan staheli working on a nice housing project there.

    • #757604
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      Hello!!!

      I see McCarthy developments have had the appeal against their office building for the south docklands (Monahan road/Centre park road???) withdrawn. Thats good news right? Does anyone know whether it will begin construction anytime soon?? ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757605
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      Just an update on the new Mardyke Bridge:
      Inside Cork quote CCC sources as saying the bridge will not be open to the public until late October at the earliest!!!!! Still waiting for the paths to put in place. And who’s responsible for putting the paths in place?? That’s right you guessed it: CCC.



      Anybody hear todays news on one on Radio 1? The Irish Examiner (or as he continued to refer to it: The COrk Examiner ๐Ÿ™‚ ) got lambasted by Minister Michael McDowell, and rightly so in my opinion.
      But back to architectural matters. Todays Examiner has some splendid images of the proposed new development behind MAhers outdor shop near the Bus station. Importantly they seem to suggest that the old red brick chimney will be preserved. The article also suggest that a planning application will be made in the next few weeks for an office development in the listed building currently occuppied by Mahers.
      The development focused on in the article and images looks impressive. Modern but certainly following a form of the listed building to which it is adjacent. The incorporation of the chimney is crucial and I don’t know has it been done to my satisfaction, but that’s a personal opinion.



      It is very quiet here. But it is the silly season after all! And Lexington I believe is away sunning himself!


      PS regarding Blackpool shopping centre/retail park: It beats Mahon hands down. for diversity of stores, ease of access, and down right Northside charm it comes up thrumps everytime.
      There is simple nothing to attract anyone to Mahon for a second visit. The Farmer’s Market is a great idea, but does smack of desperation- trying to make up fior the fact that there isnt a cake shop, bakery, butchers, deli, etc. in Mahon Point (Tesco Aside).
      I believe Mahon Management have plumbed for the star clothing retailers and therefore reduced the attractiveness of the centre as an all round shopping experience.

    • #757606
      A-ha
      Participant

      [font=Arial:2mvje3ht]So glad to here that the Echo Boy is back Radioactiveman, you've been talking about him for so long, you must be really chuffed. And Re: Homebase Securityman, I heard they were looking for a place in the Carrigtowhill area (but it might be only roumour). Fire at the new airport terminal, I hope it wont slow down the construction of it.[/font:2mvje3ht] ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757607
      securityman
      Participant

      I think a lot of people expected Mahon to wipe the floor with everyone when it opened and it did for the first month when people were fascinated with new stores such Debenhams, Zara, Bershka, Best Menswear etc. which were not anywhere else however they forgot that people spend there money on more than just clothes. An example I give you is that i’m in the process of getting a house at the moment so it was time to check out what to get for the inside of it. Mahon is useless in this area besides B&Q which is a good walk from the centre mind you. On the other hand Blackpool comes up trumps as you have Soundstore for all your appliances, Dunnes Stores is better than TESCO for Bed clothes, cutlery, curtins etc, you also have two options for furniture in Reid and Land of Leather, Argos, maplin Electronics, Carpet Right and not to mention Atlantic Homecare. Aswell as this Blackpool has a fruit and veg shop, butchers, cake shop, shoe repairs, Costa Coffee is class and a pictures that wont leave a big hole in your pocket the prices in the Omniplex are way over the Top.

      There is a couple of big names moving into Ballincollig and i expect this to be a good mixed development with Dunnes, Easons and Carrig Donn so far in there anyone know who else is going in there.

      I see in the Examiner today that Harvey Norman are looking for someone in Cork are they eying up a new store I heard a rumour a while back that they were looking to buy the old Woodies Store??

    • #757608
      pier39
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      Todays Examiner has some splendid images of the proposed new development behind MAhers outdor shop near the Bus station. Importantly they seem to suggest that the old red brick chimney will be preserved. The article also suggest that a planning application will be made in the next few weeks for an office development in the listed building currently occuppied by Mahers.
      The development focused on in the article and images looks impressive. Modern but certainly following a form of the listed building to which it is adjacent. The incorporation of the chimney is crucial and I don’t know has it been done to my satisfaction, but that’s a personal opinion.


      got any pics of that new office development? any scans? i was kinda semi dreading this when i heard about it given that the eproject architects havent really impressed me so far. if anyone could get a scan it would be well sweet. im an irish times person myself sorry!!! hehe

      the chimney is very important i would have been really p***ed off if that was lost.

    • #757609
      corkhack
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      I see that O’sheas builders are starting work at the back of the wilton shopping centre is this more shops or offices because I know Tesco were turned down planning permission for a petrol station.

      What is happening with East Gate, Little Island I see that they are finnished a major building down there for a while but nobody seems to be moving in I thought Homebase were launching there at the beginningof the year have they pulled out with the number of DIY superstores in the city.

      Its the new library

    • #757610
      jungle
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      I see in the Examiner today that Harvey Norman are looking for someone in Cork are they eying up a new store I heard a rumour a while back that they were looking to buy the old Woodies Store??

      Noooooo!!!! Does that mean we’ll be getting their ads on local radio too… ๐Ÿ™

    • #757611
      A-ha
      Participant

      [font=Arial:3n9n6b7z]It was front page news on the Echo today, PC World and Currys are opening within the next few months in Mahon Point. I didn't even here rumours that they were opening up in Cork and what a shock I got when I saw it on the frontpage. Thats some good news for Mahon, should balance things out between there and Blackpool. Didn't here that Harvey Normans wanted to buy the old Woodies, but they want to open up 3 new stores in Ireland over the coming years. I've been in one or two of their shops in Australia, didn't think they were that great though.[/font:3n9n6b7z] ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757612
      lexington
      Participant

      Hello,

      and what beautifully depressing weather to return to. Ah well, home sweet home – albeit a very wet one. At least now I look like a lobster on a skewer. ๐Ÿ˜€

      Anyway,

      I hear interesting news came of Academy Street, Paul Street and Cornmarket Street while I was away. Must look up on that. Hope you’re all well.

      Also, I’ve taken on board what many of you have said, and I am looking into improving image qualities soon – so that blurry type images can be improved on, but it may be a few weeks away yet – but progress should be on the way.

    • #757613
      corcaighboy
      Participant

      great to have you back Lex. Seriously, this is a great site and thanks to you, RM, and all the regular posters, and to Paul at HQ. A great resource for info from afar. Just to let you know that it is certainly appreciated on my side of the pond.
      Interestingly, was looking at Cork and Dublin on Google Earth…seems like they have the major cities covered (partially at least). Well worth checking out if you guys get the chance.

    • #757614
      lexington
      Participant

      @corcaighboy wrote:

      great to have you back Lex. Seriously, this is a great site and thanks to you, RM, and all the regular posters, and to Paul at HQ. A great resource for info from afar. Just to let you know that it is certainly appreciated on my side of the pond.
      Interestingly, was looking at Cork and Dublin on Google Earth…seems like they have the major cities covered (partially at least). Well worth checking out if you guys get the chance.

      Thanks corcaighboy – that really does mean a lot, and I’m sure all those who so very importantly contribute to this thread and to the headhonchos that keep this site so valuably alive are always pleased and appreciative to hear such words! ๐Ÿ™‚

      I agree, the Google Earth resource is a most interesting resource – it may be a little out of date, but it certainly is addictive and wonderful to behold.

      The next few weeks and months look set to bring some very interesting developments and additions to the Cork architectural scene so I’m looking forward very much to seeing them evolve. Academy Street isn’t too far away with a lodgement believed to be set for late September/early October – plus plans to link the retail centres at Paul Street and Cornmarket Street look set to again be on the cards. You may remember a few months back I indicated that Paul Street SC was in line for a complete overhaul – well, from what I’ve heard since I returned, that indeed looks set to be true. As far as I know, and I am open to correction on this, 2008 looks set to be the completion date for the new linked and refurbished complexes in their entirety for Cornmarket, Paul and Academy Streets.



      Parnell Place Hotel Plan

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Also, I was delighted to hear that Monaghan-based Pitwood Ltd have lodged (at long last) their Further Information (Revised Plans) for the almost famous site at 17/18 Parnell Place and Beasley Street. The site, owned by Corbett Bros., saw plans lodged last December for a 5-storey, 121-bedroom hotel with underground car-park and basement spa. The plans for the luxury hotel saw Further Information requested of them last February by CCC – seeking an address on issues including those of height at the southern elevation and its impact on 93 South Mall (a PS). This site has been subject to numerous planning applications and left vacant for years – the big thing about it are the facades at Parnell Place (both PS) at No.17/18. An image is linked below and compliments of d_d_dallas – the site is to the rear and the development will tastefully incorporate these facades (after they receive badly needed treatment). I haven’t seen the Significant Further Information yet, as I was away, but I felt the original plan was good and hopefully the impact on 93 South Mall has been successfully addressed. Further Info was received on the 20th of July 2005 and has a due date set for the 16th of August 2005. Now, hopefully, long overdue work can begin on refurbishing the aforementioned facades. Niall Fitzsimons & Co. are the Consulting Engineers on the project.

      Parnell Place Facades – posted by d_d_dallas

    • #757615
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      Thanks corcaighboy – that really does mean a lot, and I’m sure all those who so very importantly contribute to this thread and to the headhonchos that keep this site so valuably alive are always pleased and appreciative to hear such words! ๐Ÿ™‚

      I agree, the Google Earth resource is a most interesting resource – it may be a little out of date, but it certainly is addictive and wonderful to behold.

      The next few weeks and months look set to bring some very interesting developments and additions to the Cork architectural scene so I’m looking forward very much to seeing them evolve. Academy Street isn’t too far away with a lodgement imminent – plus plans to link the retail centres at Paul Street and Cornmarket Street look set to again be on the cards. You may remember a few months back I indicated that Paul Street SC was in line for a complete overhaul – well, from what I’ve heard since I returned, that indeed looks set to be true. As far as I know, and I am open to correction on this, 2008 looks set to be the completion date for the new linked and refurbished complexes in their entirety for Cornmarket, Paul and Academy Streets.

      ocp are also looking to include the North Main Street shopping centre in their upgrade/academy street plans!

    • #757616
      altuistic
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      The next few weeks and months look set to bring some very interesting developments and additions to the Cork architectural scene so I’m looking forward very much to seeing them evolve. Academy Street isn’t too far away with a lodgement imminent – plus plans to link the retail centres at Paul Street and Cornmarket Street look set to again be on the cards. You may remember a few months back I indicated that Paul Street SC was in line for a complete overhaul – well, from what I’ve heard since I returned, that indeed looks set to be true. As far as I know, and I am open to correction on this, 2008 looks set to be the completion date for the new linked and refurbished complexes in their entirety for Cornmarket, Paul and Academy Streets.


      Yes i agree that this (Academy St) will be an “interesting” development as you put it, most certainly it could provide a very important element to the city centre but what i’ll be watching for in particular is the impact such a large building will have on such an important and historic quarter of our city. this huge building seems to be laced with and touching important architectural buildings like the steps outside that corner bar on Pana and is near the Crawford. Also the view from Emmett Place will be very visible and I am concerned that a poor design will adversely affect this area. I am counting heavily on a strong and good design is submitted. also the old Cork Examiner offices along Academy street are very unique and historic too, a little ugly, but the detail seems rare and important. The building such do its best to compliment them.

      as for the links? How exactly to the intendto link Academy street with Paul Street and Cornmarket street and Northmain street shopping centres??? Underground?? I cant imagine any over street links. This would be disastrous for the street scapes. Also if its underground especially from Paul street to Academy Street how could such a sensitive street area be affected? I would presume the link would go under Pauls Lane, maybe under Matthews centre (my son tells me they are seeking to redevelop soon? any truth in this?) and across to Academy Street? If this is the case this may explain why the corporation are hesitating to fix the awful road works damage that has plagued Half Moon Street for years. It was a lovely new pedestrian area and is now ripped up with cheap tarmac filling and potholes.

    • #757617
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ It would seem masterplans that were believed to have been assessed by the Ford Motor Co. for their 11-acre docklands site in the Marina Park area have been shelved and the land now (across the road to the north from the Munster Agricultural Showgrounds) looks set to be put on the market – this important site is expected to fetch in the region of 20m euros for the motor company and will offer any prospective developer one of the most important docklands site in Cork ever to hit the market. The development potential is huge and will require substantial investment – however educational/institutional uses have been touted. Of course this will be subject to negotiation. The site is one of the largest single land holdings in the central docklands area to come available.

    • #757618
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ It would seem masterplans that were believed to have been assessed by the Ford Motor Co. for their 11-acre docklands site in the Marina Park area have been shelved and the land now (across the road to the north from the Munster Agricultural Showgrounds) looks set to be put on the market – this important site is expected to fetch in the region of 20m euros for the motor company and will offer any prospective developer one of the most important docklands site in Cork ever to hit the market. The development potential is huge and will require substantial investment – however educational/institutional uses have been touted. Of course this will be subject to negotiation. The site is one of the largest single land holdings in the central docklands area to come available.

      This project would represent the end of an era for the Marina, away from manufacturing and onwards to bigger and better things.

      This area of the city has so much undeveloped potential… riverside walk, mature treescaped, an within easy reach of the city.

      Pity about the esb power plant though.

    • #757619
      lexington
      Participant

      @mickeydocs wrote:

      This project would represent the end of an era for the Marina, away from manufacturing and onwards to bigger and better things.

      This area of the city has so much undeveloped potential… riverside walk, mature treescaped, an within easy reach of the city.

      Pity about the esb power plant though.

      It would certainly be a vital step. CCC are currently tendering for consultants on preparation of a South Docklands Area Plan, similar to the one already published for the Northern Docklands. The successful developer for the Ford site will undoubtedly be subject to some of the guidelines CCC intend to initiate here – however, given empirical developments, I would hope they will afford imagination and flexibility with respect to this site in particular. As far as the South Docklands go, I think among the many important sites therein, Kennedy Quay (IAWS lands) and Marina Commercial Park, stand out. The ESB seem to have no intention of moving as far as can be seen – which is unfortunate from a development perspective – but clever architecture and client imagination will be able to minimise even ‘mask’ the unsightly power-station to some effect.



      Also, got my first look at Oyster Developments office development plans for Deane Street – only Phase 1 of the e-Project designed proposal of 7-storeys. In my own opinion, in does absolutely nothing for me, but that’s simply my belief. The northern elevation is merely a bland red-brick wall and I don’t think the project compliments No.8 Parnell Place – but before I decide my mind, I’ll await to see the full plans in Phase 2. I should have images up soon – not the good quality ones yet I’m afraid, that issue is still a work in progress I can assure you. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757620
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      wrt to ESB plant – I quite like it and think attempts to mask it should be resisted. It has the one downside of being an actual working power plant and therefore any expectations that the ESB will move any time soon are highly unrealistic (and against public interest).

    • #757621
      lexington
      Participant

      @d_d_dallas wrote:

      wrt to ESB plant – I quite like it and think attempts to mask it should be resisted. It has the one downside of being an actual working power plant and therefore any expectations that the ESB will move any time soon are highly unrealistic (and against public interest).

      I suppose I should have chosen my words more carefully – rather than the idea of ‘mask’ it, I should have more specifically outlined that I mean for any new developments that spring up around it, should incorporate as I said “clever architecture” to reduce the impact the new proposals may adversely attain from the power-station. Indeed d_d_dallas I can see the charm the plant sort of has – in a sort of really toned down Battersea way – and it has huge potential alternate uses in a redeveloped project which maintains the ‘hull’ – but to me, it still looks boxy. Point taken however. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757622
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      Battersea Liteรขโ€žยข

    • #757623
      lexington
      Participant

      @d_d_dallas wrote:

      Battersea Liteรขโ€žยข

      Here’s a link to a 360degree internall look-about of the power station – if anyone is interested. What I’m really hoping to find is an up-to-date image of the station as view from Horgan’s Quay, or better still the Lower Glanmire Road approach roach to the city centre. It should give a nice perspective of the power-station and its relationship to the docklands/city centre. It’ll also provide a view of one of Cork’s more interesting industrial building styles – as is quoted above, Battersea Lite :p – still ugly though!!! ๐Ÿ˜€

      If anyone has any images of the above before I get them, please post them, it would be well appreciated! Thanks!

    • #757624
      St Luke
      Participant

      Good to have you back, Lex. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      For what they are worth, here are some maps, illustrating distribution privately rented and public housing accomodation in the City according to the 2002 census.

      URL=http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=housesprivatelex4yf.jpg][/URL]

      Also a look at the public housing in the city –

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    • #757625
      lexington
      Participant
      St Luke wrote:
      Good to have you back, Lex. ]

      Thanks a million St Luke, and thanks for the graphs.

      It’s most interesting – and will make a very valuable and interesting comparison come the next Census. With the current level of activity in the Cork market, I’m anxious to see how things will have changed over the years. Could we be in for some surprises??? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Any predictions?

    • #757626
      lexington
      Participant

      This is in part a mix-match of extracts from the little ‘report’ I compiled called Cork: Has it’s time come? – I had hope to publish extracts from it over time – but as with anything like that, it was excessively long-winded, and unfortunately the news changes so fast its hard to keep it up-to-date. Also this section, concerning development in the city, is pretty routed in things like market forces and projections, lots of boring economic speak. I’m basically patching some of this together to tie-in with issues concerning the South Docklands, due to the increased volume of talk about it lately – especially with the announcement that the Ford site is coming up for sale and that another project is taking up shape very smartly.

      “…with Manor Park, Werdna and the like making powerful strides in the north docklands – the south docklands would seem to be formulating their own equally impressive ‘masterplans’…”

      “…almost hot off their City Quarter project, largely credited with kicking off the docklands rejuvenation symbolically – Howard Holdings are now preparing a masterplan for a large scale docklands vision which they intend to submit to the powers that be in Cork City Council…” [Howard Holdings have, since, actually submitted this plan. “…the plan sets the ambition bar high. Though details are not wholly clear at the time of writing, it is expected that should CCC take note of the plan, Howard intend to be heavily involved in the plans enactment giving them a powerful say in the shape and form that the southern docklands will take in the years to come,,,”

      “…of course there have been consistent rumours designed over the Munster Agricultural Showgrounds and Pairc Ui Chaoimh. The GAA indeed had looked (and it can only be assumed, are still noting) a hotel and stadium refurbishment plan. However, in the shadows it would seem even bigger plans may be afoot”

      “…Gerry Wycherly’s Marina Commercial Park offers a vital step in the rejuvenation of the docklands. Mr. Wycherly has involvement with Omnistone & Brooklyn Properties, who are involved in developing the highly successful Cork Airport Business Park. The Park is complex from a development perspective in many dimensions, not least the numerous tenants which occupy it and foundation issues…” “…but what could prove more interesting and perhaps earlier, is the nicely positioned 2-acre site to the west of Marina Commercial Park which sold quietly last year through Cohalan Downing & Associates for an estimated €8m…”

      There is more, but this post is long enough.

      Just note that this was written nearly 3-months ago and many details may need updating and alteration as new information has become available. Don’t take it too seriously, just as a bit of light reading and partial insight – I’ve tried to keep most of the info there-in based on information that has already in some part been allowed into the public domain. I will update any new or needed details when/if these projects come to fruition and alter them appropriately to comply with accuracy and any revelated transfigurations the projects may have endured in the time that has since gone. What’s important here is for you to be able to see the designs and ideas are being formulated for the area – and that these ideas will substantially alter this environment. Given their scale, strong architectural values must be stressed and met – their nature demands high quality and innovation.

    • #757627
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      @jungle wrote:

      Originally Posted by securityman
      I see in the Examiner today that Harvey Norman are looking for someone in Cork are they eying up a new store I heard a rumour a while back that they were looking to buy the old Woodies Store??

      Noooooo!!!! Does that mean we’ll be getting their ads on local radio too… ๐Ÿ™

      Word is they’re fitting out the old Woddies site on Kinsale Road… thats the rumour anyway…

    • #757628
      A-ha
      Participant

      [font=Arial:8hwqcj4q]When completed, will Eglington Street replace Cork County Hall as Ireland's tallest building, or is there some other building in Dublin going to steal the proud title???[/font:8hwqcj4q] :confused:

    • #757629
      redabbeyredux
      Participant

      From what I’ve read, the Eglinton Street tower will be taller than Cork County Hall, so if it gets built before some of those yokes proposed for Dublin, it will briefly have that title. I reckon that that location could take an even higher structure anyway, which would help to slim down the slightly squat appearance of the east and west elevations.

    • #757630
      lexington
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      [font=Arial:1migufx2]When completed, will Eglington Street replace Cork County Hall as Ireland's tallest building, or is there some other building in Dublin going to steal the proud title???[/font:1migufx2] :confused:

      Eglinton Street will top 70m – whereas the newly revamped Cork County Hall will edge just above its current 66m in height.

      Paul Keogh’s Tall Building planned for the OPW project at Heuston Gate is 32 storeys and is expected to touch on 117m – I’m not clear on the construction dates for this project. If Eglinton Street is completed prior to the Dublin projects it should become the country’s tallest building – however it should be noted that Eglinton Street & Water Street are not the only high-rise plans for Cork and Eglinton Street is not the tallest planned (that is of course unless other proposals are to face alterations or are simply not proceeded with),

    • #757631
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      OPW 32 storey will be the tallest (by far) but project unlikely to proceed for years. Note 100m planned for point village and south docks so Eglinton (and indeed County Hall) will feature far down any list. Assuming Eglinton commences in near future it will have the crown for a while.

    • #757632
      A-ha
      Participant

      [font=Arial:2ww910eb]Oh my god, I've never heard of a building in Cork topping 100m. Can someone give me more info. about the other “high” rise projects of the city. I've only heard of the names but thought they were like some urban myth or something. Where are they going to be built if/when they get the go ahead (or have they already recieved the green light, I cudda been living like a hermet under a rock while all these projects came about)?? And sorry if ye gotta repeat what I missed out on.[/font:2ww910eb] :confused:

    • #757633
      lexington
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      [font=Arial:2a5vzk5u]Oh my god, I've never heard of a building in Cork topping 100m. Can someone give me more info. about the other “high” rise projects of the city. I've only heard of the names but thought they were like some urban myth or something. Where are they going to be built if/when they get the go ahead (or have they already recieved the green light, I cudda been living like a hermet under a rock while all these projects came about)?? And sorry if ye gotta repeat what I missed out on.[/font:2a5vzk5u] :confused:

      A-ha I think d_d_dallas was actually referring to the projects in Dublin not Cork. The high-rise projects in Cork that have been through or in planning are O’Flynn Construction’s Eglinton Street project which rises 17-storeys and is 70m – this Wilson Architecture designed project has been greenlit by CCC. Images are located in this thread and in the Look at de State of Cork, like! thread also. Images can also be found there of the Murray O’Laoire designed project for Water Street by Werdna Limited – this 17-storey tower rises 56m and is currently in appeal after CCC conditioned out the tower.

      Additional high-rise plans for Cork are in the pipeline with the docklands being the focus. I will update you on those when the respective developers decide to go public with them – if they do that is. Manor Park may have something interesting at Horgan’s Quay. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

      Other proposals that have been put before Cork have been a 59m 15-storey tower by O’Brien & O’Flynn Ltd designed by Dennehy + Dennehy Designs which had been proposed for Silversprings in Tivoli. The tower was refused by both CCC and on appeal to ABP.

      Hope that clarifies any confusion. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757634
      A-ha
      Participant

      [font=Arial:qmov11i1]Thanks for the info. Yeah, thought buildings in excess of 100m was too good to be true for Cork. Shame the Water Street development was changed, I prefered it when the tower was in the middle, it looked more symetrical and very classy. Another botched job by the planning authorities! It looks very similar if not identical to some apartments that were built in London's docklands last year (don't ask me the name, I'm after forgetting).
      And whats this I read in the Echo today…… Cork's two airbridges still in consideration by the DAA, fools. Maybe their plan is to turn Cork into a little regional airport like Waterford or Sligo so we'll be forced to use Dublin Airport to leave the country. What will the people from New York think when they arrive into Cork airport only having to find they have to sprint across the tarmac! First world country, third class facilities!
      [/font:qmov11i1] ๐Ÿ˜ก

    • #757635
      sw101
      Participant

      oh mein eyes.

    • #757636
      lexington
      Participant

      @sw101 wrote:

      oh mein eyes.

      Ach mein leibe! Yeah some pretty funky colours there! :p But at least it livens the text up a little. Why not! (Kind of ‘Swinging Seventies London-ish’ don’t you think? ๐Ÿ˜€ )

      @A-ha wrote:

      Thanks for the info. Yeah, thought buildings in excess of 100m was too good to be true for Cork. Shame the Water Street development was changed, I prefered it when the tower was in the middle, it looked more symetrical and very classy. Another botched job by the planning authorities! It looks very similar if not identical to some apartments that were built in London’s docklands last year (don’t ask me the name, I’m after forgetting).
      And whats this I read in the Echo today…… Cork’s two airbridges still in consideration by the DAA, fools. Maybe their plan is to turn Cork into a little regional airport like Waterford or Sligo so we’ll be forced to use Dublin Airport to leave the country. What will the people from New York think when they arrive into Cork airport only having to find they have to sprint across the tarmac! First world country, third class facilities!

      I agree Water Street was more symmetrical in its original form – I also think the design was a little more fussy, but not in a strictly negative sense. Either way, the revised form isn’t all that bad either. I think it’s a good scheme, I take the CCC point about the repetitiveness of the scheme, in most cases I would agree, but I think in the individual context of this scheme, it is actually suited and hence Water Street does seem to work in a nice way. I wholly agree about creating distinctive landmark buildings, and a point has been made that any highrise must be of a strong and complimentary aesthetic nature, I endorse that – I loathe the idea of monotonous highrise blocks which supposedly given skyline distinction based on their height. I don’t buy that, if a highrise is going to be proposed, it has to earn its right to add to the skyline in terms of strong, distinctive aesthetics. I still feel the nautical looking Water Street scheme works – but we’ll see how the appeal works out.

      Also, regarding height, I don’t think we should look at the height of a building as being a reason for joy, it should more be the nature of its design we should look at. Indeed I agree and support the promotion of some highrise in the docklands area – I think the city stands to earn no harm from a little skyline distinction – but as said before, the building must be judged on the quality of its design and usage first and foremost. A building could be 120m for all I care, but if it doesn’t add positively, it shouldn’t add at all.

      I think with each new project, better standards need to keep being pressed. Eglinton Street and Water Street seem to have been a positive start, but it can’t stop there. Hopefully, the docklands development will support this ideology increasingly so as it unfolds.

      Also, I agree the airport does need airbridges. Yes I know about Ryanair and Aer Lingus – but I don’t think that should be the issue at heart. I was literally soaked through to the skin from the run between aircraft and terminal the other day after arriving home! Shannon seems to be getting another 3 airbridges interestingly enough. From what I do know, despite the chat, Cork will be getting its 2 airbridges with an option on a 3rd and 4th, at the CAA’s expense in the future.

    • #757637
      jackwade
      Participant

      Lex, forgive my ignorance, but what is the stadium located to the right of the highlighted docklands site? Is it Pairc Ui Chaoimh or Turner’s Cross? Or something else? It’s really been bugging me.

    • #757638
      lisam
      Participant

      @jackwade wrote:

      Lex, forgive my ignorance, but what is the stadium located to the right of the highlighted docklands site? Is it Pairc Ui Chaoimh or Turner’s Cross? Or something else? It’s really been bugging me.

      It’s Pairc Ui Chaoimh

    • #757639
      corcaighboy
      Participant

      Speaking of Turner’s Cross, the Munster FA just got funding for the re-development of the ground. This mainly involves rdemolotion of the exisiting structure and changing rooms at the Shed End and roofing the St. Anne’s end. The drawings are available for download/viewing from the Cork City FC site http://corkcityfc.ie/home.htm.
      Not the most inspiring of designs, but I guess to someone who spent many a rain-sodden Sunday afternoon standing on a muddy grass bank at ‘the Box’ all those years ago, it is a mighty improvement!
      Functional is proabbly the best way to desribe it. Will bring the ground up to 7,000 all seated capacity once complete. Presently the Shed End is a terrace and thus not open when City play European matches. I do hope, however, that the seats are laid out in such a way that there is some degree of leg-room. The seats at the St. Anne’s end are great if you are a mouse!

    • #757640
      A-ha
      Participant

      [font=Arial:w8gt124f]Ich bin sehr erbรƒยคrmlich, wenn mein farbenfreudiges Schreiben Ihren Augen nicht anpasst, aber ich versuche, einer Konversation ein Licht zu bringen.
      Glad ye all noticed, thx lex, I was going for the Carnaby Street boho look alright. As long as we get our 2 airbridges, I'm happy! The CAA has no problem forcing the DAA to pay for these new air bridges, but I doubt the third and fourth will come as easily as the CAA themsleves will have to pay for them.
      Es tut ich Leid, den mein Deutsch nicht gut ist. (Sorry my German isn't any good).[/font:w8gt124f]
      :rolleyes:

    • #757641
      A-ha
      Participant

      [font=Arial:1awng546]And it just clicked to me, why am I the only one using colours….. it isn't the middle ages you know, we're allowed to bring light to a conversation without being flogged by the local church for having some amount of fun! Lets make the other forums envious of us!![/font:1awng546] ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    • #757642
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      [font=Arial:2s6qesyq]Ich bin sehr erbรƒยคrmlich, wenn mein farbenfreudiges Schreiben Ihren Augen nicht anpasst, aber ich versuche, einer Konversation ein Licht zu bringen.
      Glad ye all noticed, thx lex, I was going for the Carnaby Street boho look alright. As long as we get our 2 airbridges, I'm happy! The CAA has no problem forcing the DAA to pay for these new air bridges, but I doubt the third and fourth will come as easily as the CAA themsleves will have to pay for them.
      Es tut ich Leid, den mein Deutsch nicht gut ist. (Sorry my German isn't any good).[/font:2s6qesyq]
      :rolleyes:

      It’s better than mine, Halt Swine-hunt!!! Auchtung etc…… ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757643
      lexington
      Participant

      Well as I promised, here are some images of the Oyster Developments plan for Deane Street, which forms part 1 of a 2 phase initiative. The 7-storey office development is designed by Sabine Wittman of The e-Project and is ultimately expected to house up to 50,000sq ft of office space. Interestingly, David Crowe’s Oyster Developments originally planned a 16-storey office building/tower (I kid you not) for the site – however consequent of discussions with City Manager Joe Gavin, the site was deemed unsuitable. The plan had been to shift the focus away from Merchant’s Quay S.C. and the Bus Station nearby as the main source of visual contact on the eastern end of the city centre island. However, Oyster and Mount Kennett Investments may indeed be seeking to develop a high-rise structure elsewhere (and not too far away geographically) at some point in the future – supposedly. Should the project be greenlit, Lisney are expected to handle sales. The building from what I understand, will either be sold whole, or on a floor-by-floor basis.

      The 1st Image views the development from Parnell Place/Anderson’s Quay.

      The 2nd Image provides a perspective of the Northern Elevation, facing the Bus Station, from Clontarf Street.

      The final image is kinked I’m afraid, my own fault for not properly flattening the image during the scan. But it offers a perspective nonetheless from Clontarf Street-City Quarter looking toward the development’s Eastern elevation. This will ultimately be masked by DAT Partnerships’ CentrePoint designed by Daniel Luxton of Coughlan de Keyser, whose site can been seen in the foreground.

      My own personal opinion? Well, I welcome the development, but I question its design and relation to the protected structures at No.8 Parnell Place (which can be seen in the 1st image) and the former industrial chimney to the south of this project. The northern elevation is excessively bland and dominating with its red-brick/(sandstone homage?) facade facing the Bus Station. But, in the interests of fairness, I’ll seize my judgement until I see the full scheme – including Phase 2.



      ๐Ÿ˜€ I have been plaguing certain individuals regarding Manor Park Homes (MPH) plans for Horgan’s Quay, in conjunction with CIE. Persons involved with รขโ€šยฌ500m redevelopment project I think are finally ready to flip, so to shut me up, they have been releasing some tid-bits on their plans for me to post up on this thread. I should hope, that in the time leading up to the planning application, I may be able to afford you more details – all subject. The planning date is now earmarked for September/October of this year – I’ll let you know if that changes in the meantime.



      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ I can’t remember who asked this sometime ago, but it just hit me that I never answered – it was a question regarding the due date for the Water Street appeal, well ABP’s earmarked date is September 19th 2005 for anyone interested.



      :rolleyes: Also, just re: image qualities – the equipment I want to get is on the market next week so I’ll see what the story is then. It would indeed be nice to upgrade the quality.

    • #757644
      fkearney
      Participant

      It was announced this afternoon (27 July 2005) that the Lewis Glucksman Gallery has been shortlisted for the Stirling Prize.

      William Hill are offering 7-2 odds.

      The shortlist includes six buildings including Zaha Hadidรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs BMW factory in Germany and the new Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh. More on this story on Guardian homepagehttp://society.guardian.co.uk/urbandesign/story/0,11200,1537128,00.html

      The Lewis Glucksman Gallery is the RIAI Best Public Building in Ireland 2005

      RIBA 2005 Award winner in European category

      2005 Project of the Year, UK Buildings Services Awards

    • #757645
      pier39
      Participant

      good for the glucksman! the plan should be to get the city’s name up into those nominations more often!

      im not as technically apt as some of the feckin whizzs on here so my pic above aint great but i cant say this is a pretty creature. this is the oyster developments office building for dean st on the old obrien premises right??? look at the chimney (my skills in full show as i highlight it with a circle), its totally dominated by the new block. and whats with all the brick? faceless. dont know about this. even after consultations when my yang-yang spirtual guide thing and all that, im finding it hard to give it my love. is it too plain or something? the chimney seems lost, like its trying to scrap or climb up the side of the wall of the new building to get some sunshine. arent there some houses just to the south of this? and a adult shop…not that i know anything about that…or have a tab with the place. ๐Ÿ˜€ hey its natural to be curious anyway! i know a few of the houses and the adult store have been the subject of some big buys lately. could it be oyster on a spree again with some further intentions? or someone else? anyone?

      also may i just add in the spirit of all this german that ich hatte eine sehr gestรƒยถrte kindheit und ich versuche noch, รƒยผber ihr zu erhalten, followed by my deepest arnold schwarzenegger laugh – ha – ha – ha.! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757646
      A-ha
      Participant

      Sorry about your disturbed childhood pier39, i’m glad to see your trying to cheer yourself up with laughter ha ha ha. I like that Oyster building thingy, it looks as if it will suit the area, it’s a contrast with that white canopy (which looks to be going brownish now) at the bus depo. Gotta go to Tesco, I’ll be back! (Gawd, its Arnie night tonight)

    • #757647
      BEETLE
      Participant

      Hi there, any idea what the commercial unit will be used for in the Frinailla’s Victoria Cross development? I have to say, I’m a bit taken aback by the overall height seeing as the last planning application for site was granted permission for 5 storeys, and with the condition of some apartments and roof terrace to be removed…any opinion on this.? Much appreciated by enquiring student with a lot to learn![/font] @lexington wrote:

      You will remember earlier (back in the LADSOCL thread) a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.

      In my opinion, a generally quality project – its seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.

    • #757648
      lexington
      Participant

      @BEETLE wrote:

      [font=Arial Black:3m0xrb7i]Hi there, any idea what the commercial unit will be used for in the Frinailla's Victoria Cross development? I have to say, I'm a bit taken aback by the overall height seeing as the last planning application for site was granted permission for 5 storeys, and with the condition of some apartments and roof terrace to be removed…any opinion on this.? Much appreciated by enquiring student with a lot to learn![/font:3m0xrb7i]

      Personally, I’m not really put out by the height when considered in an empirical context. The general height of buildings under development is not far off this project – and the prospect of further development at the adjoining Top Car site to the north and speculative redevelopment of the Cork Farm Centre (HSE offices) to the south, not forgetting Frinailla’s other plans to at Dennehy’s Cross. I think this route can accommodate such buildings but I would generally feel that any development approaching the residential areas near Dennehy’s Cross must be toned down. This height of building at this location would be unsuitable. The big thing with Robert White’s plans for a student development at the site, in a former application of 100-bedroom over 17-apartments at 5-storeys was indeed overshadowing. My memory of this application is not as precise as I’d like it to be, but if I remember correctly, the project exhibited a roof garden which allowed for overlooking back onto residencies at Ashbrook and Orchard Road. As far as I know, any terraces/balconies in the subject development are generally west facing onto Victoria Cross Road. In the 2003 application 2 units at the 4th floor were removed indeed from Kevin O’Keefe’s design – I personally feel the Frinailla design is a little better and though it peaks on 7-storeys, it doesn’t do so to any excessive effect. The adjoining development prospects at Top Car and Cork Farm Centre were not speculated at the time of the 2003 application, neither was the Justin Canty site now under development by Aras Developments. In that context, the Robert White plan was very imposing and did standout. I would posit that planners will address the Frinailla plan with a strategic outlook. As for the commercial unit, I don’t know what the intended usage is for sure beyond speculation. What are your own feelings on the design?

    • #757649
      corcaighboy
      Participant

      A quick snapshot of the 6 nominees for the Stirling Prize on the following link. http://society.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,9730,1537169,00.html

    • #757650
      ooshi
      Participant

      Anyone have pics of the รขโ€šยฌ100m Dairygold commercial and retail development in Mallow? ๐Ÿ™‚ would be much obliged!

    • #757651
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      I dont know about anyone else but do you ever look forward to hearing about the next big project for the c ity? You know those ones that get you really excited???? For me I think the last one was Paul kenny’s plan for St. patricks qy or the other plan for Clontarf street.

      I’m looking forward to hearing what is proposed for Horgans quay and also that site that sold recently for what I read at least was 8 million on Alberts quay. Maybe because with a development planned there it will given the area both sides of the river a full developed frontage. Also the Reliance building plans will be interesting. Hope they include the sports shop there and the surrounding properties. it will be really interesting to see if they do something with the Simon community centre next door as well. It should be a really good design to mark the beginning of Clontarf st too. Anyone else got anything theyre looking forward too??

      Hope the Gluckman gallery does well. When it was being built i kept thinking it was the biggest waste of money considering the college was already short of funds and staff had to be messed about with to sort out funding. The college was short something like 9 million and the gallery cost 11m. I dont know how utilised it is by students, I only ever took a look around to see what all the talk was about twice. But now that its there its a nice addition to the college and the city I think. Maybe the gallery will recoup its value in the future and maybe contribute to the college.

    • #757652
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      Um… isn’t the Glucksman called after Lewis Glucksman for a reason? I don’t think the รขโ€šยฌ11m was borne exclusively by the University.

      ps That Deane St proposal? Not too sure. Destined to become street wall paper when (if) the other proposals in the vicinty kick off.

    • #757653
      altuistic
      Participant

      Am i wrong in saying that the gallery was named in honour of Mr Glucksman because of the donation made on his behalf to the university to assist in the completion of the second phase of the O’Rahilly building. The funding for the gallery was made from the universitys own resources, a grant from the dept of Education and Arts, Culture and the Islands, plus other sources. ?

    • #757654
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/magazine/2004/1009/3640492252MG0910GLUCK.html

      Amazing space

      ARCHITECTURE: Cork’s new gallery is a work of art itself. Gemma Tipton meets Loretta Glucksman, who, with her husband Lewis, has given Ireland this extraordinary building.

      Third-generation Irish-American, Loretta Brennan Glucksman divides her time between Ireland and the US. A prominent supporter of Irish cultural studies, she is in Cork to celebrate the opening of the new รขโ€šยฌ10 million art gallery, which bears her husband’s name. I asked her why it is that, in Ireland, the visual arts have always lagged behind literature, music and theatre in terms of profile and international recognition. One of the reasons, she suggests, was purely practical. “It has to do with the ease of transmission, and economics; people could support themselves by playing an instrument or telling stories.”

      Loretta is something of an expert when it comes to Irish culture and its economic basis. Chairwoman of the American Ireland Fund, she is also founding patron, with her husband Lewis, of Glucksman Ireland House, the centre for Irish Studies at New York University. Located at the bottom of Fifth Avenue, Glucksman Ireland House is a small Victorian mews house, sitting in incongruous defiance of the skyscrapers that rise up to define the avenues of Manhattan.

      There is a disparity, too, between the kind of Ireland that Irish-Americans expect to find when they come to this country, and the reality of our rapidly changing culture. Irish Studies departments in American universities focus on literature, traditional music, and social and political history. Loretta describes the “ephemeral link that Irish-Americans feel with the land of their forebears, in many cases a land they have never even visited themselves. Irish culture provides Irish-Americans with a link to their own histories.”

      In fact, it also represents a kind of cultural security blanket, an unchanging place of traditional values, and literary lyricism.

      Contemporary visual art tends not to fit comfortably into this mould and is low on the Irish Studies agenda, despite the fact that artists such as Sean Scully, James Coleman and Patrick Ireland, for example, have attained such international status and acclaim.

      So why have the Glucksmans now sponsored this new contemporary art gallery here? “The short answer,” Loretta laughs, “is that Lew had already done a library [at University of Limerick]. But seriously,” she adds, “in the past number of years, Lew has become increasingly interested in contemporary Irish artists, and visual art is a beautiful way to learn about the country and its culture.”

      Set in a linear park on the banks of the river Lee, the Lewis Glucksman Gallery has been designed by architects O’Donnell & Tuomey. It will be opened next week by President Mary McAleese, nearly three months ahead of the official commencement of Cork’s year as European Capital of Culture.

      It is an instantly striking building, and yet one which pulls off the tricky feat of both blending in with, and standing out from, its surroundings. So how have the architects managed it? How does this 2,000 sq-metre building not so much fit into, as belong to its surroundings, when so many other attempts at contemporary architecture seem to stamp so aggressively on their sites?

      The traps into which many of our more recent buildings have stumbled, seem often to have been created by a lack of confidence. Complicated by a lingering ambivalence to the built legacy of the period of British rule here, we have struggled to define exactly what our architectural heritage actually looks like. Urban planning policies limiting the heights of buildings in our cities have also led to blocks which appear as failed skyscrapers, cut off at the knees, their heavy bases clumsy with nothing to support. In other instances, a misplaced urge to “fit in” results in faรƒยงades which bear no relationship to the spaces behind them, or in pick-and-mix architectural features glued onto buildings – architraves, columns and cartouches. Architecturally speaking, we seem to have no more idea of what contemporary Ireland is really like than do those Irish Studies students who look to this country for a Celtic Twilight land of Riverdance made flesh.

      The design of the Lewis Glucksman Gallery represents a more grown-up Ireland; a country where the first question is now “what do we want?” rather than “what do others want from us?”

      Architects O’Donnell & Tuomey’s ongoing transformation of a former industrial school into the Furniture College at Letterfrack, Co Galway, is a project which has won them acclaim at this year’s Venice Architectural Biennale, where they are currently representing Ireland. Among their previous projects, they have also designed the Gallery of Photography and the Irish Film Institute, both in Temple Bar.

      The new gallery is an instantly arresting construction. From the outside, it seems to be part a series of limestone and glass boxes, twisting around a central axis, and part a massive curving wooden structure, cantilevered out from the main building, and resting lightly on slender stilts. Ireland has never seen a space quite like it for looking at art.

      One of the reasons it sits into its site so well is that it sidesteps the obvious route of building low along the river bank. As John Tuomey puts it, “if you build horizontally across the site, you extinguish the very site that you have chosen to protect.” Instead, the building occupies a relatively small “footprint”, and acts as a focal point for the park, rather than an obliteration of it.

      The architects took the surrounding mature trees as a reference for the height of the building, and care was taken to preserve them, consequently avoiding that barren look that so many new developments suffer. Use of materials also works in the building’s favour, with the lower levels defined by limestone, and the upper areas in American oak. The same separation continues inside, and while this may seem like an architectural conceit, it actually works to give a harmonious sense of space and presence. Horizontally, a flight of steps leads to the podium on which the galleries stand and where the restaurant is sited, and then flows away again down to the river, where a bridge is planned to link the gallery to the road beyond the campus.

      Purpose-built contemporary art galleries are relatively rare in Ireland. In Dublin, there are the Douglas Hyde Gallery, the Royal Hibernian Academy, and various spaces in Temple Bar. Then there are the multi-use venues, such as Draรƒยญocht in Blanchardstown, An Grianรƒยกn in Letterkenny, and the Island Arts Centre in Lisburn, where the galleries share space and facilities with theatres, workshops and studios. When it comes to building art galleries and museums, however, many of our spaces (such as the Irish Museum of Modern Art) are conversions, dictated to by the templates of historic buildings.

      In fact, our idea of what art galleries ought to look like comes from the original meaning of the word gallery: the connecting apartments and offices in such grand buildings as the Louvre, the Uffizi and the Vatican, which even before their conversion to art museums were decoratively hung with portraits, paintings, and sculptures. These sequential spaces allowed museum curators to hang their collections in chronological order, telling stories of art history or antiquity which generally led the visitor to the conclusion that the present society represented the culmination and apotheosis of civilisation.

      In terms of the history of art spaces, the first great breaks from this tradition came in Vienna with the Secession Building (the original “white cube”) at the end of the 19th century; and then with the spiral rotunda of the Guggenheim Museum in New York in the 1950s. The Guggenheim is exciting, as is its much younger sister, the Guggenheim Bilbao, but while they may pull in the tourists, innovative shapes and spaces just aren’t as conducive to hanging, and looking at, works of art as are the plain white cubes.

      Here, O’Donnell + Tuomey’s building is different again. Apart from a pair of central cubed spaces (two jewel boxes which are climate-controlled to facilitate the showing of the most valuable pieces), the larger galleries, one on each of the building’s two upper floors, wrap around the core of the structure. In each, the external walls are curved, their sweep being punctuated with windows.

      The reactionary in me asks: why change something that works? And yet, the nature of art has changed from that which was shown in those early galleries, the ones that defined how we think art spaces ought to look. We inherited the form of an art gallery, without ever really questioning how it should, or may, change over time.

      Loretta agrees. “I love the National Gallery, and I do think there’s so much to be gained from that model, but I don’t think it’s the only one.”

      At the Glucksman, there is a mould-breaking flavour to the architecture which encourages you to think: here is a place where I can see things differently, here is a place where my ideas about art – or how I relate to it – will be challenged; an un-boxlike gallery, where one can think outside of the box.

      In many ways, I will always love pristine art spaces where there is nothing to see but the art itself, and yet I welcome this experimentation. The Glucksman allows visitors to make their own routes through, and associations within each exhibition; it won’t always be perfect for looking at all kinds of art, and yet when it does work, the particularly beautiful qualities of light and movement in the galleries will really sing.

      The different form of the Lewis Glucksman Gallery creates a place in which the ways we read art and culture can be examined and reassessed. This is an idea which the gallery’s director, Dr Fiona Kearney (wrongly described as curator in last week’s Irish Times Magazine), plans to exploit for the programme, offering the opportunity for artists to work on collaborative projects with the various academic departments at UCC. “One of Lew’s dreams,” says Loretta, “was to help create an institution where ideas could be fully explored.”

      The opening of the gallery, next Friday, will feature a series of Dรƒยผrer etchings, as well as an exhibition of American painting drawn from the New York University collection. These include works by Willem de Kooning, Philip Guston, Grace Hartigan, Ad Reinhardt, Jim Dine and Robert Rauschenberg. The show intends to challenge accepted notions of American contemporary art history.

      Next year will see 40 Shades of Green, a reassessment of Irish art and design; while curator of exhibitions and projects Renรƒยฉ Zechlin, originally from the Frankfurter Kunstverein, will be working on Investigations, a series of projects with six international artists.

      Supported also by donations from generous sources, including the Sisk family, the Lewis Glucksman Gallery is an intellectually as well as architecturally challenging place. It has already been nominated for the prestigious European Union Prize for Contemporary Architecture, the Mies van der Rohe Award.

      The Lewis Glucksman Gallery opens on October 15th, on the UCC campus

    • #757655
      sw101
      Participant

      paul could you paste that article in here? i can’t get into that site

    • #757656
      macm
      Participant

      will post up picture of the mallow/dariygold venture tomorrow. pretty impressive from images on front of echo on tuesday nite.

    • #757657
      lexington
      Participant

      Keep your eye off it for one second and it gets granted! ๐Ÿ˜€

      O’Flynn Construction have been granted planning by Cork County Council for the development of over 527 houses on the 63.7-acres of land to the rear of Dunkettle House (bounded to the west by the Dunkettle Estuary). Originally, the plan consisted of having over 600 houses on the land, but the รขโ€šยฌ220m project was conditioned out of 100 houses by planners in their 65 or so attached conditions. The house and its immediate surrounding lands will be retained and refurbished for use as a visitor centre among other things. A horse-riding facility, sports grounds and leisure facility will also be provided.

      Anyone who reads my posts regarding this sort of development will know I’m not very in favour of seeing old country estates lost over to more housing estate developments but at least some proportions of lands around the house remain preserved which I feel is very important.



      ๐Ÿ˜‰ By the way, just an update on a report Tommy Barker had today (29th July 2005) regarding Butlers Irish Chocolates – the location of their store is believed to be at the former Buckley Bros store/cafe on Oliver Plunkett Street. Edward Moriarty and Butlers had been in discussions for sometime and Mr. Moriarty even went so far as to seek planning on facade alterations to allow for Butlers Chocolates signage (which may be specifically sought in a subsequent application I believe – up for correction on that). Unless Butlers have sought a different location since that I’m not aware of – thats the intended location. Buckley Bros store actually possesses considerable expansion room to the rear of the seating area in the cafe section. The store was the subject of discussion of the “architecture of cork city ” thread not so long ago, specifically its vitrolite facade.



      d_d_dallas – what do you mean by ‘wallpaper’ exactly re: the Deane Street project? :confused: Wallpaper can be pretty or ugly? Or just un-noticed? ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757658
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      can it be ugly and un-noticed at the same time?!?

    • #757659
      fkearney
      Participant

      Thanks to Archiseek for hosting this discussion and for all the good wishes to the Glucksman.

      FYI, the Glucksman’s capital costs were funded by a number of private donors, some of whom wish to remain anonymous. The Glucksmans and Sisk family have building and one of gallery spaces named after them respectively.

      The programme funding for the Glucksman is provided from a number of sources including Arts Council.

      Since opening on 15 October, we have had 55,000 visitors (projected visitor numbers for the year were originally 40,000). 5000 of those are children in dedicated art workshops and courses – a key aim of the Glucksman is to introduce primary and second level students to visual culture. Many of the schools have little or no tradition of placing students in third level, the Glucksman may contribute to changing things a little in that regard.

      Check out our website for information on current shows, projects and events.

      Or help us win the BBC online poll by voting for us at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4722143.stm

      Fiona Kearney
      Director, Lewis Glucksman Gallery

    • #757660
      Pana01
      Participant

      A report on yesterday’s Examiner stated that the busman’s hut on Patrick Street will remain there until at least September, as new plans for it’s replacement were not yet ready. It was described as an ugly eyesore.
      Can anybody out there tell me why we need a hut on Patrick Street at all? Surely these busmen could have been housed at the redeveloped bus station at Parnell Place, which must be all of 2 minutes walk from the Statue. What value is it adding, by having it in the middle of our most prestigious street? Any time I walk past, the lads are having a chat and making tea. I can’t recall seeing a similar farce on O’Connell Street, Oxford Street or the Champs-Elysees. Someone at City Hall should have the balls to stand up to these busmen, and just demolish the thing.

      Does anyone have any civic pride left??

    • #757661
      pier39
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      Sorry about your disturbed childhood pier39, i’m glad to see your trying to cheer yourself up with laughter ha ha ha.

      thanks a-ha, im just taking it one day at a time!!!! ๐Ÿ˜€

      now i know not to take urban legend to seriously and i know this thread (or its older sister) dealt with it before but i keep hearing bad news about debenhams in mahon pt – and something to do with penneys replacing it or somewhat? i just keep thinkin no smoke without fire…..anyone know anything??? (lex???)

      by the way if anyones interested my firm (well, not mine, i wish i just work there on occassion – well until they find out im hoarding the comapny pens! hehe) are actively involved in a little known kennedy qy site. its been goin on for a while now and things seem to be pretty positive. ooooo! exciting! i luv when my borthday comes early. hehe

      pana01 as for the busman bin yeah its annoying but if its got to do with any state body it always takes ages. at least we know itll be replaced. but tis true tis ugly tis true.

    • #757662
      lexington
      Participant

      On the 14th of July 2005, I posted information stating that Declan O’Mahony’s BrideView Developments had purchased the 6-acre lands of Jeremiah Lynch at Ballinaspig Mor near Bishopstown. These lands had FPP for 123 residential units designed by Murray O’Laoire. The site was guiding at รขโ€šยฌ10m euro and was being sold through Irish & European.

      I now wish to correct that post – as the land concerned was confused for a nearby site (in 2 lots of predominantly non-residentially zoned land and which was suspect to believed BrideView interest) also guiding at approximately รขโ€šยฌ10m and also sold through Irish & European. The site by Jeremiah Lynch was subject to a deal with St. Patrick’s Hospital who will now seek planning for a 100,000sq ft development containing a 75-bed hospital, 44-bed hospice and a seperate 10,000sq ft convent. The developments will be between 2 and 3-storeys and contain full amenity landscaping.

      The information attained by me was from that of a media source close to one of the developers in question and I posted the information without verifying it independently myself – worse, the particular source had provided inaccurate info to me previously (which I had assessed myself and decided not to post in the end) – so I should have known better anyway. The source will in future not be used for any information unless I have scrutinised first myself. Apologises, for a very genuine mistake and genuine confusion between 2 close proximity and similar sales. It won’t happen again.

      Hey, you can’t win them all. But to make up for it, I will hopefully be letting you know details of a new city development due for lodgement shortly.



      Also thanks to another gentleman for informing me of some more accurate details on the above subject about 2 weeks ago. Thanks!

    • #757663
      A-ha
      Participant

      awww, i hope debenhams don’t close (espically if it’s to make way for a pennys), they got really nice stuff and it’s competiton for brown thomas. anyone hear anything else about when pc world and currys are moving into mahon point, any dates pencilled in??:confused:

    • #757664
      A-ha
      Participant

      sorry, should replace :confused: with a ๐Ÿ˜Ž you’ll need ’em to read last message!

    • #757665
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ As previously posted, in the LADSOCL thread, Lush will be opening a store in Cork – the location is destined for 96 Oliver Plunkett Street (former In House store). A planning application has been lodged with CCC for associated signage and store alterations with a due date expected for the 21st September 2005. The interior of this particular building is actually of some significant note (particularly the upper floors) and it’ll be interesting to how the alterations affect or do not affect the building. It may simply be a makeover.



      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Paul Kenny’s The Treasury office development for the Revenue Commissioners at St. Patrick’s Quay is scheduled for a due date of August 8th 2005 (as posted previously). The revised plans, which were submitted on July 11th 2005, have effectively reorganised building floorspace layouts. The project once consisted of 2 linked buildings fronting 4-5 storeys at St. Patrick’s Quay and 6-7 storeys on the Lower Glanmire Road – the revised plans have altered the design little and now consist of 2 linked buildings peaking at 6-storeys each. Basement car-parking spaces (across 2 levels) have also been reduced as previously mentioned. Michael Lynch is the planner responsible and it is generally believed CCC have found favour with the design – though some questions were raised over the impact on the PS facades at St. Patrick’s Quay. A positive decision is hoped for. It is believed, that should the OPW designate the development as the successful candidate for the RC in September (assuming no appeal follows – no additional submissions were lodged by An Taisce in response to the FI lodged, however both BellScott Engineering & the McLaughlin Family lodged further objections – they must be pretty miffed), work is expected to commence almost immediately with a tight completion date set for late 2007.



      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Carew Kelly’s design for the Aldi Stores Development at Tory Top Road (the Heiton Buckley facility across the way from Musgrave Park) is scheduled for a decision on Monday 1st August 2005. The predominantly residential development saw a new application made in June after an earlier plan was withdrawn. The new plans call for demolition of existing structures & construction of mixed used devt scheme with overall gross floor area of 5775.40m2 comprising an Aldi discount foodstore,2 retail units,medical centre,creche & 41 dwelling units.Single storey Aldi discount foodstore with gross floor area of 1,560m2, incl. upper level mezzanine floor space,all assoc. signage (to include 1 internally illuminated wallmounted sign to the proposed Aldi store & 1 free-standing internally illuminated doublesided sign at proposed entrance to car park & adjacent to Tory Top Rd) & 127 associated car spaces; 1 3-storey block fronting Tory Top Rd comprising 1 basement level retail unit;creche;medical centre at ground floor; 5 2-bed duplex apts with balconies at 1st & 2nd floor level;all assoc. signage & 12 car park spaces;18 2-bed tce hses arranged in 3 blocks;1 3-storey block of 9 1-bed at ground floor & 9 2-bed duplexes at 1st & 2nd floors incorporating roof terraces & balconies.52 residential car park spaces will be provided.

      I think the idea of these discount stores maximising the value on their lands by providing ancillary and alternate development uses away from their core competencies is an interesting one and it’ll be interesting to see the impact such trends have on Irish urban landscapes.



      A-ha and ewankennedy – I wouldn’t read too much into the gossip. I genuinely myself haven’t heard anything but if anyone else has other info please let us know.

    • #757666
      A-ha
      Participant

      and any dates for pc world and currys?

    • #757667
      lexington
      Participant

      :p City Properties Limited, who have recently completed what has become a very successful little venue hosting restaurants Wagamama and Captain America’s along South Main Street – are now in the final stages of completing a new bar and nightclub at the former Classic Bar premises (right next-door to Wagamama). Ridge Developments are working on the project and City Properties have launched a new website entitled “Name The Club”. The idea is that Cork’s citizens (or anyone at all) are invited to submit ideas for the new nightclub name – could be interesting, care to have your idea immortalised in Cork’s nightlife? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ The design of the Wagamama/Captain America’s facility seems to have been very well received – and it seems the design behind the new nightclub and bar is equally interesting. The upper level of facility is now home to a new bar called ‘Suas’. The 3rd storey bar (above Captain America’s) overlooks South Main Street with an amply spaced balcony facility. The unique timber feature which scales the building’s South Main Street facade begins at this location tipping downwards at the balcony edge. The interior design work seems to be minimalist focused (not unlike the interior of Wagamama) – with Dan Mulvihill & Co. involved in the blueprints.


      Notice how the logo design mimics the timber-scale feature on the building facade.

      Here are 2 images of the interior design work of the new bar.



      Also, if you’re interested -> Name The Club – it may pass away a boring minute or two in the office. :p

    • #757668
      A-ha
      Participant

      Looks nice, I love the modern contemporary look. And I know it was announced weeks ago, but I don’t think that Grand Parade should be done in the same style as Patrick St. It should be made to look different, those lights will NOT suit that area! ๐Ÿ˜ก

    • #757669
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      I like the designs for Grand parade. I think it’ll add continuity to the city centre and i especially like the way the pedestrian area to the west is being enlarged with the traffic lanes moved to 1 side.

      Has anyone seen the new building on Copley street under construction by Coffey builders it looks so cheap and boring! ๐Ÿ˜ก

    • #757670
      lexington
      Participant

      I know I posted these scans a few months ago – that’s sort of why I didn’t bring the subject back up around the time of the ‘official’ launch – but here they are anyway. I have more (better quality) and will post them here at some stage. Grand Parade is, in my view, one of Cork’s most important streets. Not least its width and important link-role, nor the fact it possesses many fine buildings and an interesting perspective on its surrounds – but because it is central to the day-to-day activity of the city centre, and offers a true grand city centre street in any urban area’s books. It’s redevelopment is essential to the continued growth and aesthetics of the city centre as a core area of commercial and social activity. I would agree that the Beth Gali proposal is actually pretty pleasant – but then again, everyone has their own views on elements of Studio Gali’s plans (i.e. the controversial lights!). At least 4 (2 in pre, 1 in planning, 1 with planning) major proposals on Grand Parade will be interacting with this news street-scape and its important that they jointly work to maintain the history and future of this street in a quality foundation.



      Just throwing back to the talk above on Debenhams and Mahon Point etc – I was talking with a well-up individual today about the centre, and according to him at least, recent figures are encouraging. Now I expected he would say that, so I pressed him further on certain issues such as Debenhams – and he said not to get caught up in “flim-flam”, Mahon Point was performing as expected. The initial surge in activity was an inevitable response to the opening of such a major new centre. However, as with most such projects anywhere, the centre suffered an initial ‘association saturation’ – i.e. people became over-familiar and opted for alternatives. However now the centre was finding itself into a particular ‘niche’ – with customers adopting the centre into the regular patterns as a place of convenience and a genuine alternative. The launch projection for annual movements was 10m pax p.a. – this has been revised down slightly since, with early weekdays proving expectedly slower, but mid-week to weekend activity progressive and steadily improving. Certain retaillers like Bershka, Gasoline, Easons and Omniplex have reported above satisfactory levels of trading. Nothing was said of Debenhams other than that trading levels were on par with the chain’s Jervis Centre store and that the store was there for the ”long-haul”.

      Indeed, my recent excursions to Mahon Point, did seem to signal the centre had picked up traffic volumes. Perhaps ventures such as the Thursday morning ‘Market’ and now a Circus I believe( ๐Ÿ˜ฎ ) are paying off.

      I also asked about whether talk of an extension to the centre, earmarked possibly for 2009, was still on the cards, and the reply was “the centre has been designed for such an accommodation. The northern car-park area has plenty of room for scope, however I am not aware of anything being set in stone. Our concern is focused on the job at hand and we’ll deal with any such further developments when the time comes.”

      (by the way the quote is the jist of what was said – not word for word perfect).

      So that’s what was said, make of it what you will, and I’ll leave it at that.



      ๐Ÿ™ Oh, and the building on Copley Street is actually 2 (linked) 5-storey blocks, one housing 60.000sq ft of office space, the other 38 apartments. The scheme is being developed by Corbett Bros., constructed by Coffey Construction & was designed by PRC Architects. I agree – it’s not great. The original plan seemed much nicer with a far higher quality material finish but subsequent of a further planning application regarding a change in elevational treatment, the cladding seems to have been replaced with a sort of cheap zinc panel coating and lemon-yellow paint. I have images of the block under construction but will try and get a more up-to-date image for the thread’s consideration.

    • #757671
      A-ha
      Participant

      I like the Farmers Market in Mahon Point, they seem to becoming more trendy then going to the nearest Dunnes or Tesco (which is ironically right next door). They’re popping up everywhere. Midleton, Cobh and Youghal all have markets selling local produce and crafts. Shame it’s only on one day a week though. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757672
      lexington
      Participant

      Coffey Construction are putting the final touches to their รขโ€šยฌ20m Copley Street development designed by PRC Architects. The project includes 85 (incl. student extension) basement car-parking spaces, 60,000sq ft of Third Generation office space and 38 mixed apartments in 2 linked 5-storey buildings over commercial facilities to include a gym and restuarant. The developers are also proceeding with an adjoining development on Stable Lane of 8 student apartments over extended basement and retail unit. The Copley Street site was purchased in 2001 by Corbett Bros’ Michael & Kevin from Irish Interational Trading Corp. for รขโ€šยฌ5m – they also purchased a further site from the company on the South City Link nearby for รขโ€šยฌ2m where plans for a 266 room student development were turned down, a new application will be sought for that site in the prospective future.

      The developers also have activity (in conjunction with Monagahan-based Pitwood Ltd) at Beasely Street/Parnell Place for a new 121-bedroom hotel (which recently saw Further Info submitted) and may seek a new scheme at their Henry Street site. A further large-scale city development is currently under review.

    • #757673
      A-ha
      Participant

      Everyone must be gone away for the bank holiday week-end, it’s been so quiet on here these last few days. And I know I mentioned it before, but who da f*cking hell do I have to go to about the public transport in this city, or should I say the lack of it. It’s so unbeliveable. I am so serious, the city needs some sort of trolleybus or tram. The buses smell up the city and all a trolleybus would need is a ‘lil old wire. I’ll say it again, monorails would be ideal for Cork, and don’t laugh like the last time I mentioned it, making jokes about the Simpsons, it’s so childish. If anyone can give me any names of who would take note of the bad transportation system in Cork, then let me know. :confused:

    • #757674
      A-ha
      Participant

      Oh, and didn’t I hear ages ago that the taxis were to be made uniform in the city? Ya know, like the London Cabs or the New York yellow, all that sort. Whats the story with that? Is it happening or wot?

    • #757675
      securityman
      Participant
      lexington wrote:
      :p City Properties Limited, who have recently completed what has become a very successful little venue hosting restaurants Wagamama and Captain America’s along South Main Street – are now in the final stages of completing a new bar and nightclub at the former Classic Bar premises (right next-door to Wagamama). Ridge Developments are working on the project and City Properties have launched a new website entitled “Name The Club”. The idea is that Cork’s citizens (or anyone at all) are invited to submit ideas for the new nightclub name – could be interesting, care to have your idea immortalised in Cork’s nightlife? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ The design of the Wagamama/Captain America’s facility seems to have been very well received – and it seems the design behind the new nightclub and bar is equally interesting. The upper level of facility is now home to a new bar called ‘Suas’. The 3rd storey bar (above Captain America’s) overlooks South Main Street with an amply spaced balcony facility. The unique timber feature which scales the building’s South Main Street facade begins at this location tipping downwards at the balcony edge. The interior design work seems to be minimalist focused (not unlike the interior of Wagamama) – with Dan Mulvihill & Co. involved in the blueprints.

      Would I be right in saying one of the guys in city properties also has shares in Pizza Republic, Raven, Cleavers, The Bailey, Bru, The new bar in Mount Oval and the western star?

    • #757676
      ooshi
      Participant

      Anyone have any images of Paul Kenny’s Treasury Office Development? Or the Dairygold complex for Mallow? Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757677
      jungle
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      Everyone must be gone away for the bank holiday week-end, it’s been so quiet on here these last few days. And I know I mentioned it before, but who da f*cking hell do I have to go to about the public transport in this city, or should I say the lack of it. It’s so unbeliveable. I am so serious, the city needs some sort of trolleybus or tram. The buses smell up the city and all a trolleybus would need is a ‘lil old wire. I’ll say it again, monorails would be ideal for Cork, and don’t laugh like the last time I mentioned it, making jokes about the Simpsons, it’s so childish. If anyone can give me any names of who would take note of the bad transportation system in Cork, then let me know. :confused:

      I wouldn’t support trolley buses in the city. They have all the disadvantages of trams – inflexibility of route – and none of the advantages – ability to carry a large volume of people. I would fully support the introduction of Light Rail into the city.

      At one point there was a thread on the Platform 11 forums about a possible route for Light Rail from the city to Ballincollig. I haven’t visited there since they made the forums only readable by members though.

    • #757678
      jungle
      Participant

      I saw the new Montessori school on the Skehard Road for the first time over the weekend. I quite like it. It seems to rise above the banality that is often associated with educational buildings.

      Anyone have any pictures or comments? It was hard to form a full impression when going past it on a crowded bus.

    • #757679
      A-ha
      Participant

      I think the last thing that should be brought into the city is a light rail network. Trams would be ideal for the suburbs but look at all the trouble the Luas caused. Drilling, digging and more noise in our newly renovated city centre isn’t very ideal for a transport system. And trolley buses can carry more then a standard bus, even more if it is a double decker trolley bus, and even better, no tracks to lay, more routes available and a clean, reliable form of transportation. Sorry if yeer all sick of listening to me, or reading me whatever, but we really need more varieties of transport in Cork.

    • #757680
      jungle
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      I think the last thing that should be brought into the city is a light rail network. Trams would be ideal for the suburbs but look at all the trouble the Luas caused. Drilling, digging and more noise in our newly renovated city centre isn’t very ideal for a transport system. And trolley buses can carry more then a standard bus, even more if it is a double decker trolley bus, and even better, no tracks to lay, more routes available and a clean, reliable form of transportation. Sorry if yeer all sick of listening to me, or reading me whatever, but we really need more varieties of transport in Cork.

      There is an alternative that I saw was being trialled (in France I think). It was a trolley bus that charged a battery that could carry it for up to 20km. It meant that the bus wasn’t restricted to where there were cables and it also meant that unsightly cables could be kept out of sensitive areas.

    • #757681
      A-ha
      Participant

      Sounds like a good idea jungle, at least it would get dirty diesel buses outta the city centre. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757682
      lexington
      Participant

      @ooshi wrote:

      Anyone have any images of Paul Kenny’s Treasury Office Development? Or the Dairygold complex for Mallow? Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

      Images are posted of The Treasury earlier in this thread and in the Look at de state of Cork, like! thread also. As for the Alchemy Properties development in Mallow, I’ll try and have some images up by Friday for you.



      As for public transport in Cork –

      the ideal in my view would be to pedestrianise the city centre almost entirely. The city centre island is novel in that it is relatively compact and easily covered by foot. Even the concept being applied to St. Patrick’s Street, Grand Parade, Oliver Plunkett Street and Cornmarket Street is positive in my view – that is were traffic lanes are reduced or sidelined and pedestrian areas are given priority. The thing is, cars in their current form aren’t the way to go in the long run. Maybe new fuel-cell eco-efficient alternatives will be the hopeful next step. I think the streets of the city centre need to be given back to the people and less subserviant to the vehicle. Streets like Patrick’s Street and Cornmarket Street I believe should also be given hours exclusive to pedestrians – i.e. 9am to 9pm Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and 9am to 6pm Mondays to Wednesdays etc. I agree light-rail is not suited for the existing city centre – but in an extended city centre, to include docklands regions – I think there is room for scope – especially along Kennedy Quay, passed Pairc Ui Chaoimh and linking up with the old Blackrock line out to Mahon Point and Rochestown. Also the South City Link could be utilised to travel via Black Ash P&R and out to Bishopstown and Ballincollig. People forget that Cork was once latticed in trams and rail. Even its bridges are testimony to that history – and to be honest, I think we’ll have to look to an efficient service returning in the future. Especially along the southern docklands. With cars still around, underground parking facilities may be provided at locations in the suburbs connected by main traffic routes and transfer services into the city centre. I gasp at the thought of all those unsightly overhead powerlines – just look at Vancouver, San Francisco and Frankfurt!

      Luckily the wheels are very very slowly in motion on some of these concepts.

    • #757683
      A-ha
      Participant

      lex, I have to say that I like your idea of a pedestrianised city centre, it’s so continental. And the docklands is a great place to start for building a new public transport system. London also has big plans for trolleybuses going from the south suburbs directly to the north suburbs with stops along the way at tube stations. Here is a picture of one of the trolleybuses that will be rolled out in London over the coming months and years.

      As you can see, the over head cable’s aren’t all that big. Can’t you just see it gliding down Patrick St. and across the Lee?

    • #757684
      lexington
      Participant

      Sorry for not getting to this sooner – but life is hectic at the moment –

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž Aldi Stores Developments Limited have had Further Information requested of their plans for a new residential and retail development at the Heiton Buckley site on the Tory Top Road, Ballyphehane. The details of the project are mentioned in a previous post above. A decision had been due for yesterday.



      ๐Ÿ™‚ Frinailla will be shortly lodging their plans for their Dennehy’s Cross sites – which they have gathered over acquisitions, most notably that purchased from Dennehy’s Garage (which will now be relocating to a new premises) for a price-tage estimated in the 20m euro region. O’Mahony Pike Architects have designed the new residential and commercial scheme – more details will follow soon.

    • #757685
      A-ha
      Participant

      Interesting link courtesy of The People’s Republic of Cork website on an underground system for Cork. It’s a long way off, but none the less interesting. http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/images/articles/Subway/SubwayBig.gif
      Oh, and don’t forget to click on the enlarge button when you open the link. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757686
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Paul Kingston (Douglas) has lodged plans for the development of a full-service 96-berth marina at Castlepark in Kinsale. The plan seeks to build on the town’s nautical heritage and lifestyle – allowing for an increased capacity for private vessel berthings. The รขโ€šยฌ4m euro project will also include car-parking, landscaping and quayside alterations, as well as administration and caretaker accommodation.



      ๐Ÿ™‚ As mentioned in a previous post, St. Patrick’s Hospital at Marymount have lodged their plans for a new Hospice and Convent at the lands formerly controlled by Jeremiah Lynch & Family. A deal was closed through auctioneers Irish & European for a undisclosed figure, estimated at approx. รขโ€šยฌ11m. The 75 bedroom hospital and 44 bed hospice will be joined by a 1,000sq m convent over 2 and 3-storey buildings – with the 6 acre site availing of full landscaping. St. Patrick’s Hospital have formally withdrawn from a scheme lodged with Rosridge Properties and Enable Ireland on lands near the Bandon Road Roundabout. The new proposal is estimated at apprx. รขโ€šยฌ50m.

      – also, you may remember many months ago I indicated that a new private medical development for the city centre was under review. I hope to bring you formal details of the รขโ€šยฌ55m project within weeks.



      ๐Ÿ™ I know this is a little old, but the plans by Frinailla for Springmount, Glanmire have been stalled with an appeal brought against the 65 unit development of 25 apartments and 40 duplexes. The development had been greenlit by Cork County Council for the high-density zoned, 4-acre, steeply sloping site – which had been sold through auctioneers Global Properties. The Kiosk-designed scheme is being appealed by the Ballincrossig Resident’s Association (among them former C.I.F. buzzman Joe O’Brien).

      Frinailla Springmount Project



      :confused: It would seem O’Flynn Construction (OFC) are looking to iron-out issues with the grant for their Eglinton Street scheme – as predicted – the project has been lodged with ABP on a 1st-party basis. I’ll return with details tomorrow. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ ๐Ÿ™



      ๐Ÿ˜Ž Mark Kelleher’s intentions for the controversial project at Westend, designed by Frank Ennis & Associates, have seen the appeal withdrawn. The project has been one of the most talked about proposals in the area and was the subject of much debate.

    • #757687
      rodger
      Participant

      good evening all.i haven’t posted in a while, I’m sure I was missed?

      I believe the springmount project was designed by those multi talented,gifted, handsome architects pat and tony of kiosk.

      its unfortunate as the scheme started out with 65 units.the planning received was for 47!
      that is 12 units per acre?

      the appeal is signed by none other than .joe o brien.mr.o brien has done some great work in getting the coco to increase densities.
      maybe he’s had a change of heart and will try to reverse all the great work he has done for the construction industry durring his distinguished career.
      the design is of a very high standard I think.

      maybe its a case of the gamekeeper becoming the poacher?

      is mr. o brien still in the cif.

    • #757688
      A-ha
      Participant

      lex, will you be able to post some pics. of the marina planned for kinsale later on in the week? please and thx ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757689
      lexington
      Participant

      Unfortunately – over the past few weeks I have been pretty tied up with a great many things and haven’t been able to put the same consistency into the thread as previous. I hope I can address this when the manic perplexities calm down – so apologises for any slippage. Hope to bring the thread back up to speed, accuracy, insights etc. Improvement will come.

    • #757690
      Leesider
      Participant

      Did anyone see the article in the Independent yesterday regarding Cork airport and Ryanair?? Ryanair have expressed an interest in using the old terminal building as a low cost hub when the new one is up and running. Hopefully the airport authorities and Ryanair might be able to iron something out, it would be great for Cork!

    • #757691
      securityman
      Participant

      First of all I really hope that Ryanair can strike a deal with Cork airport authority cos its a pity that you have to go out of shannon for the cheap flights plus it would have a great knock on affect for tourism in the region.

      Has anyone heard about a so called renovation of Mallow railway station by a UK company I think they are doing a number of stations throughout the country.

      On a final point does anybody else here ever wonder how they are going to fill these offices and retail units that are being proposed. At the moment you have a lot of buildings Idle look at patrick st, the roundy on cornmarket st, bachelors on the quay and the places next door next to the GATE cinema, the new building on georges quay Trinity House, the office building in Angelsea St where Anglo Irish Bank is, Owen O’Callaghans new building on Lavitts Quay, The numerous places on the new Mallow road and on the watercourse road, Wilton shopping centre has a few spots, the old tsb in wilton and many more I just worry that there is going to be a lot of derelict places around our city before were finished.

    • #757692
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      First of all I really hope that Ryanair can strike a deal with Cork airport authority cos its a pity that you have to go out of shannon for the cheap flights plus it would have a great knock on affect for tourism in the region.

      Has anyone heard about a so called renovation of Mallow railway station by a UK company I think they are doing a number of stations throughout the country.

      On a final point does anybody else here ever wonder how they are going to fill these offices and retail units that are being proposed. At the moment you have a lot of buildings Idle look at patrick st, the roundy on cornmarket st, bachelors on the quay and the places next door next to the GATE cinema, the new building on georges quay Trinity House, the office building in Angelsea St where Anglo Irish Bank is, Owen O’Callaghans new building on Lavitts Quay, The numerous places on the new Mallow road and on the watercourse road, Wilton shopping centre has a few spots, the old tsb in wilton and many more I just worry that there is going to be a lot of derelict places around our city before were finished.

      It’s a very good point Securityman, but I suppose from the developers point of view there are a lot of housing units coming on line in the next couple of years, this is where the “critical mass” kicks in, commercial feeds off residential and vise versa…

      I would be worried if we weren’t getting high densities in the city center, but fortunately our friends in the City Council have finally grasped the concept of reverse urbanisation. A city cannot and indeed won’t survive without a “critical mass” population.

      A recent trip to Detroit is proof of this, a budy said I wouldn’t belive it and he was right, it is actually unbelievable to see such a great city and it’s derelict. I admit they have gang problems, decline in motor industry etc., but the city center is practically vacant, so there is no incentive for business, it’s definetly not a case of “if you build it they will come”.

      An amazing place Detriot, scarey by day, i wasn’t brave enough by night!!! Well worth a visit if your in that neck of the woods…

      Getting back to our city, you may have noted in that many retail spaces have struggled, especially the leisure sector, this should hopefully be reversed by an increase in footfall population. A cheaper pint might help, but thats an argument for my puplican friends… :rolleyes:

      Nightlife in Dublin has never been better, even with the scarey thought of buying a round for five people…

    • #757693
      lexington
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      On a final point does anybody else here ever wonder how they are going to fill these offices and retail units that are being proposed. At the moment you have a lot of buildings Idle look at patrick st, the roundy on cornmarket st, bachelors on the quay and the places next door next to the GATE cinema, the new building on georges quay Trinity House, the office building in Angelsea St where Anglo Irish Bank is, Owen O’Callaghans new building on Lavitts Quay, The numerous places on the new Mallow road and on the watercourse road, Wilton shopping centre has a few spots, the old tsb in wilton and many more I just worry that there is going to be a lot of derelict places around our city before were finished.

      Fleming Construction’s Trinity House scheme has a commercial unit on the ground-floor up for sale/lease through Cohlan Downing & Associates. The scheme is only after completion and the unit had been awaiting some amendments via a further planning application. This was only recently granted. Considering the unit is just on the market, I think the location is actually good for a decent sized convenience store or the like given the recent number of developments in the area, the College of Commerce across the bridge and lack of such facilities in the immediate vicinity. One also must remember that many of these schemes are subject to planning policy set by CCC which calls for ground floor commercial units in an attempt to keep lively street-level/ground floor activity among other things. I’m sure in many cases developers don’t mind sacrificing such a unit in the advent of a larger development being granted.

      Howard Holdings’ Anglesea Street office development (Copley Hall), has let a good deal of its space already with tenants including Scott Tallon Walker, C.S.R. Planning Consultants and Anglo Irish Bank. Further spaces are under negotiation.

      21 Lavitts Quay, is occupied at the upper floors by OCP itself – while a semi-state body is set to take offices in other floors of the building. The commercial units are currently on the market – but I know that talks are on-going. Like ‘Bachelor’s on the Quay’ at Bachelor’s Quay (amazingly!) – these developments were constructed in-line with policy, but these locations face away for the core commercial area of the city centre and are generally by-passed by pedestrians who are set on the city centre]must[/U] be seen and establish itself to be seen as a top, desirable location to set up, expand or establish a business, institute, R&D etc.



      *UPDATES*

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž The Shipton Group (Blackpool Developments) have been granted a change use from their permitted office building (Block D) of their Blackpool Park development, currently under Phase 2 construction, to ‘general’ office usage – which essentially broadens their permit of the building’s usage in an office context. However, the grant has come with a hefty development contribution levy. Hmmm.

      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Meanwhile, Omniplex have been granted an additional McCabe Design pencilled signage to the southern elevation of Mahon Point S.C. facing the South Ring Dual-Carriageway. An original concept had been refused based on it’s ‘distracting’ nature to passing motorists.

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Also. Cork Univerity Hospital (CUH) have been permitted to realign its internal road network to cater for an extended 200 parking spaces – helping meet existing demand among other things. The permission will now also allow better filteration of traffic volumes and allow for management of such volumes and parking in light of the construction of the hospital’s new รขโ€šยฌ80m euro Renal/Cardiac Unit – which extends west from the existing main hospital entrance toward the current main CUH car-parking facility. The new Renal/Cardiac facility is designed by Watkins Gray International.


    • #757694
      securityman
      Participant

      Thanks for the good replies lads and I suppose your right on a lot of the issues. As for the Wilton SC Lex did I hear a while back that BT 2 wanted to move in there? A good move for them would be to remove the supervalue as I think Tesco want to happen and make a bigger roches stores or BT 2 like Patrick St. As it is I think Wiltin has a lot of good shops and other services within the centre to make it top of the pile.

      Anyone know if Tesco has received planning permission for a new store in Kanturk yet?

    • #757695
      dowlingm
      Participant

      Lexington

      any chance you could look into the feasibility of the old Cork airport terminal being retained for low-cost use? It’s unlikely it will ever happen but one of the first reactions on another board was “well the old terminal’s PP expires when the new one is commissioned” – odd then that the Airport Authority chairman wouldn’t immediately rule it out.

      thanks

    • #757696
      lexington
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      Thanks for the good replies lads and I suppose your right on a lot of the issues. As for the Wilton SC Lex did I hear a while back that BT 2 wanted to move in there? A good move for them would be to remove the supervalue as I think Tesco want to happen and make a bigger roches stores or BT 2 like Patrick St. As it is I think Wiltin has a lot of good shops and other services within the centre to make it top of the pile.

      Anyone know if Tesco has received planning permission for a new store in Kanturk yet?

      First, re: Tesco in Kanturk, F.I. was only received on the application on the 28th July 2005, a due date isn’t scheduled until 11th September 2005.

      BT had originally considered a BT2 move to compliment their existing A-Wear store at Wilton (this would have made sense given the affluent consumer base in the area). The move was subsequently ruled out for a number of reasons – among these, the unit size and apparently another deal(?). An upgrade had been scheduled for the original A-Wear store in the centre, but instead was moved to the new unit and intentions for BT2’s first expansion out of the Dublin-area were stalled. The information I received regarding the above at the time, came from a lady with company and I think was a little dated when it was received. The ‘other deal’ info makes me wonder however, did the company spy Academy Street and think it more attractive??? We’ll have to wait and see. It would seem like an interesting idea.

      securityman, Wilton S.C. is now co-owned by Howard Holdings and Joe O’Donovan – Roches Stores/SuperValu (SuperValu had operated the grocery element of Roches’ under agreement – but this has now by acquired by the McCarthy Group – along with the city centre grocery element in Merchants Quay) is now the centre’s largest single tenant as the Tesco extension was not part of the รขโ€šยฌ126m euro deal to purchase the centre last year. The location itself is one of the best in the city – and the expansion possibilities are enormous. However, anything major extension would have a significant impact on retail activities in the city. Rumours had been adrift long-ago that NMA had been approached to consider an enhancement of the Roches Stores department store at the centre – but nothing, involving NMA (to my knowledge at least) has since been heard. However that does not mean the centre may gain something in the future. Howard Holdings & Joe O’Donovan have maintained that their purchase was merely for investment purposes only. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ



      dowlingm – I don’t think PP is any reason to rule out such an idea. But I’ll do my best to look about. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757697
      altuistic
      Participant

      I think the idea of Ryanair operating from the old terminal would be a good idea and great for the city but am i the only one concerned at how this may impact on the new terminal and the considerable investment that has been made on it??

      as for Wilton, as a nearby resident i would have some concerns at how any expansion would impact on what is already one of the most heavily trafficked regions of the city. Also with mahonpoint and the new shopping centre in Ballincolllig I would think there is a significant presence of new centres in the south region. Of course it would be handy for me to pop up to every morning but i’m trying to think of it in a holistic sense.

      Thank you also for the photographs of the regional hospital. I had not seen these yet. Have you any idea when construction will begin?

    • #757698
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      I would also add to Lex’s comments about Cork’s image… It is highly important that Cork is seen as a serious location for any business to operate, there are two aspects to this the first being a sustained redevelopment of the City areas to increase density in both commercial space and more importantly residential space. I would think that the drive from Cork Airport, when completed is relatively clean and impressive, until you actually hit the city. The city dump is well disguised, the Blackash facility always impresses and the new flyover at the magic roundabout will be mind blowing!!!

      I would see the second key point being the expansion of the, in my view extraordinary limited city boundaries. If the city is to provide decent services it need cash. It’s that simple. I must admit I pay approx รขโ€šยฌ1600 for a ~550 sq ft office in town, thats crazy, but understandable given the shallow pockets of the city when compared to thier greedy neighbours in the County Council.

      I must admit to being compared to Statler and Waldorf for my constant cribing about the general state of the city center.

      ๐Ÿ˜ก The general lack of bins (ridiculous), count them its mad, there are more bins on Main Street Mallow than Oliver Plunkett Street. Patrick street is filthy, I think this might be an Irish problem though, but until littering is taken seriously in this country people will have no respect for thier surroundings. Why do litter wardens only seem to tackle sloppy business owners and not the slobs who simply drop litter allover our lovely main street…

      ๐Ÿ˜ก The lack of commitment to the pedestrianisation of Oliver Plunkett Street and surrounding areas (mind boggling, we could have an area that would surpass Grafton Street or Oxford Street!!!). I believe there has recently been a decision made to pedstrianise Princess Street between the hours of 11am and 5pm!! Thats right for six hours a day. Would somebody please explain this to me as I laughed out loud when I heard this. Which was followed by the usual “go back to Dublin ya Jackeen” comments muttered by my friends. I love it…

      ๐Ÿ˜ก Derelict buildings are my pet hate. If some pratt is hoarding a derelict / semi derelict building in a key location waiting for a kings ransom it should be taken from them at market value less a “greedy bastard tax” at 95% donated to the City coffers. These are the people who are stiffling progress in Cork, not the planners!! I think this is the most annoying thing about buying property here, you have to be almost sneaky in your approaches for fear of being branded a golden goose. It’s hard enough to aquire a decent land mass anywhere in the short term due to the crazy boundaries involved in most inner city properties, but when one person decides to hold out!!! Pass me my Valium…

      ๐Ÿ˜ก The river, the beautiful Lee, the most under valued and developed resource in the city. As Lex says give use boardwalks, water buses, Viking tours etc…. Again to be fair to the City, they definetly need more rates for thier budget, none of these things come free…

      ๐Ÿ˜ก Telecoms people… I think were all in agreement here. Finish a road, dig it up, lay cable, back fill it and watch it fall apart!!

      ๐Ÿ˜ก Princes Street / Southmall junction, I’ve counted four times now that this has been dug up and reconcreted, dont mention the footpath on Marlboro Street. This level of incompetence would not be tollerated on a private site!!!

      :rolleyes: The roads, in Berties words “A lot done, a lot more to do”, they have made genuine and impressive efforts here, I must commend the roads department, damb it!!!

      Rant over, the Valium is taking effect now, fluffy white clouds… fluffy white clouds… fluffy white clouds… fluffy white clouds… fluffy white clouds… fluffy white clouds… ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757699
      lexington
      Participant

      I would indeed agree with much of what you say –

      most especially the issue of city boundaries. It seems ridiculous (and as plain as the nose on anyone’s face) that a boundary extension is needed for the city limits. Areas such as Douglas, Rochestown, Little Island, Ballyvolane, Curraheen and even, dare I say it, Ballincollig (to some extent) – should all be lined up for consideration. I won’t express any personal beliefs on the reasons why this hasn’t been the case so far. But all I will say is that the decision not to extend the boundaries in the aforementioned areas (with the possible exception of the last mention) is not constructive to the development of Cork as region, let alone city or county. It reminds of a scene in a movie I only recently saw called ‘Finding Nemo’ (don’t ask!) were a bunch of seagulls are standing over food prospects and the only mutter each creature can afford is “Mine! Mine! Mine!”

      I hope a positive assessment and conclusion can be reached by both involved parties – both of whom can and often do work so well together. Perhaps, among the best of any authorities in any county in some cases – when the will is there.

      However, should an extension be accommodated in the future – I would stress CCC to maintain and value their greenspace.

    • #757700
      A-ha
      Participant

      This is so wierd, the last few days, the only posts I’ve been reading were my own….. I miss one day and suddenly the forum is jammers with new messages. Where have ye all been at??? lol. Anyways, I dont think that the city bounderies should be extended just yet, the local councils know whats best for the local area, and not just one big corporation dictating what goes where and when in an area unknown to themselves. On the other hand, it has very attractive and good points going for it, the main thing being that Douglas and Little Island etc. are all suburbs of Cork, yet are classed as part of the county as opposed to the city. The population of Cork City is 124,000, however, this does not include the suburbs, which shape and form Cork as it is today. The population of Cork City including the suburbs if the bouderies were extended would be in and around 200,000, thus almost doubles the size of the “city”. Also I heard ages ago that Midleton was to apply to extend it’s bounderies, making it a city bigger then both Galway and Waterford, and also making the County of Cork the only Irish county with more then one city. But this is pointless, now that Midleton it’s self has become more and more of a suburb/satellite town of Cork. Also, I was so delighted to read about Ryanair’s plans or whatever you want to call it about using the old terminal building in the airport (presumably it’s gonna be called Terminal 1??? hmm, how fancy) as a low-cost hub for the Cork region, I deteste Aer Lingus’ “Only รขโ€šยฌ9.99 one way ex. taxes of รขโ€šยฌ112.50”, it’s so rubbish, I wouldn’t fly with them to save me life and I’d be really greatful if anyone can get me a link on where to read the article on the internet, I tried looking but my head and big words don’t match. Hope ye all had a good break over the long week-end/summer holidays, where-ever it was ye all were. Ohh, and if anyone knows if the millionaire woman in Limerick has a daughter, give us a ring, it seems like a nice family to marry into, eh? Cah ching รขโ€šยฌรขโ€šยฌ$$ร‚ยฃร‚ยฃ :rolleyes:

    • #757701
      A-ha
      Participant

      Also, me thinks that if BT2 opened in the former Iรƒยกrrnrod Eirean thingy office at the top of Patrick St. it would do well (considering on the size of the place, I was never in there) but it’s been vacant for ages. Sorry about Irish spelling, but I’m not from a gaeltacth.

    • #757702
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ The HSE will soon be applying to Cork County Council (CorkCoCo) for the development of a 2-storey, 24-hour medical services/health centre in the Glanmire-region of Cork. Located near the Crestfield Centre in Riverstown, the project will comprise of 928sq m of treatment, staff, clerical and assessment space – design is by SDA O’Flynn. The news should come as a positive boost for the rapidly expanding north-eastern suburbs of the city.



      ๐Ÿ™‚ Work on the รขโ€šยฌ10m redevelopment of the Oriel House Hotel in Ballincollig is nearing completion, with a target set for mid-to-late October 2005. The redeveloped hotel will be operated by Ambassador Hotel Management (of Military Hill in the city centre) headed by William & Angela Savage. The historic old hotel has seen Hudson Associates appointed to handle design elements of the project – which, when completed will house 78 bedrooms, 250 parking spaces, restaurant, conference and banqueting facilities (up to 300 delegates), a leisure centre including 25m swimming pool, gym & treatment rooms. The hotel is currently seeking staff – and interestingly, lies within a very close proximity to one of the hotel sites earmarked by O’Flynn Construction as part of it’s Ballincollig Town Centre (BTC) project. It’ll be interesting to see how the hotels fair against one another.

    • #757703
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜€ The largest single office development ever proposed for Cork has been given the go-ahead by CCC. With 17 Conditions, planner Michael Lynch has approved Paul Kenny’s The Treasury development destined to home the new offices of the Revenue Commissioners who are seeking to relocated for their current accommodation at Government Buildings on Sullivan’s Quay. The huge development (with media reports tagging it at รขโ€šยฌ100m and other independent sources putting it closer at between รขโ€šยฌ50m – รขโ€šยฌ60m) was designed by Paud O’Mahony, Glen Barry et al of Wilson Architecture will include 12686sq m of office accommodation in 2 linked 6-storey buildings with a unique quay frontage at St. Patrick’s Quay and extending north to the Lower Glanmire Road, over 1398m sq of retail space with 216 undergound car-parking spaces (resulting from F.I. submit – however the report states the 150 spaces should be seen as adequate enough given current CCC policy) on double deck levels. Ship Street provides the eastern border with Brian Boru Street lining the western elevation – the site includes Mr. Kenny’s Citi Car-Parks site as well as premises formerly owned by Pendrix Display and Stephen Kirwan. If Mr. Kenny’s tailor-made development is selected in September 2005 (appeal aside) – the project is scheduled to under-go construction almost immediately.

      Among the conditions imposed, the 5th floor of the service lift and stairwell located on the western elevation and the fifth floor of the open plan offices and their associated terrace, toilets and stairwells will be omitted.

      The project would make a fine addition to the Cork architectural landscape and seeks to retain the important PS facades at St. Patrick’s Quay whilst making a vital contemporary architectural statement. A good day for Cork’s development and hopefully we will see it in the flesh in the future. It is not known yet whether Bell Scott Engineering or The McLaughlin Family intend to appeal the decision as they were the only 2 parties to submit objections to the project following Further Information.

    • #757704
      dave123
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜€ A-ha , Midleton another city within cork……. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
      That is a load of baloney….
      It has a population less than 10,000 (including boundaries environs)
      And anyway Mallow is bigger , its so stupid to think Midelton is a city, ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

      A Population centre of at least 30,000 is recogised as a City in Ireland , In European standards itrs 50,000 minimum ๐Ÿ™‚

      Anyway just wanted to get that straight. ๐Ÿ˜€
      As for Cork city- I think the boundary extenion should go ahead , it has more reasons and less inhibitation than to go against it ,

    • #757705
      A-ha
      Participant

      That building is totally fantastic, it just shows that a building doesn’t have to be tall to make an impact on the city landscape. Do we know what restaurants/shops will occupy the new terminal at the airport, I heard talks of WH Smith and O’ Briens Sandwich Bar making a presence at the airport, has anyone else heard of this. Also I read plans of a railway line connecting Shannon Airport to the main Limerick-Ennis line. I would have thought connecting Dublin to a railway line of some sort would have been a first priority.
      Ohh and dave123, a boundary extension of that size in Midleton would make it have a population in excess of 35,000. I know it’s hard to believe, but they were the facts and figures I heard. In saying that, Carrigtohill would become a suburb of Midleton, which is projected to have a population of 15,000 by 2015. When you add the other environs of Midleton, it wouldn’t be hard to come up with 35,000

    • #757706
      pier39
      Participant

      @dave123 wrote:

      ๐Ÿ˜€ A-ha , Midleton another city within cork……. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
      That is a load of baloney….
      It has a population less than 10,000 (including boundaries environs)
      And anyway Mallow is bigger , its so stupid to think Midelton is a city, ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

      A Population centre of at least 30,000 is recogised as a City in Ireland , In European standards itrs 50,000 minimum ๐Ÿ™‚

      Anyway just wanted to get that straight. ๐Ÿ˜€
      As for Cork city- I think the boundary extenion should go ahead , it has more reasons and less inhibitation than to go against it ,

      hey stupid is a strong word…sure we all make mistakes, but i still tell my son i love him. ๐Ÿ˜€

      midelton aint no city but if it keeps goin the way it is…in a coupla years, who knows??? anyway, ballincollig is bigger than either mallow or midelton with a projected pop. of 40000 for 2010 (or 2018 cant remember which!) but then again like glanmire i kinda consider ballincollig as a suburb anyway at this stage. midelton to cork is kinda like what bray is to dublin.

      great news bout paul kennys building. looks great! well done to the lads over at wilson. lets just hope it becomes a reality.

      im gettin all tingly and its not just because ive been sitting on my leg for half the day its cos a bud of mine with a certain practice has been quietly telling me the sca on a certain project involving a certain crown from malla! dunno how advanced it tis but i’ll be lookin forward to it. anyway im off to do whatever it is i do. bye!

    • #757707
      A-ha
      Participant

      Who still says baloney? I mean, come on like! Anyways, as I was talking about Carrigtwohill, it just clicked, but aren’t they supposed to be building a condom factory in the IDA park. It’s no joke, I actually read it a few weeks back, but heard nothing of it since. Can anyone gimmy an update on it, big employment opportunities to be had! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757708
      pier39
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      Who still says baloney?

      baloney salesmen???

      anyway as for the condom factory as exciting as the prospect of a condom manufacturer in cork is (perhaps to compliment the manufacture of viagra in pfizers not far away) – arent there better topics of discussion than that?? that is unless the building housing the facility is shaped like a condom itself, now thats interesting architecture…and i think norman foster already gave it a shot in london! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      between viagra, condoms and diaphragms, corks got the whole gig wrapped up! (no pun intended) the city is the source/cause and prevention to a successful pregnancy it would seem. ๐Ÿ˜€

      if your looking to get a job in the factory, as an electronic tester???. can i suggest checking it out with adecco first! :p job prospects are good with condom manufacturers at least 97% of the time.

      god you crazy college kids crack me up! go on ya scamp ya! hehe

    • #757709
      A-ha
      Participant

      Who says I’m in college??? Ohh, now I feel all sophisticated and such. And I didn’t mean me when I said the whole job in the local condom factory thing. I meant the local community in general. Smart thinking with the Norman Foster pun, I would never have thought of it, although, the building would stick in my head more if it was compared to a condom rather then a gherkin. I better not talk about such things on a forum where children may read it. Forgive me. ๐Ÿ™ And also, yes there are better topics of discussion, but I’m all out. You’ll have to tell lexington to stop living in the real world and come to Cyberville more often. He is like our local newspaper.

    • #757710
      pier39
      Participant

      your profile says occupation = student. i had that job once too and man was i damn good at it. i was diligent about it – up every morning at 12pm, in for a nice additional sleep at my lecture at around 1pm (usually about an hour), then skipped the rest of the lectures to go drinking til about 3am where id end up back in bed with some girl called rodney…too bad i got fired into a real job! i was voted most likely to become a politician!….now what do i do, i design things! oooo! big whoop! hehe.

      come to cyberville MORE often??? god thats a scary thought! he seems to practically have a tent set up on his modem. no disrespek bruv! peace out! but seriously tis a mighty good thing, i come here more often than i read the paper (cos usually and no offence to the good people at the irish times, indo and stuff) this is more fun!

      im really looking forward to horgans qy. i hear omp have got a hand in that one, or am i wrong? castlelands construction seem to be planning something big and im freakin out waiting to hear what theyve lined up. ooo the anticipation. lex any input??? (ignoring my above comments ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

      ….at least she told me her name was rodney!!!!

    • #757711
      lexington
      Participant

      @pier39 wrote:

      come to cyberville MORE often??? god thats a scary thought! he seems to practically have a tent set up on his modem. no disrespek bruv! peace out! but seriously tis a mighty good thing, i come here more often than i read the paper (cos usually and no offence to the good people at the irish times, indo and stuff) this is more fun!

      ….at least she told me her name was rodney!!!!

      I’m actually awaiting planning permission on a dormer dwelling – the tent wore out fast. :p

      And it’s okay pier39, we’ve all been there – waking up with a ‘Rodney’, at least you’ve an excuse, I don’t drink!….hmmm, I should probably delete that! ๐Ÿ˜€

      Trying to get my form back with the thread – have been genuinely run ragged these past few weeks. Slowly getting there I hope.

      I suppose, as for myself, I’m looking forward to the outcomes of Water Street, Ladyswell and Eglinton Street by ABP. Whether Paul Kenny comes out trumps with The Treasury and the OPW. And CCC decisions on CentrePoint (Clontarf Street), the Capitol and Deane Street. In terms of lodgements, a few big ones, Manor Park’s plans for Horgan’s Quay (hopefully September/October), Academy Street, Albert Quay, Reliance Building and perhaps a site further down the docklands ( ๐Ÿ˜‰ ). It’ll be really interesting to see how the Ford site outcomes and whether Omnistone decide to leap with Marina Commercial Park, or make intentions known. Also the plan for CHQ will be an exciting one. Really looking forward to seeing work on the Kino get a move on.

    • #757712
      A-ha
      Participant

      Occupation…. I never heard the word before I signed up to Archiseek, but I had to put in something, ohh I’m so rebelious. Your college years sound so interesting, you should write those things down, they might be worth money some day. And I have to say that you make me laugh so so much. Your really funny. Maybe you should ditch your design job and take up being a full time comedian. I’m still smiling from you last post, lol. But I do agree pier39, lex puts in more then he gets out of this website! Gawd look at the time. I better go, I’m bidding on a pair of sunglasses on eBay. Nite Nite all. ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    • #757713
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      The Ford site is 11 acres according to your last post on it. Clearly a site that big and in such a prominent location will require big imagination and big pockets. What developer do ya think could be up for taking such a project on????

      I’d say the big want will be waterfront sites but Fords site seems pretty exciting too.

    • #757714
      POM
      Participant

      Just as a matter of clarity, the details regarding square footage of Paul Kenny’s development on Saint Patrick’s Quay are more accurate in post #191 than in today’s Irish Examiner. Those approximations concern the square footage of only one sectiion of the development.

      Interesting site, keep up the good work.

      POM
      Cork

    • #757715
      lexington
      Participant

      @ewankennedy wrote:

      The Ford site is 11 acres according to your last post on it. Clearly a site that big and in such a prominent location will require big imagination and big pockets. What developer do ya think could be up for taking such a project on????

      I’d say the big want will be waterfront sites but Fords site seems pretty exciting too.

      There are a number of possibilities – both locally and nationally who may be interested and well capable of a landmark redevelopment of what is some very ‘developable’ land.

      Apparently, I’m told (with a little salt) that there are at least 4 bids on the site which comes in a just over 11 acres and which is guiding at approx. รขโ€šยฌ20m. I personally wouldn’t particularly value the site at anything grossly in excess of the guide – but, given the potential scale of development with which the site may afford, that’ll be the decision of the successful bidder(s) to determine.

    • #757716
      A-ha
      Participant

      What would be the most likely thing to be put there if the area is redeveloped, apartments? On a scale of such size in a prime location of the city, money is to be made. But I can’t see developers rushing to the opportunity, it’s on a very big scale, who would be willing to take it on?

    • #757717
      lexington
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      What would be the most likely thing to be put there if the area is redeveloped, apartments? On a scale of such size in a prime location of the city, money is to be made. But I can’t see developers rushing to the opportunity, it’s on a very big scale, who would be willing to take it on?

      Manor Park Homes are redeveloping just under 17-acres with CIE along Horgan’s Quay. 2 other major developers (1 has had considerable speculation, with good cause, airing about it in recent times) will be tackling large scale sites in the southern docklands – and Howard Holdings have drawn up a masterplan and presented it to CCC regarding the south docklands, with the company in discussion to take on a considerable development opportunity estimated in the hundreds of millions of euros.

      At 11-acres, the Ford site is not the biggest single docklands holding. Tedcastles have designed plans for their sizeable riverside holding – although among their masterplans (their favoured scheme) is predominantly residential – up to 550 units along with commercial and educational elements (however, other plans are being assessed as well and Tedcastles may even decide to develop the site themselves given their development track record in places like the USA). The problem with residential development in the southern docklands spine is that the for any major exercise to be demonstrated, a rezoning may be needed to do so. Therefore, predominantly (but not strictly) commercial, institutional, leisure/commercial, retail etc developments are encouraged. I don’t see this as being a long-term rule – flexibility will likely be demonstrated on individual presentations, depending. That is to say, development according to each consultation and each individual proposal, may be acceptable for residential elements within a broader context. Developmentally, it makes viability more acceptable.

      A number of developers are more than capable of taking on the site – in fact, it offers a very valuable holding. In any event, the prospect of its development – or lot-by-lot sale – will prove very attractive. These sites, especially of such ripe development quality, do not come on the market every day.

      A list of local & national developers could adequately acquire the site. Adjoining sites are currently being assessed with notice on those sites expected to be issued by the year end. The preferential usage on the Ford site has been ‘educational/institutional’ but any proposal will be subject to consultation and is not strictly limited to this effect. UCC and CIT have expressed preference for further development in plentiful lands nearing Curraheen – that’s not to say they would rule out the Ford location, but does make it unlikely (lest I be proved wrong). Besides the usual suspects – groups like O’Brien & O’Flynn Limited have more than adequate ability to redevelop such a site to a high standard, it will be interesting to see if they would be willing to take a departure from their predominantly residential base and embark on a significant mixed-use proposal. Whatever way this site proceeds, a high standard of design is vital to ensure Cork’s docklands continue to promote the high standards already being set and do not fall into the lazy profit-driven, ill-considered schemes on display at other cities’ dockland developments. ‘Landmarks’, in the true sense of the word, incorporating strong, innovative design bring their own rewards beyond but including immediate returns – they can generate longer-term revenues.

    • #757718
      A-ha
      Participant

      I never knew that the CIE area on Horgans Quay was so big…. at most I would have said 10acres, 17 was at the other end of the line.

    • #757719
      pier39
      Participant

      the tedcastles scheme that i saw looked like a communist tool-shed!!! think a pic of it was posted in the other look at the state of cork thread. but thankfully i hear its not the final design and they have been talkin with the council about other plans. theres my little insightful input.

      anyone know how event centre plans for the showgrounds are proceeding? its been a while since we heard anything on it and i figure with manor park hoping to lodge plans in october the pressure will be on the rivals to get something in.

    • #757720
      pier39
      Participant

      by the way got this great email the other day called “auctioneer lexicon revealed” and thought i might share some of the hidden meanings our good friends in the estate agents offices seem to use in their daily lingo.

      cosy = small, cramped, ceiling a foot lower than the average human height.
      handyman’s dream = at least 2 of its walls are still standing
      rustic = see above
      ideal first step on the property ladder or starter home = young people are so gullible
      up and coming area = border up your windows with reinforced steel
      within a stone’s throw… = using a catapult and a jet-pack
      partially renovated = brand new 40w bulb in the kitchen
      sought after = blank cheques only
      easy access = new flyover being constructed directly over the house

      i thought it was funny! and before anyone gets offended it came from an auctioneer so relax! hehe ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757721
      A-ha
      Participant

      hehehehe, lol. It’s funny cos it’s true. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757722
      satanta99
      Participant

      I’ve been out of the country for the last two months but I keep up to date with forum almost religously. What I am most excited about in the Cork Area is the Ballincollig Town Centre development. The shopping centre is due to come on stream in October, yet there has been very little information forthcoming about it. This would lead me to believe that maybe there is some trouble in filling all the 34 units. This is just my assumption but what does anyone else think? Can Ballincollig become a higher order retail centre?

    • #757723
      lexington
      Participant

      @satanta99 wrote:

      I’ve been out of the country for the last two months but I keep up to date with forum almost religously. What I am most excited about in the Cork Area is the Ballincollig Town Centre development. The shopping centre is due to come on stream in October, yet there has been very little information forthcoming about it. This would lead me to believe that maybe there is some trouble in filling all the 34 units. This is just my assumption but what does anyone else think? Can Ballincollig become a higher order retail centre?

      80% of the units (SC units) were reserved as of June 2005. Including tenants Dunnes Stores, Easons, New Look, Hallmark et al. More info will be made available concerning the SC in the next few weeks. The SC is a ‘healthy’ mix of UK and Irish tenants, with one or two international names for good measure. Undoubtedly other remaining units will fill up over time. The opening date for the Shopping Centre is set for October 16th 2005.

      I can see BTC SC falling into a category somewhere between Blackpool S.C. (unfortunate news that Mexx at Blackpool S.C. are seeking to wind-up operations at the centre with a potential relocation – according to staff – Mexx is a good name but would perhaps trade better in a location like Academy Street) & Wilton S.C. – with relatively good names, serving a predominant area interest, perhaps with some effective ‘pull’ names. The centre falls short of Mahon Point by some 70,000sq ft + (on that note, I was visiting MP today and was taken aback by just how much trade seems to have picked up at the centre, the word ‘jointed’ sprung to mind – this should be taken as a postive sign for OFC) at just touching on 170,000sq ft, hosting 34 units and 3 anchor stores.

      OFC seem to have been careful to go for big, but not too big – the centre can fit into the niche nicely of town centre shopping facility – as well as a draw from further afield. The mix of tenants seems fine, but nothing exceptional thus far – the announcement of Dunnes Stores as main anchor tenant was a bit of a let down, but it should serve the area interest well and the other tenants should boost the attractiveness. Pity about the SC logo however – either way, I hope the centre will prove a success for OFC and have no doubt it will be.

      The overall 500m euro BTC project will take until 2008 to complete, with over 130,000sq ft office space, 200,000sq ft retail, over 800 new houses, parks, walks, multi-storeys and so on. 4 design teams were involved in the project’s conception including The Building Design Partnership, Reddy O’Riordan Staehli, Hogan Associates and Wilson Architecture – the idea was to allow for varying styles and influxes of ideas to allow for a genuine town centre feel.


    • #757724
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Hughes & Hughes Book Co. – the Irish-owned newsagents and book-retailler, with a strong Dublin-base – are seeking to open a new store in Cork over the coming future. Locations are currently under review and negotiation with an announcement expected in the coming months. Although a city centre location would be ideal, the exact area is still up for review.



      A recent travel through the Centre Park Road area gives one a greater sense of the potential of the docklands, but also a sense of the level of investment that will be required. Huge, practically vacant sites – such as the Goulding Fertilisers site – offer wonderful opportunities on what are essentially very well located and very ready-to-be-developed lands.

      Also – the image below is just a partial perspective (east-to-west) of Horgan’s Quay (outline in yellow), giving you some idea of the wonderful quay frontage Manor Park Homes have to play with in their 500m euro redevelopment, and also, it can be conveyed, a sense of how important this scheme is in that it essentially creates a new urban quarter and extended city centre all the way down to Water Street – no mean feat. (for reference – image looks from POV of southern docklands; Water Street is further east, approx. 70m from image end on RHS).

    • #757725
      A-ha
      Participant

      It’s such a shame that Dunnes is the anchor tenant in Ballincollig, like there aren’t enough in Cork already. Do you have a last of the tenants that have secured or that are interested in opening in the shopping centre?

    • #757726
      lexington
      Participant

      A few names – but I’ll try and get a half-decent list up soon enough (with those I can put up).

      On the bright side however, Dunnes are looking to redevelop their original store along St. Patrick’s Street/Bowling Green Street soon – in a รขโ€šยฌ30m scheme involving some buildings to the rear, backing onto Drawbridge Street as well. Such significantly increase floor-space, possibly a few new units and enhance the awfulness that is Bowling Green Street (in it’s current state at least).



      Pothole-o-rama

      This is up for debate – but am I the only one who can feel the bill for a new suspension arriving in my letterbox everytime one drives along Merchant’s Quay, Lavitts Quay (outside 21 Lavitts Quay is a joke! The patchy roadworks have left a surface not suitable for a Hummer), Cornmarket Street – to name but a few! Also Victoria Cross – not long after resurfacing and the road leading to Sunday’s Well, just before Shanakiel – has been ridiculously dug up and fixed up with half-respectable enthusiasm. Why spend millions on resurfacing only to dig up the roads a few months later and not repair them to the same standard as intended??? ๐Ÿ˜ก It’s amazingly frustrating.

    • #757727
      A-ha
      Participant

      I wish I too could say lexington, that I need a new suspension, but I haven’t got a car yet. Anyways, they’ve been saying that for ages about doing up the Dunnes on Patrick St. but I still don’t go in there, for the simple reason, it’s worse then the one in Ballyvolane. Well, almost anyway!

    • #757728
      satanta99
      Participant

      Thanks for the info and images Lexington. I agree that this centre will probably serve the area quiet well, and its town centre setting could make it an attractive area to shop in. I really do hope OFC efforts at creating a new town centre work out, it would show that there is a definate alternative to the enclosed suburban mall, surrounded by blocks and blocks of apartments. The mixture of the shopping centre and the retail/commercial streets provides the balance between public and private spaces. OFC have done a good job of creating a pleasant and aspirational image of what the town can be, besides the tacky Signage.
      Besides Dunnes Stores and Easons, I am aware that O’briens is set to open and I know Carrig Donn is too. I suppose when the full list is released we will know for certain.

    • #757729
      A-ha
      Participant

      Has anyone been to the shopping centre in Dungarvan? I went a few weeks back, just to see what it was like. I was so unimpressed it wasn’t even funny. The building is an architectural disaster, looks more like a big pre-fab rather then a shopping centre, and the shops ain’t great either. Small choice of stores, only a Dunnes and Sasha keeping the whole place together. ๐Ÿ™

    • #757730
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      As has been mentioned, the Glucksman Gallery is up for the prestigous Stirling Prize in the UK.
      You can cast your vote for the Gallery (or any of the other nominated buildings) at the link below to the BBC website.

      The Glucksman is currently in second place and it would be nice to see Cork Arcitecture honoured across the water- in this of all years. So, you’ve no excuse, GET VOTING and tell your friends to do the same.

      Click here to vote

    • #757731
      lexington
      Participant

      @ooshi wrote:

      Anyone have any images of Paul Kenny’s Treasury Office Development? Or the Dairygold complex for Mallow? Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

      By the way ooshi – not forgetting Alchemy Properties’ plan for Mallow – just got caught up with things and am still seeking to get images up! ๐Ÿ˜‰ Am doing my best. If I can’t I’ll let you know by mid-week.

    • #757732
      lisam
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      As has been mentioned, the Glucksman Gallery is up for the prestigous Stirling Prize in the UK.
      You can cast your vote for the Gallery (or any of the other nominated buildings) at the link below to the BBC website.

      The Glucksman is currently in second place and it would be nice to see Cork Arcitecture honoured across the water- in this of all years. So, you’ve no excuse, GET VOTING and tell your friends to do the same.

      Click here to vote

      Its now in the lead!!

    • #757733
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @lisam wrote:

      Its now in the lead!!

      Woohoo!!

      Anybody have anynews on how ABP are leaning as regards Frinailla’s Lady’s Well?

      On the subject of Watercourse Road, the press keep mentioning a 20 million Euro Office development there which is in the running for the Revenue re-location (although less so I guess, owing to the news last week).
      I’ve still not worked out where exactly they are refering too, despite noble attempts by Lexington to enlighten me. Can anybody shed some light on the subject?

    • #757734
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      Have you not seen the 9 storey office development currently in construction alongside the blackpool retail park and sc?

    • #757735
      lexington
      Participant

      @mickeydocs wrote:

      Have you not seen the 9 storey office development currently in construction alongside the blackpool retail park and sc?

      That is the Shipton Group entry – however the Watercourse Road proposal (Blackpool By-Pass) concerns a project site by Joe Carey & Frank Sheahan near their Sheann Muillean development currently under completion.
      Although I appreciate Paul Kenny’s proposal has much going for it – the completion of the other developments would be well ahead of the St. Patrick’s Quay proposal – that is an enticing factor for the OPW.

    • #757736
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @mickeydocs wrote:

      Have you not seen the 9 storey office development currently in construction alongside the blackpool retail park and sc?

      Yes i have mickey but this is

      (a) Not on Watercourse Road, and

      (b) mentioned in the same articles as an alternative to the Watercourse road site.

      Either the press reports are mistaken, or there is another site on Watercourse road capable of housing the tax office!

      Update:
      Thanks Lex, I’ve got the general area sorted now alright, but I think most people would call that the New Mallow Road and not Watercourse Road. Is the office development on the city or Mallow side of the apartments?

    • #757737
      securityman
      Participant

      Would I be right in saying that the development you are on about on the watercourse road is where the 147 snooker club was and trotters second hand shop next to the garda station as far as I know all that part of the street is being redeveloped.

    • #757738
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @securityman wrote:

      Would I be right in saying that the development you are on about on the watercourse road is where the 147 snooker club was and trotters second hand shop next to the garda station as far as I know all that part of the street is being redeveloped.

      147/trotters/mac’s meat is all part of a proposed development by Frinailla Ltd. (called LadysWell) which recieved permission from CCC but was appealled to ABP with a (favourable??) decision due mid August. Builders/engineers have already been onsite marking out.

      The Sean Muillean/ Office development is almost parrallel but on the Blackpool Bypass/ New Mallow Road- big red brick things, almost complete.

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Aaaahh, I love it when I get to start a new page ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757739
      A-ha
      Participant

      Heya City of Cork forum. Ok, I’ll just ask in here since I got no reply in the Fermoy bypass forum, but has anyone else heard of a by pass being built in Castlematyr? If anyone can give me some facts and figures, knock yeer selves out! Thx. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757740
      lexington
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      147/trotters/mac’s meat is all part of a proposed development by Frinailla Ltd. (called LadysWell) which recieved permission from CCC but was appealled to ABP with a (favourable??) decision due mid August. Builders/engineers have already been onsite marking out.

      As far as I know it will be August 17th (the scheduled ABP decision) – see Frinailla’s website for details on the development here. Werdna’s Water Street plans are due a decision in the following month – I’ve the date quoted earlier in this thread, the 19th September 2005 as best I remember.



      Just as Seann Mhuillean was mentioned earlier – here are some more recent images of the Section 23 development designed by J.E. Keating & Associates, developed by Frank Sheahan & Joe Carey, built by PJ Hegarty & Sons Ltd (Phase 1) and Rohcon (Phase 2). The ultimate development provides for approx. 169 apartment units varying between 1, 2 and 3-bedroom residencies. The buildings are located beside Hewitt Mills along the Blackpool By-Pass.

    • #757741
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Well the rumour has it that architects/planners O’Mahony Pike may be invited to draw up a brief on the South Docklands Area Plan. The task is a mammoth one, of that you can be sure, but may lay an interesting foundation for the development of this vital and strategically important region. OMP have experience in the docklands, having drawn up a masterplan for Horgan’s Quay after being appointed by CIE in late 1998 to do so. OMP are currently working on another new significant plan of which details will be made in the coming months…I’ll look into that report and get back to you with more when I can…

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Plans for another docklands project are shaping up nicely in a prime location not far from many recent development activity moves in the city – the scheme is indeed set to arouse a lot of interest come its application which is anticipated (but yet to be confirmed) before the year end. I hope I can bring you details soon.

    • #757742
      altuistic
      Participant

      Obviously developing in the docklands is something of a status coup for development companies operating in Cork but what i’m curious about is which development company is going to be the one the steps forward and develops THE ‘jawdropper’ the one that stands out above all others. One would think one of the cork boys would be the one willing to put the jewel in the crown of its own backyard.

    • #757743
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Corbett Bros. are seeking to lodge an application for a 22-unit apartment development over basement car-park with CCC soon. The 3-storey, roof terraced development is destined for Carmelite Place, off the Western Road and is designed by James Leahy & Associates. The site was bought quietly in August of 2003 from vendor Dermot O’Keefe, who had previously sought permission for a 4-storey, 20-unit student apartment development over basement car-park (designed by PRC Architects) and was refused on appeal. As part of the project, the 6-terraced houses at Carmelite Place, and Carmelite Stores, will be demolished.

      These images are a few months old – details of backyard space, comparitive perspectives and other shots are also available, if needed.



      *UPDATES*

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Work has got well underway at the Mercy University Hospital on the รขโ€šยฌ2m vertical extension of its Theatre Department. The project includes the development of new staff facilities, storage, CSSD and a new theatre to replace the existing ‘Doctor’s Lounge’. The design is by Reddy O’Riordan Staehli and John Sisk & Sons Ltd are on site.

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž A substantial (approx. 297 units & 6 serviced sites – tbc) mixed housing project is set to be lodged with Cork County Council for lands near Cobh town imminently. The project, back by investors, inlcuding JJ & Mary Frahill – will comprise of mixed terraced, semi-detached, detached, duplex and apartment units all at lands in Ballyleary.

    • #757744
      A-ha
      Participant

      It’s good to hear of such enthusiasm for the south docks area.

    • #757745
      -Donnacha-
      Participant

      Did anyone actually hear confirmation regarding the semi-pedestrianisation (phew!!) of Princes Street, or is this another chinese whisper….

      I was in Galway this weekend (intentional), and all I can say is WOW, if we had the same level of commitment to tourism / shoppers / pedestrians we would be laughing as a real destination…. Not one gaurd in sight, as opposed to urs insisting all street furniture be removed by our cafes /bars as early as nine o’clock… Friggin’ police county… (Sorry just got two points today!!!) ๐Ÿ˜ก

      By the way I hope were not all in for a little pasting in the next couple of weeks on Rip Off Republic… It made very interesting viewing, he certainly has a point about stamp duty and VAT…

    • #757746
      securityman
      Participant

      Just coming back to an earlier post Harvey Norman are moving into the old Woodies site in Kinsale road so thats interesting that they didnt go into little island, blackpool or mahon considering the rest of their stores are in retail parks and this one is on its own but this must be good news for woodies as there will be two major stores in the area along with DPL, Brooks, Irish International and Cork Builders. I also believe that Turners cross motors are building a new showroom as well.

    • #757747
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Corbett Bros. are seeking to lodge an application for a 22-unit apartment development over basement car-park with CCC soon. The 3-storey development is destined for Carmelite Place, off the Western Road and is designed by James Leahy & Associates. The site was bought quietly earlier this year from vendor Dermot O’Keefe, who had previously sought permission for a 4-storey, 20-unit student apartment development over basement car-park (designed by PRC Architects) and was refused on appeal. As part of the project, the 6-terraced houses at Carmelite Place, and Carmelite Stores, will be demolished.

      It’s a terrible indication of the state of our planning controls that 6 well built, decent family homes can be bought up, left to rot and demolished like this. I followed the previous application with interest. It was a substandard design for the location.
      The fact remains though that there is no reason for demolition of these properties. The terrace as a whole represents a transition from the built up student accomodation area near college to the more permanent residential areas of Sunday’s Well. ๐Ÿ˜ก

      Incidently, i probably shouldn’t be saying this given my stance on their demolition BUT, if they were to be demolished I’m surprised AIB next door didnt come on board to develop a larger scale mixed use development with the bank on the ground floor.

    • #757748
      lexington
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      It’s a terrible indication of the state of our planning controls that 6 well built, decent family homes can be bought up, left to rot and demolished like this. I followed the previous application with interest. It was a substandard design for the location.
      The fact remains though that there is no reason for demolition of these properties. The terrace as a whole represents a transition from the built up student accomodation area near college to the more permanent residential areas of Sunday’s Well. ๐Ÿ˜ก

      Incidently, i probably shouldn’t be saying this given my stance on their demolition BUT, if they were to be demolished I’m surprised AIB next door didnt come on board to develop a larger scale mixed use development with the bank on the ground floor.

      In some respects I am inclined to agree with you. Personally, I feel the houses possess notable architectural merit (though they are not PS) and suit the area nicely – I accept the marked transition point, they do this most adequately. I’m hoping to have images up by the end of next week and will leave the design open to judgement from there-on in. Indeed, a larger scheme incorporating the AIB would have given the development a nice corner frontage on what is a primary routeway in and out of the city – a nice curve-linear glazed feature could have gone down nicely here – it would have helped feature the development is a far more positive and dramatic way, allowing it take full advantage of its environs. AIB would have had a good new premises (perhaps on the ground-floor), the basement car-park could have been extended and more units could have been added without increasing height beyond neighbouring structure brims.

      It should be noted the proposal by Dermot O’Keefe on the original proposal stood a 4-storeys – it was marked by both CCC planners and ABP inspectors that a 3-storey (max) proposal would have been more appropriate – clearly Corbett’s have responded to this.

    • #757749
      jungle
      Participant

      For those of you following the progress at the airport, I managed to get a nice image of some Aer Lingus and Servisair trucks with a glimpse of the new terminal in the background…

    • #757750
      lexington
      Participant

      Whoa – check out the rims on that baby! ๐Ÿ˜€

      Thanks jungle – how do you feel about it’s look in the flesh? (Well flesh in the making).

    • #757751
      BEETLE
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      Personally, I’m not really put out by the height when considered in an empirical context. The general height of buildings under development is not far off this project – and the prospect of further development at the adjoining Top Car site to the north and speculative redevelopment of the Cork Farm Centre (HSE offices) to the south, not forgetting Frinailla’s other plans to at Dennehy’s Cross. I think this route can accommodate such buildings but I would generally feel that any development approaching the residential areas near Dennehy’s Cross must be toned down. This height of building at this location would be unsuitable. The big thing with Robert White’s plans for a student development at the site, in a former application of 100-bedroom over 17-apartments at 5-storeys was indeed overshadowing. My memory of this application is not as precise as I’d like it to be, but if I remember correctly, the project exhibited a roof garden which allowed for overlooking back onto residencies at Ashbrook and Orchard Road. As far as I know, any terraces/balconies in the subject development are generally west facing onto Victoria Cross Road. In the 2003 application 2 units at the 4th floor were removed indeed from Kevin O’Keefe’s design – I personally feel the Frinailla design is a little better and though it peaks on 7-storeys, it doesn’t do so to any excessive effect. The adjoining development prospects at Top Car and Cork Farm Centre were not speculated at the time of the 2003 application, neither was the Justin Canty site now under development by Aras Developments. In that context, the Robert White plan was very imposing and did standout. I would posit that planners will address the Frinailla plan with a strategic outlook. As for the commercial unit, I don’t know what the intended usage is for sure beyond speculation. What are your own feelings on the design?

      Hi there again. Thanks for your opinion recently on the Frinailla planning app. at Victoria Cross – I was away since and never got a chance to reply until now. I took a drive around the area – making this area in and around County Hall my summer study – and I have to say that I am really very divided with regard to how the area is shaping up. The Victoria Mills apartments look dire – just my opinion – but by God, the whole area from there upward towards Dennehy’s cross is under development. There are quite a lot of established residential dwellings nearby such as across from old Statoil station, Orchard Road and The Grove (Orchard Road), and then further up you have the homes on Model Farm Road and Wilton Road, There’s going to be a whole lot of people on the move there once college starts and this will increase over the next couple of years by the looks of things. Personally, I still think that the proposed Frinailla structure is too high and I’m not overly gone on the design either. But that’s just me, I wouldn’t particularly like the design of Farranlea Hall across from the Farm centre either, although the site works much better. The Frinailla site is very small and exiting could be dodgy, particularly if going in a northerly direction (probably would not be allowed). Still don’t know what the commercial unit is for – would prob guess some sort of shop or restaurant/cafe?? But the big question in my mind is regarding the future – what happens if the apartments in general don’t occupy fully? Rumour suggests that Victoria Mills has never filled completely during term-time – Can students afford this type of living? Fellow students tell me that rented houses are still cheaper and better craic. I still feel that ther area has had too many large apartment blocks constructed in a small general area. Personally, I feel that Frinailla won’t get the 6-7 proposed development, although CCC will possibly grant it or something not far off, but I wonder if Pleanala will uphold this, if it goes that far? Sorry for being so long winded. ALSO, I would love to see plans of the new proposed development near AIB at Victoria Cross/Western Road, How big is this site? Thanks very much. This site is unreal for gathering information – fantastic.

    • #757752
      lexington
      Participant

      @BEETLE wrote:

      Hi there again. Thanks for your opinion recently on the Frinailla planning app. at Victoria Cross – I was away since and never got a chance to reply until now. I took a drive around the area – making this area in and around County Hall my summer study – and I have to say that I am really very divided with regard to how the area is shaping up. The Victoria Mills apartments look dire – just my opinion – but by God, the whole area from there upward towards Dennehy’s cross is under development. There are quite a lot of established residential dwellings nearby such as across from old Statoil station, Orchard Road and The Grove (Orchard Road), and then further up you have the homes on Model Farm Road and Wilton Road, There’s going to be a whole lot of people on the move there once college starts and this will increase over the next couple of years by the looks of things. Personally, I still think that the proposed Frinailla structure is too high and I’m not overly gone on the design either. But that’s just me, I wouldn’t particularly like the design of Farranlea Hall across from the Farm centre either, although the site works much better. The Frinailla site is very small and exiting could be dodgy, particularly if going in a northerly direction (probably would not be allowed). Still don’t know what the commercial unit is for – would prob guess some sort of shop or restaurant/cafe?? But the big question in my mind is regarding the future – what happens if the apartments in general don’t occupy fully? Rumour suggests that Victoria Mills has never filled completely during term-time – Can students afford this type of living? Fellow students tell me that rented houses are still cheaper and better craic.

      With regard to Victoria Mills – and I have criticised it myself often (I still think it’s horrible) – one must remember that, when blaming the developers and architects – CCC’s Planning Department were issued with a variety of design concepts in pre-planning discussions, and the one granted and subsequently constructed, was the design agreed upon by both developers and planners. That should be kept in mind when discussing the development of the Victoria Cross/Wilton Road area.

      I agree that there are many fine residencies in the area – and I would support outright their security – however, the development of Victoria Cross as a student centred location is borne out of CCC policies concerning such development. Intentions were laid by the council to focus student accommodation in purpose built accommodations, in part, to make available city centre housing to family activity/owner-occupiers. There is a degree of very positive logic to this – and in many ways, I do support it. The fact is, if you take accommodations in places like College Road or Connaught Avenue – the proximity to UCC Main Campus, the relative ‘freedom’ that comes attached and on-par rents are always going to draw an element of the student population. Moreover, these locations have seen house prices soar in response to their associated markets – the average house price along College Road as of March 2005 was just under รขโ€šยฌ445,000 (the assessment included many of the larger expensive houses with the smaller, less expensive houses and the average ended up mid-way I suppose! :confused: ) with many houses peaking at รขโ€šยฌ675,000 and up. These figures are well above the levels of affordability for the majority of young or even mature families and punters at large – given they could easily afford a house twice the size with extensive gardens along the city limits somewhere for the same price.

      A shift is coming into effect in the Victoria Cross area re: student residencies – indeed, many of the developments that got the early greenlight (the majority UCC backed efforts) have been somewhat lacking in the desired realms of design. Farranlea Hall works because of the topography site and masking of the project by tree-cover – so that the bulk of the structure is cleverly hidden, and Patrick Cashman & Associates didn’t do such a bad job at the end of the day at all. Unfortunately, it would seem one of the better designed student projects in the area,Tom McCarthy’s plans (designed by Murray O’Laoire) adjacent to the Kingsley Hotel, will not be proceeding (perhaps because of Mr. Montgomery’s efforts nearby???). As for occupying these schemes, I think there will be an initial oversupply of accommodation (over the next year to 2 years?) but this will gradually fall in line with demand as more student based activities emerge to satisfy the occupancies and projected increases in student attendances at both UCC & CIT are met. Also, there is a trend factor which has to be accounted for.

      As for Frinailla and crew, it should be noted that Frinailla’s projects are not student targeted – and in fairness to the company, they have aimed at a higher standard of design (and I expect they will continue to do so more and more). CCC have been given ‘bookmarks’ on their required design standards now, and are luckily in a position to enforce these demanded standards nowadays more and more. That’s not to say some bloopers still slip through now and again.

      Policy has supported much of the reshaping of the Victoria Cross/Wilton Road area – and indeed the investment should be welcomed, but the important thing will be to earmarked the appropriate zones for such schemes (like adjacent to the main roadways stated above) and not allowing them physically intrude into the important residential areas nearby. The stretches of sites aligning the Wilton Road and the southern side of Victoria Cross, I would believe are suitable for such developments. There will however, inevitably, always be borders – it’s a matter of properly defining these borders.

      One project that bugged me for a while was the proposal to construct a student block on the site of the former Orchard House Hotel (along Orchard Road) – this is an example of poor planning and consideration in development – dropping an out of context building slap-bang in the middle of a predominantly residential community of low-rise detached houses (neatly shaded from development nearby thanks to the curvature of the road and tree-linings) is a mistake.

    • #757753
      jungle
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      Whoa – check out the rims on that baby! ๐Ÿ˜€

      Thanks jungle – how do you feel about it’s look in the flesh? (Well flesh in the making).

      From the outside it looks like so many other airports I’ve seen the world over. It’s not a bad design, but there is little originality.

      I can’t imagine that the inside will show any hugely original touches either, but as long as it cleans up the situation where 8 flights are trying to use 2 baggage belts at 9pm on a Friday evening I’ll be pretty happy as one of the airport’s most regular users.

    • #757754
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ You may remember I promised details on a docklands project not so long ago – well I’m reliably informed that the project will now seek planning.

      Destined for the Nat Ross premises along the Monahan Road, in the South Docklands, Niall & Sheila Doris (owners of the Beverly Smyth Group – which owns Nat Ross) are seeking permission to construct 104 residential units and 3567sq m of business/technology facilities over a large basement car-parking facility. A creche will also be included in the development, valued at approx. รขโ€šยฌ40m. The architects for the project are SDA O’Flynn, now based along Skehard Road – the layout of the proposal will form 5 linked buildings with 2 @ 4-storeys, 1 @ 6-storeys, 1 @ 8 storeys and 1 @ 10-storeys. I understand that 5 2-storey terraced houses will also be included in the plan.

      The project, along with McCarthy Developments’ plan for a new 8-storey office building (designed by Murray O’Laoire) along Centre Park Road, issue the first concrete steps in the redevelopment of Cork’s South Docklands.

      A decision on the development is expected for the 6th October 2005.

      Images soon.



      *UPDATE*

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž Also worth noting today is Tom O’Riordan and his plans for the Western Star pub along the Western Road. Mr. O’Riordan intends to construct 12 new medical suites following a partial-demolition of the infamous student bar – the proposal will link up with the access route in place to the Bons Secours Hospital across the river. Wilson Architecture are behind the design.

    • #757755
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      Cork Heritage Open Day will see nearly 30 of Corkรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs most fascinating buildings many of which have never been by the public before, open their doors free of charge for one day only on Saturday September the 10th 2005. The Lord Mayor Councillor Deirdre Clune, will open this exciting event at 9.30 a.m. by visiting the historic home of the Lord Mayor of Cork at the Mercy Hospital Mansion House.
      Cork Heritage Open Day is a unique event which will be held on Saturday the 10 th of September 2005, celebrating the amazing architecture and history of the Built Heritage in the Cork City Region.
      Corkรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs Built Heritage tells the tale of wars and peace, learning and praying, high living and humble beginnings through buildings such as Collins Barracks, Blackrock Castle, The Life time Lab, The Unitarian Church, The Clarion Hotel Penthouse and Frank O Connor House to mention a few.
      Many of these breathtaking buildings have never been open to the public in this manner before and are relatively unknown to visitors and the citizens of Cork. Cork Heritage Open Day invites you to explore Corkรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs hidden treasures and enjoy the unique story of Corkรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs Built Heritage.

      http://www.corkheritageopenday.ie

    • #757756
      A-ha
      Participant

      wow jungle, impressive picture. how did you manage to get so close? ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757757
      jungle
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      wow jungle, impressive picture. how did you manage to get so close? ๐Ÿ™‚

      It was taken from my camera phone when I was boarding a flight to Amsterdam.

    • #757758
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž Howard Holdings have been taken to appeal by David Matthews (Matthews Centre) regarding their plans for a new 7-storey Comfort Inn at No.16 Lavitts Quay, design by Reddy O’Riordan Staehli. The รขโ€šยฌ20m project was recently greenlit by CCC – images are featured of the development earlier in this thread. The project, which was subject to substantial revisions, features 7-storeys to the rear of No.16 Lavitts Quay (which will be incoprorated for cafe and office use), a retail unit, basement parking and just under 114 rooms (following CCC conditions).



      ๐Ÿ™‚ Atlas Developments (a John Cleary Developments enterprise) has been greenlit for a noteworthy light industrial/business proposal along the Old Mallow Road. 21 units are to be constructed over 3 floors and a 54-space basement car-park. The building will equal 2292sq m in floor space. Niall Fitzsimons were Consulting Engineers on the scheme,



      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ The appeal against the Country Club Hotel in Montenotte, which was seeking to extend with a development of 18 no. executive suites, leisure and fitness centre and 19 no. holiday units, has been withdrawn – this paves the way for progress on the hotel’s expansion.

    • #757759
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž Howard Holdings have been taken to appeal by David Matthews (Matthews Centre) regarding their plans for a new 7-storey Comfort Inn at No.16 Lavitts Quay, design by Reddy O’Riordan Staehli. The รขโ€šยฌ20m project was recently greenlit by CCC – images are featured of the development earlier in this thread, which I will try and get back up for this post later tonight. The project, which was subject to substantial revisions, features 7-storeys to the rear of No.16 Lavitts Quay (which will be incoprorated for cafe and office use), a reatil unit, basement parking and just under 114 rooms (following CCC conditions).

      As well as being a god awful design, this Hotel will block out one of the very few views on Shandon from St. Patrick Street.
      Next time you’re outside River Island look straight up Maylor Street – its pretty impressive.
      I know the Development Plan protects views of listed buildings so thats another reason why i’d support David Matthews appeal.



      Speaking of St. Patrick Street, the new shopfront on the AIB adjacent to Penneys is a beauty. In particular the side of the building heading down along Robert Street is beautiful- really sleek and very well finished in limestone. It was worth the wait!
      AIB at the other end of the street (adjacent to Waterstones) will close when this one opens. This will leave another vacant store on the Street! Unlike some of the others though, this is of a more attractive size for retailers i’d imagine.


      What do people think of the new apartments gone up on Blarney Street- the rear of which are most visible from Bachelors Quay, etc. They certainly make a big impact on the skyline in this sensitive area. Thank god they used pitched roofs- architects (or maybe that should be accountants?) seem to have an obsession with nasty flat roofs even when pitched roofs dominate in a particular area.
      I’ll try to post some pictures of the Blarney Street development in the next few days.


      Below are the current figures for the Stirling Prize vote on BBConline.
      If you haven’t voted already you can do so here.

      BMW, Leipzig
      7.43%
      Lewis Glucksman Gallery, Cork
      33.06%

      Scottish Parliament, Edinburgh
      17.62%
      McLaren Centre, Woking
      25.88%

      Jubilee Library, Brighton
      9.16%
      Fawood Children’s Centre, Harlesden
      6.86%

      17622 Votes Cast

    • #757760
      securityman
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Atlas Developments (a Noel O’Flynn enterprise) has been greenlit for a noteworthy light industrial/business proposal along the Old Mallow Road. 21 units are to be constructed over 3 floors and a 54-space basement car-park. The building will equal 2292sq m in floor space. Niall Fitzsimons were Consulting Engineers on the scheme,
      .

      Is this a seperate building to the warehouse being built at the moment on the old mallow road next door to Flemings development for Blackpool Bowl & Leisure

    • #757761
      jungle
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      AIB at the other end of the street (adjacent to Waterstones) will close when this one opens. This will leave another vacant store on the Street! Unlike some of the others though, this is of a more attractive size for retailers i’d imagine.

      I can see that being demolished and something new built there. A store won’t easily go into an old bank. Also, (from memory) a lot of the building is only one storey.

    • #757762
      Leesider
      Participant

      @jungle wrote:

      I can see that being demolished and something new built there. A store won’t easily go into an old bank. Also, (from memory) a lot of the building is only one storey.

      How about a bar?? Doubt if they would allow it on Patrick’s St though!

    • #757763
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @jungle wrote:

      I can see that being demolished and something new built there. A store won’t easily go into an old bank. Also, (from memory) a lot of the building is only one storey.

      I think you’re confusing the AIB Bank with the Bank of Ireland nearby- this was refurbished about 3 years ago.
      There is no chance of AIB being demolished it is almost definately a listed building.

      Here it is:


      Seems a shame if this was to turn into another monsoon or some other foreign fashion shop.



      On a totally unrelated subject: as was discussed recently on this thread, The Grand Parade is being re-modelled. It’ll be interesting to note what is done with the bollard located near the entrance of Bishop Lucey Park. I hope the powers that be have the good sense to leave it where it is. It’s made from the inverted barrel of a canon and is one of my favourite little gems on the streets of Cork. It’s apparently unknown where it comes from, but for my money, i’d say its a remnant of the statue which used to be positioned where the National Monument is now. They’re circled in this Cork Camera Club image. Can anybody shed any more light on the subject?
      Note the horse in the centre of the pcture is where the street gets its Irish name Sraid an Capaill Bui (Yellow Horse Street), although that particular shade of yellow is slightly exagerated ๐Ÿ™‚
      There’s a great story about the statue. Apparently it was always a bit on the wobbly side and began leaning over soon after it was constructed – you can see the struts supporting it in the image below. One night some “tired and emotional” inhabitants manages to push King George off his perch and into the river. The bronze statue was apparently melted down but it’s head remains somewhere in England- or so the story goes.

      Sorry for this little aside- but it is the silly season after all! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757764
      A-ha
      Participant

      A while back, someone posted a message about a crematorium being built on Howbouline island? Anyone got some updates on this? And securityman, any idea when Harvey Norman are due to open it’s doors to the public?? I expect it will create a huge amount of competion between both PC World and Soundstore.

    • #757765
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Oyster Developments are to now seek permission for the 2nd Phase of their Deane Street/Parnell Place office development. Previously, architects The e-Project, applied on behalf of the Killarney-based development company, to develop a new 7-storey office building on the former O’Brien premises to the rear of No.8 Parnell Place – the latest application will seek to incorporate No.8 Parnell Place (a PS) calling for permission to change usage of the premises from retail and storage, to office on all 4 floors. The lodgement includes proposals for changes (replacement) of the central windows along the western elevation (fronting Parnell Place), creation of space for a roof-light area and 4 large openings on the northern (Bus Station) elevation.

      The images below show 1. No.8 Parnell Place (western elevation) fronting the street. and 2. The new office building in relation to No.8 (which can be seen to the right of the office building) – this is a perspective of the northern elevation which will be subject to the 4 new light opening features.

      1.
      2.



      Nat Ross Redevelopment

      For the life of me, I have no idea why my images of the Nat Ross site won’t upload – however, the project by Niall & Sheila Doris – seeks (as mentioned previously) to construct 104 residential units over 3 4-storey blocks, a 7-storey block and 10-storey tower all interlinked – over 2 floors of business/technology accommodation and basement car-parking. A creche and 5 2-storey terraced houses will also form part of the project – I believe Johnathan Horgan (open for correction on that) with SDA O’Flynn was involved in the project design. The site is not far removed from Centre Park House and the Goldcrop site now being redeveloped by McCarthy Developments as an 8-storey, 100,000sq ft office scheme. The actual Nat Ross is not as large as you may actually think, but indeed sufficient. I wonder how planners will judge the scheme – though I believe the docklands are more than sufficiently capable of hosting buildings of this height (peaking a 10 storeys) and certainly perhaps, some taller buildings closer to the waterfront – the Nat Ross site borders close to residential areas and this may have some impact on the project in terms of submissions, conditions etc. The lower height buildings will edge closer to the residential areas – however the site is adequately well shielded by groupings of relatively tall trees to the south of the site – which should help minimise any negative impacts residents may be concerned about.

      As I said, images will come soon and in the event of their absence, and the further absence of site images (for the time being) – a simple map outlining the approximate (not dead-on) location of the Nat Ross site (and the McCarthy Developments scheme nearby) is posted below. Sorry – it’ll have to do until I can get someone more technically apt than myself to sort out the problems with uploads. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ


    • #757766
      jungle
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      I think you’re confusing the AIB Bank with the Bank of Ireland nearby- this was refurbished about 3 years ago.

      My mistake. You are correct.

      My excuse is that I bank with Ulster Bank and don’t need to know which is which ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757767
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Ridge Developments are today erecting a new tower crane over Paul Montgomery & Edmund Kenneally’s Phase 2 site of Victora Mills, designed by Derek Tynan & Associates. The 2nd Phase development will range in height between 5-storeys to the rear (south) and 4-storeys fronting Victoria Cross – over an extended basement. A large commercial unit will occupy much of the ground floor area and 31 student apartments will form the remainder of the project.



      ๐Ÿ™‚ Frinailla Developments have donated a six-figure sum to the Cork2005 fund – joining the likes of OCP, Bowen Group and Shipton Group, who have also donated generously. As recognised by Director of Cork2005, John Kennedy ( ๐Ÿ˜‰ ), members of the development & construction community in Cork have been among the most vehement and generous supporters of the Capital of Culture reign. Good show.


    • #757768
      securityman
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      A while back, someone posted a message about a crematorium being built on Howbouline island? Anyone got some updates on this? And securityman, any idea when Harvey Norman are due to open it’s doors to the public?? I expect it will create a huge amount of competion between both PC World and Soundstore.

      Id say by October is the plan, they will bring major competition to the area considering that pc world are moving into Mahon aswell. Id say you could see someone else of that nature moving into the second phase of Blackpool when its open aswell. Anyway its all good for the consumer in Cork.

    • #757769
      A-ha
      Participant

      Thx securityman, I heard Dixons are keeping an eye on a Cork location, but I believe more of a city centre property, Acadamy St. or the Coal Quay perhaps? And for anyone in the know, what about the crematorium?? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757770
      lawyer
      Participant
      A-ha wrote:
      Thx securityman, I heard Dixons are keeping an eye on a Cork location, but I believe more of a city centre property, Acadamy St. or the Coal Quay perhaps? And for anyone in the know, what about the crematorium?? ]
      Dont worry, A-ha.
      It will be there in time for you.
    • #757771
      A-ha
      Participant

      Oh my buddah, I love a sense of humour, but I am being totally serious. I really need some information on it and can’t get any on the web, I dont even know if I’m spelling the name of the island correctly! Oh, and there was one supposed to be built in Ovens a few years back (don’t even get me started on the ironic side of it), but the plans fell through. ๐Ÿ™

    • #757772
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      T&C partnership have been given permission by CCC for the complete demolition of what remains of the old Capuchin Church on Blackmore lane (which the company illegally demolished last year).
      Both the company involved and Cork City Council should be ashamed of themselves.

      It seems it is now a free-for-all.

      If anybody wants me i’ll be up at St.Finbarres Cathedral with my wrecking ball — I fancy some student apartments and lets face it, who’s going to stop me??

    • #757773
      lexington
      Participant

      Yeah, it’s something I have somewhat of an issue with as well. It’s sort of like Jim Mansfield starting working on his Citywest Convention Centre without formal permission, then being granted permission after all that. Only, in my opinion, this is worse in that a part of history has been lost. I knew when I heard the news a bit of controversy would be sparked by this decision – and rightly so. Not only were T&C’s actions illegal and not only has history been lost – but such moves are bad news for others who adhere to the whole planning process properly. It makes a mockery of the planning system and a mockery of those who comply with the law.

      I probably wouldn’t go so far as to say a ”free for all” I don’t believe that to be true – and in all fairness to the planner, his job was to assess the application on the basis of the proposal, it’s imapcts, scale etc etc. The Local Authority as a power was vested with the responsibility to address the situation of legality, considering the occurence happened outside an application (legal issues within a lodgement are subject to the planning process/planner etc).

      It’s not a particularly fair result in that respect – and I do know it has ticked off a number of citizens, developers and the like.

    • #757774
      A-ha
      Participant


      I know we are all sick of looking at this picture, but what type of metal will the pillars be made out of in front of the airport. Everyone takes the piss out of the Spire because it’s so dirty. I hope this wont be the case in our ass smacking brand new terminal! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757775
      pier39
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      ๐Ÿ™‚ You may remember I promised details on a docklands project not so long ago – well I’m reliably informed that the project will now seek planning.

      Destined for the Nat Ross premises along the Monahan Road, in the South Docklands, Niall & Sheila Doris (owners of the Beverly Smyth Group – which owns Nat Ross) are seeking permission to construct 104 residential units and 3567sq m of business/technology facilities over a large basement car-parking facility. A creche will also be included in the development, valued at approx. รขโ€šยฌ50m. The architects for the project are SDA O’Flynn, now based along Skehard Road – the layout of the proposal will form 5 linked buildings ranging in height between 4, 7 and 10 storeys. I understand that 5 2-storey terraced houses will also be included in the plan.

      The project, along with McCarthy Developments’ plan for a new 8-storey office building (designed by Murray O’Laoire) along Centre Park Road, issue the first concrete steps in the redevelopment of Cork’s South Docklands.

      A decision on the development is expected for the 6th October 2005.

      Images soon.



      good news! cant wait to see the pics. heard about this sometime ago and glad to see it in the planning run.

      also what of the western star, or the star, to its alumni. many a pleasant evening spent i there – is it being torn apart for some unexciting medical plan? what a shame. ๐Ÿ™

    • #757776
      lexington
      Participant

      With the excavations on the project well underway, the Frank Ennis & Associates designed scheme is set to hit primary construction in September 2005. The 6-storey redevelopment project will include 65 apartments, 66 basement car-parking spaces and a new 170,000sq ft retail mall of 9 large units. Rockfell Investments (Michael O’Donoghue) had been in discussions with OCP to link up their project with a refurbished Paul Street S.C., Academy Street and others – a subsequent application will be lodged at some future date to achieve this.

      Below are long-awaited images of the development, the 1st looks south down along Cornmarket Street from Kyle Street (I hope they are something of an improvement on the former images I had posted), the 2nd is a drawing of the Cornmarket Street elevation.

      Note the extensive copper canopy added subsequent of Significant Further Info/Revised Plans – the curvelinear canopy is intended to break any blocky elevational dimensions allowing for a smoother form to the overall structure. The new project incorporates/retains a number of existing structures and facades – most notably the Musgrave Building’s striking red-brick Cornmarket Street elevation. Further back the building is divided into sections allowing for open-spaces, like landscpaed courtyards for residents. I think the copper canopy immeasurably adds to the overall form of the new building and allows for a smoother fitting into the current street scape – as oppose to what could alternatively been another blocky 6-storey structure. The canopy also gives the building a little more distinction as a stand-alone project.

      – worth noting, as a comparitive, the 2nd image includes an outline of the original 1999 proposal by Michael O’Donoghue, for a 400-bedroom 9-storey hotel. The scheme was also designed by Niall Coffey of Frank Ennis & Associates, and though granted by CCC, was refused on appeal. The scheme would have also included a substantial commercial and conferencing element. It’s roof-top design seemed to hark at the famous Roches Stores building along Patrick’s Street.

      Rockfell may also be seeking to acquire adjoining buildings in the near future to allow for an extension of the development giving them a Daunt Square frontage/footfall.



      Also on Cornmarket Street, though it may be a little while off yet, hopes are high that another significant development may take shape over the coming months. An important, recently purchased location – may see the historic facades retained with a vertical extension, sympathetically designed, rising from the premises. I’ll say no more for now.

    • #757777
      A-ha
      Participant

      Does no-body not care about my crematorium? Come on, someone out there must know at least a teeney weeney bit of information on it! I wont let the subject go that easily. And the idea of connecting all the shopping centres sounds so odd for Cork. It’s like a giant step into the future or something. It’s so continental. :p

    • #757778
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜€ Pitwood Limited have been granted permission for a new hotel development at Beasley Street and Parnell Place, subject to 18 conditions. The original plan called for the development of a 5-storey, 121 bedroom hotel over spa and double-deck basement car-park – however, a number of concerns were raised by the Planning Dept.in response to the application. Among them issues of height, relation to the former Provincial Bank (now TCH HQ), traffic management, ground floor usage at Parnell Place and design quality. Concerns were also issued on how the protected structures of No.17 & 18 Parnell Place (facades) were to be incoporated into the new development. A substantial redesign was requested through Significant Further Information – which, when received was considered adequate. The revised plans, submitted in July, will now host 116 bedrooms over 4 and 5 floors. The resulting design will given Cork something of a limestone “Guggenheim Museum” inspired (???) elevation at Beasley Street and South Mall, which is, I must say both unusual and impressive.

      The 0.18 hectare site is owned by Corbett Bros., Pitwood Limited’s backers are involved with other hotel ventures in Ireland – including Setanta House Hotel and Carton House in Kildare – and are based in Monaghan.

      James Leahy & Associates were involved in the project with Niall Fitzsimons Ltd acting as Consulting Engineers.

      The image below offers a perspective looking down Beasley Street from South Mall – this western elevation forms the rear of the hotel with access to the basement car-park. The eastern/Parnell Place elevation is formed by the No.17 & 18 protected facades. This elevation is a unique and unusual mix of angles and shapes cladding with varying sizes and colourations of limestone.

    • #757779
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      Does no-body not care about my crematorium? :p

      As far as i know, the crematorium is planned for Rocky Island in Cork Harbour. This is surprise surprise, a small rocky outcrop between the mainland (at ringaskiddy) and Haulbowline (containing the former Irish Steel site and Irish Naval Headquarters).
      As for who’s behind it, im not sure.

      It’ll be interesting to see what becomes of the Irish ISPAT site after the eventual clean up. Is it State property now?


      Those images of Cornmarket Street make me a lot happier than the previous images. I’d agree with lexington- the structure on the roof makes the building.
      Lex, I presume your hinting at a redevelopment of The Loft furniture store. Thats my guess at least. The cornmarket bar next door has been well done and if this is done along the same lines i’d be very happy. Less is more here i think!!


      Great news too about Beasly Street/ Parnell Place. Lets hope no more time is wasted. Those protected facades are looking weaker and weaker every week.

    • #757780
      mickeydocs
      Participant

      Great news too about Beasly Street/ Parnell Place. Lets hope no more time is wasted. Those protected facades are looking weaker and weaker every week.[/QUOTE]

      Nice to see alot of activity on Parnell Street… it has been ignored for far too long.

    • #757781
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      It’s worth taking a look at the Cornmarket Street Area Development Plan on the CCC website for some interesting insights into the way people are thinking about the future development of the area.
      In particular, it deals in depth with the Guys site, The Loft site and the Kyrls Quay sites (the subject of a recent competition).

      Some interesting visuals from the plan are set out below:

      Sites for development in the area:

      A possible park at the Northern end of the area:

      The improved street market:

    • #757782
      A-ha
      Participant

      Thumbs Up Thanks for that information. I knew someone would give me something in time. Rocky Island…. and here’s me thinking that it was on Haulbowline Island (I knew I was spelling it wrong). Thanks again.

    • #757783
      Tucholsky
      Participant

      Affordable Housing
      Does anyone have any information regarding the way that Part V of the Planning and Development Act is being enforced by CCC. According to the Dept of Enviroment statistics they have only acquired 6 housing units and no land under it during the last 4 years even though they state that this is their preference. Instead in all other cases they are taking money and the amounts seem very small. What is the reason for this policy given that there are 750 on the affordable housing waiting list and the Dublin authorities are doing the opposite i.e they are requiring developers to hand over housing. Are they trading affordable housing for favours in other areas or is there some other explanation?

    • #757784
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      All I can say about the Rockfell plan is that I’m impressed (from what’s posted anyway). I hadn’t seen much on this other than the initial plans. A tremendous improvement. Hopefully it’ll materialise in the flesh well.

    • #757785
      lexington
      Participant

      *UPDATES*

      ๐Ÿ™‚ McCarthy Developments are currently in preplanning discussions with CCC regarding a further, significant city centre-ish development. The plans, at this early stage, seem pretty impressive – I hope to bring you more details shortly.

      ๐Ÿ™ Riga Limited (OCP) – who in accordance with their ABP grant to redevelop Jurys Doyle Cork Hotel and its lands along Lancaster Quay, recently (as posted) resubmitted plans for a new pedestrian and vehicular bridge at the Western Road, connecting to the development site. The application also included plans for revised finishings to the hotel element’s elevations etc. However, and one could probably have predicted this, Bridget Healy (of Cafe Paradiso and Sunday’s Well) is again objecting to the plans – along with another gentleman. Traffic is cited as a cause for objection. Personally, I think it’s a pretty inappropriate objection given that the development is now under construction – having been greenlit by ABP, and centralising the input and output of traffic movements from the development through one bridge would have a dire consequence on the area. The additional access point is in part designed to aid congestion, if anything. The details on the material finishes seem fine. But there you have it I suppose. Personally, and this is said with all respect – I think Ms. Healy would be better focused on getting CCC to amend the disastrous rearrangement of traffic lanes on the quay – I know she has been vocal on it – but the workings of the new routes seem to have disbenefit the streets more than anything…but then again, maybe there is some far seen logic to it all. :confused:



      @Tucholsky wrote:

      Affordable Housing
      Does anyone have any information regarding the way that Part V of the Planning and Development Act is being enforced by CCC. According to the Dept of Enviroment statistics they have only acquired 6 housing units and no land under it during the last 4 years even though they state that this is their preference. Instead in all other cases they are taking money and the amounts seem very small. What is the reason for this policy given that there are 750 on the affordable housing waiting list and the Dublin authorities are doing the opposite i.e they are requiring developers to hand over housing. Are they trading affordable housing for favours in other areas or is there some other explanation?

      CCC have been active in a number of Section V provisions. A number of developments, including those by O’Brien & O’Flynn, and excess-provision schemes by Coleman Brothers/Fleming Construction, McInerney and Barry Supple/Paul Montgomery are currently catering for Affordable/Social needs – combined, the units should make available in excess of 350 high-quality units for these such requirements. I’m not familiar with the DoE figures, perhaps you could post them or offer a link to the details. The total social/affordable list held by CCC is actually in excess of 4,000. It is expected the forthcoming application by Manor Park Homes for Horgan’s Quay which proposes over 1,000 new homes, will also be subject to the 20% Section V requirement.



      d_d_dallas – agreed, Frank Ennis & Associates have taken what could have been another blocky, so-so scheme and jazzed it up a great deal by adding simple touches. I think it represents the sign of a good architect/developer relationship where a degree of pride in both their work activities was displayed and accommodation was made to facilitate improvements and enhancements in their project.

    • #757786
      Tucholsky
      Participant

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Tucholsky
      Affordable Housing
      Does anyone have any information regarding the way that Part V of the Planning and Development Act is being enforced by CCC. According to the Dept of Enviroment statistics they have only acquired 6 housing units and no land under it during the last 4 years even though they state that this is their preference. Instead in all other cases they are taking money and the amounts seem very small. What is the reason for this policy given that there are 750 on the affordable housing waiting list and the Dublin authorities are doing the opposite i.e they are requiring developers to hand over housing. Are they trading affordable housing for favours in other areas or is there some other explanation?

      CCC have been active in a number of Section V provisions. A number of developments, including those by O’Brien & O’Flynn, and excess-provision schemes by Coleman Brothers/Fleming Construction, McInerney and Barry Supple/Paul Montgomery are currently catering for Affordable/Social needs – combined, the units should make available in excess of 350 high-quality units for these such requirements. I’m not familiar with the DoE figures, perhaps you could post them or offer a link to the details. The total social/affordable list held by CCC is actually in excess of 4,000. It is expected the forthcoming application by Manor Park Homes for Horgan’s Quay which proposes over 1,000 new homes, will also be subject to the 20% Section V requirement.

      Really !!! Thanks for the information. If this is the case there seems to have been a change of policy. Do you have any idea when these developments will be completed. The official govt figures are available on

      http://www.environ.ie/DOEI/DOEIPub.nsf/wvNavView/RegularPublications?OpenDocument&Lang=en#I2

      Housing units acquired under Part V by Cork City Council.

      2003 0
      2004 0
      2005 (to Apr) 6 ( in progress 0)

      The Council recently accepted a payment of รขโ€šยฌ9,000 in lieu of housing units from Coleman brothers. I think that there are currently about 4000 on the social waiting list and about 750 on the affordable waiting list, but that will probably increase dramatically if the Council begins acquiring housing units.

    • #757787
      A-ha
      Participant

      When is work due to get started on Eglington Street? More importantly, when is it to be finished? I can’t wait to see it in Cork’s skyline. Hehee, I’m so excited now.

    • #757788
      Anonymous
      Participant

      if they go as slow there as they do here in dublin it’ll be a few years. lol. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757789
      A-ha
      Participant

      Ohh god, I hope not. I want to be still young enough to run up all the stairs and back down again.

    • #757790
      Anonymous
      Participant

      i agree. i would love to see ireland embrase skyscrapers in my lifetime too. i know a few have been agreed upon, 32 storeys and so on but i can’t help thinking it’s too good to be true. i’ll believe it when i see it. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757791
      A-ha
      Participant

      Same here, they say they’ll build it, but they wont say when. I love some of the new sky scrapers in London. Alot of thought is put behind them and it shows. Good, high quality design….. you just can’t beat it.

    • #757792
      Anonymous
      Participant

      some of the buildings in london are nice yes. i love the easter egg one but can never think of it’s name.

    • #757793
      A-ha
      Participant

      London Bridge Tower is also a fantastic design. I can’t wait to see it when it’s built. Is the Easter Egg one that your referring to the Gherkin/Swiss Re building by Norman Foster? I think you can climb up it from the outside. Some tourist attraction! Why can’t people just stick to normal things like Big Ben or Madame Tussauds.
      Swiss Re. Building
      Swiss Re. Building
      London Bridge Tower

      Big Ben

    • #757794
      Anonymous
      Participant

      yes that’s the one i’m talking about.

    • #757795
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      The County Hall is still the tallest building in the country. Any news on when it is due for completion?

      Also, anybody know the latest on the School of Music debacle?

    • #757796
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      Didn’t Jarvis run into some financial troubles? So much for PPP in the education sector.

    • #757797
      lexington
      Participant

      @d_d_dallas wrote:

      Didn’t Jarvis run into some financial troubles? So much for PPP in the education sector.

      German firm Hochtief acquired the Jarvis PPP division and were scheduled to sign contracts on the Cork School of Music by the end of July – but so far, I’ve heard nothing yet. Construction was then scheduled for September with John Sisk & Sons Ltd. My optimism is being consistently dented with this debacle – but I’m holding tight for an August contract finalisation.

      RM – Cork County Hall’s redevelopment is on schedule for a November 2005 completion.

    • #757798
      pier39
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      ๐Ÿ˜€ Pitwood Limited have been granted permission for a new hotel development at Beasley Street and Parnell Place, subject to 18 conditions. The original plan called for the development of a 5-storey, 121 bedroom hotel over spa and double-deck basement car-park – however, a number of concerns were raised by the Planning Dept.in response to the application. Among them issues of height, relation to the former Provincial Bank (now TCH HQ), traffic management, ground floor usage at Parnell Place and design quality. Concerns were also issued on how the protected structures of No.17 & 18 Parnell Place (facades) were to be incoporated into the new development. A substantial redesign was requested through Significant Further Information – which, when received was considered adequate. The revised plans, submitted in July, will now host 116 bedrooms over 4 and 5 floors. The resulting design will given Cork something of a limestone “Guggenheim Museum” inspired (???) elevation at Beasley Street and South Mall, which is, I must say both unusual and impressive.

      The 0.18 hectare site is owned by Corbett Bros., Pitwood Limited’s backers are involved with other hotel ventures in Ireland – including Setanta House Hotel and Carton House in Kildare – and are based in Monaghan.

      James Leahy & Associates were involved in the project with Niall Fitzsimons Ltd acting as Consulting Engineers.

      The image below offers a perspective looking down Beasley Street from South Mall – this western elevation forms the rear of the hotel with access to the basement car-park. The eastern/Parnell Place elevation is formed by the No.17 & 18 protected facades. This elevation is a unique and unusual mix of angles and shapes cladding with varying sizes and colourations of limestone.

      holy testicle tuesday! almost missed this one!!! saw the original plans on one of me rare trips down to the planning office and cant say it did the biz for mise but the revised plan looks pretty wow! very impressed – pity the image isnt any clearer, lex when you get those improvements will ya please post up a pic a little clearer? thanks mate ๐Ÿ˜‰ – either way the facade looks pretty good on beasly st elevation. i see james leahy is making a bit of a niche for his firm with this style of design – i think it suits them – their camden qy design seems like to be prep for this with its curved canopies and strange shapes. the parnell hotel plan here seems to have abandoned the trad 90degree idea in exchange for varying angular aspects. the use of variations in the limestone claddings color and size adds to the inconsistent effect and the support column at the ground floor of 93 south mall almost seems gehry-esque – position at a 70degree angle(?) rather than boring old 90. ooooo im all excited! keep these kinda ideas up jimmy! tis mighty and will do the city no harm to have a bit of ooo lala! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757799
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      @pier39 wrote:

      ……….the parnell hotel plan here seems to have abandoned the trad 90degree idea in exchange for varying angular aspects. the use of variations in the limestone claddings color and size adds to the inconsistent effect and the support column at the ground floor of 93 south mall almost seems gehry-esque – position at a 70degree angle(?) rather than boring old 90. ooooo im all excited! keep these kinda ideas up jimmy! tis mighty and will do the city no harm to have a bit of ooo lala! ๐Ÿ˜€

      If it’s not a right angle, it’s a wrong angle – seems a little too much for me. What does the view from Parnell Street look like? Almost missed those images as well.

    • #757800
      A-ha
      Participant

      Congratulations! Our superior forum has finally hit the 20,000 mark in terms of views. Has anyone got any pictures of the old City Hall before it was burned down? Who built it and what did it look like? Also, can’t wait to see the County Hall when it is completed. It was so hidious before they started to fix it up. Talk about 1970’s office block!

    • #757801
      lexington
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      If it’s not a right angle, it’s a wrong angle – seems a little too much for me. What does the view from Parnell Street look like?

      I would have to argue that sentiment RM, and I’m sure you’ll find many of the world’s top architects such as Libeskind, Gehry and Calatrava – have in part, earned their positions in response to the decision not to follow this ideology. As Libeskind himself has said, “…there are 359 other degrees out there, why must we always follow one?…”

      Following the idea that anything other than a right angle is wrong, would never have led to works like the Guggenheim, Valencia Opera House – even the Swiss Re building, all regarded as being among the best examples of contemporary architecture in the world today. Of course opinions can and do differ.

      The Pitwood hotel proposal adds something interesting to a streetscape that could otherwise be yet another boring example of ‘backstreet’ architecture – keep it boring because no-one will ever see it, so no-one should care. Had the same philosophy been adhered to when the Crawford Gallery was constructing it’s extension onto Half Moon Street, Cork would have been left with perhaps another ‘so-so’ backstreet. I think the hotel’s elevation adds a little character to its surrounds.

      The Parnell Street elevation has been altered so that the originally proposed mansard roof has been removed in respect of the facade’s intergrity, with a step-down in height, and mild step-back of the new structure from the facades so that they remain linked and part of the new development, without compromising their history. A reduction in height to the rear of the TCH HQ has also been afforded to reduce any excessive over-scaled elevation and damage to the important corner structure (formerly the Provincial Bank/AIB). ๐Ÿ™‚



      @A-ha wrote:

      When is work due to get started on Eglington Street? More importantly, when is it to be finished? I can’t wait to see it in Cork’s skyline. Hehee, I’m so excited now.

      At the current moment, it would seem as though OFC are not set to begin construction on the Eglinton Street scheme until early 2006 (Feburary-ish). The Eglinton Street site may see some prepartory works commence on the site before then – but at this point in time, a number of issues make it unlikely that we will see construction on the project until then. That is of course, unless these issues fall through or readdressed elsewhere.

    • #757802
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      anyone know when the Douglas s/c extension is meant to start and just wondering what peoples views are on the citys border extension are and does anyone know if its going to happen any time soon?

    • #757803
      A-ha
      Participant

      Feburary 2006 isn’t that bad. I was expecting to hear something along the lines of October-Novemberish 2006. I have a fear that something will go wrong and we’ll end up with the tower part ending up at 5 stories or something, as opposed to the original 17. I know it sounds odd, but thats my feeling. The sooner they get a crane on that site, the better. And what about Water Street, whats the story with the planning application? :confused:

    • #757804
      A-ha
      Participant

      And yes, my trademark BOLD Italic posts have come to an end. Sorry if they bothered ye. Paul told me to lose ’em or I’m out of Archiseek. Oh well, end of an era and I’m so close to my 100th post aswell. ๐Ÿ™ At least I still got me smilies ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757805
      lexington
      Participant

      @daniel_7 wrote:

      anyone know when the Douglas s/c extension is meant to start and just wondering what peoples views are on the citys border extension are and does anyone know if its going to happen any time soon?

      You are referring to Douglas Village S.C., correct? Wilson Architecture were enlisted by The Love Family to design a 60m euro redevelopment of the centre – which was granted. My understanding now is that The Shipton Group are now addressing plans to create a new urban scape spanning a redeveloped Douglas Village S.C. to Douglas Court S.C. nearby. The link will form across roads and lands occupied by Cinema World, Shell Petrol Station and the Permanent TSB. Recently, the group were denied planning for an 8-storey hotel on part of these lands. New plans are in preplanning talks with Cork County Council, and Cork City Council. A new roadway will link the Douglas/South Ring slip-road in the west across to a point linking to the Rochestown Road. The routeway will cause significant traffic congestion during construction no doubt, but will be a traffic management godsend come completion. The Cinema World will be redeveloped – supposedly undergound – with the ground occupied by a series of commercial and residential units, effectively an extended and new town centre area. A part bridge link will connect the 2 shopping centres it is believed.

      No indication of the city border extensions yet daniel7.



      A-ha – I don’t see Eglinton Street facing a tower reduction. The project has currently been appealed by OFC on a first party basis concerning conditions on a number of technicalities, including reductions on the Eglinton Street elevation. OFC are confident in having the 2 Phase project in full swing by next year. And you can expect 2 tower cranes on site, not 1! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757806
      A-ha
      Participant

      Thats good to know, and looking at the extension being put onto the City Hall, it looks as if it’s coming along nicely.

    • #757807
      altuistic
      Participant

      The hotel plan looks interesting, i only hope it materialises well in the flesh.

      Any news of the Dennehys cross plans yet? i await them anxiously.

      I also have taken an interest in the new regional hospital cardiac extension. i saw the photos of it earlier in this forum – but when does it start??

      And i dont know if anyone else has been following the plan by Manorpark Homes to redevelop Mr Haugheys estate in Kinsealy, Dublin but the planning authority criticised the quality of the projects design. what does that mean for Horgans Qy? Will Manorpark produce muck or take heed of the councils request that any application for the site must be of agood architecture level??

    • #757808
      lexington
      Participant

      @altuistic wrote:

      And i dont know if anyone else has been following the plan by Manorpark Homes to redevelop Mr Haugheys estate in Kinsealy, Dublin but the planning authority criticised the quality of the projects design. what does that mean for Horgans Qy? Will Manorpark produce muck or take heed of the councils request that any application for the site must be of agood architecture level??

      Never actually saw the Abbeville proposal, but I did read extracts of the Planners Report noting such issues. MPH have been in discussions for quite sometime with CCC concerning the Horgan’s Quay project – input was afforded the company in the creation of the North Docklands Area Plan, recently published. The desired layout of the Horgan’s Quay site, as stated in the plan, has been noted by MPH’s Planning Consultants Tom Phillips & Associates and the strongly stated request regarding design quality by Joe Gavin (City Manager) and others in CCC has been explicitly expressed. A new precedent has been set in the city, with regards to design standards, I think MPH know, that if they want to see their application pass as much as possible, strong design will have to be administered. Otherwise they will face some unwanted ‘issues’ in planning – and perhaps more work (such as expensive redesigns) than is necessary. The application is important, yes – CCC know this, and I don’t think they would be eager to let it slide, but I don’t think they will be pushed on their demands either. The quayside is so prominent and so strategically important that only a high design standard will click when it comes to permission. Of course we will await the results with anticipation – and keep those fingers crossed. This is a big project for MPH too you must remember, among their flagship projects and certainly the flagship in Cork – I don’t think they’ll be interested in screwing up their own intentions as well, so a win-win situation is hoped for. Plus I hear, for afficianados of the ‘taller building’, one or two components may keep them smiling.

      Manor Park Homes is jointly owned by Joe Moran and DCC, with UCC-graduate Michael O’Driscoll as the company’s CEO.

    • #757809
      Frog1
      Participant

      Any info on a development on Popes road, Blackpool?

    • #757810
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ John Sisk & Sons Ltd hope to be smiling come decision day (tomorrow – August 18th 2005) on their plans to construct a new 93-bedroom, 6-storey hotel on their lands along the Kinsale Road. The site is located just east of their existing Cork HQ offices and will include conferencing facilities, 112 car-parking spaces, dining area and bar. The hotel was designed by New Zealand-based firm David van Ryswyk Architects and will be operated by innovative new chain AbsoluteHotel.com with core designs on the business traveller market. The contemporary style ‘landmark’ hotel has been designed with the intention of acting as a gateway into the city – and is strategically located less than 2km from the main Cork Airport entrance, and 2km from the city centre. The hotel’s hillside location will offer it commanding views north over the city – especially from the upper floors.

      Should no appeal follow within the given 4 weeks following Cork County Council’s decision – Sisk expect to get to work on the project by late September.

      The images below provide a perspective of the south-western (airport facing) facade by day, and the hotel building illuminated by night. Material finishes include black tinted glass panels & limestone cladding.

      A clear outcome on the decision is expected for tomorrow.

    • #757811
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž O’Brien & O’Flynn Limited have been refused planning on appeal for the development of a 35 unit apartment block near the SilverSprings Hotel, running close to a RPZ. The block was previously refused by CCC, and was designed by Dennehy + Dennehy. The units would have been spread over 6 floors, above 2 basement levels and comprised of an area over 55,000sq ft. Previously OBOF had applied for the development of a 15-storey residential tower on the same site – but this was refused last year also on appeal based on its overbearing height and the apparent visual disruption to the locale and RPZ. The tower was also designed by Dennehy + Dennehy – and occupied a small area of the designated site. In part, compensating for a loss of height, the 6-storey application increased it’s occupancy of the area to allow for adequate unit numbers to be accommodated. Unfortunately this was regarded as an overdevelopment of the site and is in part the reason for the project’s refusal by both CCC and ABP.



      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Frinailla’s plans for Ladyswell were due a decision by ABP today – however no word has yet reached the realms, the decision (as often the practice with ABP) may yet be deferred for a few more days.

    • #757812
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      I believe a decision is due on LadysWell on 20th of August.

    • #757813
      pier39
      Participant

      i actually tawt it was today too radioactiveman (the goggles do nothing!!!) ๐Ÿ˜‰ but im open to be corrected on that too. if im wrong i will drag myself out of the office, whack myself across the head with a 4×4 no fewer than 7 times and then handcuff myself to the bumper of the next car i see parked outside a church with a cheap homemade sign in its rear window saying ‘just married’. hmmm….sounds like my bachelor party!

      whatever date it is the ladyswell project will add tremenduously to what has become a pretty rundown area of da ‘pool, a buddy of mine says that all going well (when the bord do decide to make up their mind) that the project will get moving immediately. think the developers are anxious just to get this baby off the ground. and maybe the grand parade project will f-f-f-finally get buzzing! puhlease! i pass that site everyday in visual anticipation of seeing a william o’briens parked outside and bits of a green tower crane waiting to be assembled!!!!!!!!! hehe

      (oh and sorry bout the gratuitous violence portrayed above in me first paragraph – i grew up watching tom & jerry, it’s all i know – now if you’ll excuse me, i’m off to sellotape a frying pan to my pet mouse’s paw and a baseball bat to my pet cat’s paw…and watch the comedy ensue!) :p

    • #757814
      Pug
      Participant

      any more news on the decision due on the apartments for tramore road at the former Keatings Bakery?

    • #757815
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜Ž @Pug wrote:

      any more news on the decision due on the apartments for tramore road at the former Keatings Bakery?

      John Keating’s plans for the former Keating’s Bakery along the Tramore Road, which were due a decision yesterday (17th August 2005) have now been pushed back to mid-December decision date. The proposals for the project include the construction of 40 apartments over a 60-space basement car-park. The scheme is designed by Colum Murphy & Company and is proposed to be arranged over 4 individual blocks.



      ๐Ÿ™ Frinailla, who were due a decision yesterday (August 17th 2005) from ABP regarding their Ladyswell (or City Square as I believe it will be called) development along the Watercourse Road – will now have to wait a little longer for news to be made of their plans. The Bord have pushed the due date on the project back until October.



      ๐Ÿ˜Ž Also, Niall & Sheila Doris (of the Beverly Smyth Group) will have to reapply to CCC with their application for 104 residential units and a 30,000sq ft business/technology centre at their Nat Ross premises along the Monahan Road in the South Docklands. The SDA O’Flynn design (J. Horgan & team) will arrange the development over 5 linked buildings ranging from 4 to 10 storeys (1 6-storey, 1 10-storey, 1 8-storey and 2 4-storey blocks) – over basement car-parking. Also included in the application will be plans for a creche and 5 2-storey terraced houses. The original application was proved ‘invalid’ and a new application will be lodged soon – with a rescheduled due date.



      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Finally, Dixons are believed to be taking up residency at a 2,000sq ft store in Ballincollig Town Centre, OFC have finalised a deal on the electrical goods retailler’s first Cork store – however, sister-stores Currys & PC World will be locating to Phase 2 of Mahon Point’s Retail Park.

    • #757816
      lexington
      Participant

      In my opinion, one of the most significant and impressive developments to hit Cork has been The Shipton Group’s Blackpool Retail & Commercial Park. Since the Love-family controlled group acquired the 11-acre Polefield (which was once nothing much more than a mix of marsh and wasteland) in Blackpool – this northern suburb has been dramatically altered, and thanks may be largely attributed to The Shipton Group.

      In 1997, the group’s subsidary Blackpool Developments applied to develop a 10,993sq m on a triangular site to the south of the Polefield, bordered by Dublin Street and the routeway of what was then the proposed link-road (which ultimately became the Blackpool By-Pass). Kelly Barry O’Brien Whelan (KOBW) were the architects and the project was greenlit by CCC on March 4th 1998 – it would be one of the most important strategic decisions the then Corporation would make in many years. After a brief scare of an appeal threat (which was later withdrawn), construction was rapid on the shopping centre, completing ahead of schedule. The Shipton Group were careful in choosing their tenants – they provided a healthy mix of local services/need provisions while maintaining a quality backbone. Dunnes Stores anchored the 65,000sq ft main tenant unit, with other strong names like Peter Mark, O’Briens, The Jean Scene, Golden Discs and Adams all included in the blend. The S.C. was a regenerative catalyst to a historic area that had been subjected to years of neglect and economic troubles. Aided by the newly opened By-Pass, the ‘Old Centre’ of Blackpool was freed of it’s horrific traffic congestion and allowed for more pedestrian friendly environments to be developed. It also encouraged a rejuvenation of the historic core area, much due at first to CCC, but later by lines of private developers and brought back in a stronger presence of residential tenants to newly refurbished or constructed schemes. Much was made of the ‘Living over the Shop’ style arrangements – allowing for local stores, butchers, hairdressers etc retain an active presence in the historic core – whilst allowing for bulkier service elements and traffic flows divert to the S.C. – which was now a powerful service and employment driver in the area.

      The success of the shopping centre was something of a calculated coup for The Shipton Group and encouraged their progression on a new รขโ€šยฌ100m scheme which took the shape of the Blackpool Retail & Commercial Park – work began in late 2003. The multiphased development has continued to strengthen the economic, social and leisure conditions of the region – and in little doubt, the entire project (including S.C.) have been encouragement for the host of other schemes that have materialised, and continue to materalise in this once jaded suburb. Joe Carey & Frank Sheahan’s large-scale apartment development, Blackpool Bowl & Leisure’s new facility, Sidney McInheney’s new plans – to name but a few ~ all this positive investment led Cork City Manager Joe Gavin to state that within 10 years, he predicts that Blackpool will be one of Cork’s most sought after addresses!

      Blackpool Park has attracted strong quality tenants such as Argos, Atlantic Homecare, Maplin, Reid’s Furniture, Land of Leather, Lifestyle Sports, Costa Coffee and so on – it is widely compared, and favoured to the similar scheme at Mahon Point. Why is this? Perhaps because what The Shipton Group have done is created a new community, perhaps, a new town centre of sorts with a healthy balance and quality design – there is leisure (Reel Multiplex, new Public Park etc), well planned accessible car-parking and link routeways, residential elements (under construction), offices (more under construction) and the obvious retail – all within a tight, closely knit area so that there is a healthy interaction between all aspects of life. A recent visit to the Park confirmed this to me, the place was a hive of activity – and not simply beneath the 2 dizzying tower cranes working on Phase 2 – of consumers, diners, cinema-goers and so on. Discussions with some of the tenants have confirmed good trading.

      The Shipton Group continue to contribute to the Blackpool community – recently, they donated รขโ€šยฌ250,000 to Cork2005, under condition that over half would be focused on cultural uses within the Blackpool community – such as the Fado Fado exhibition currently running at the Blackpool S.C. Commercial Building.


      Phase 2 of Blackpool Retail & Commercial Park – under construction, as visible from Blackpool By-Pass (city bound).

      Talk that The Shipton Group are bidding for the new Revenue Commissioners offices are true, however, I believe (in my personal opinion) perhaps the RC would be better located at somewhere such as Paul Kenny’s St. Patrick’s Quay plan. The Group have been successful thus far in attracting tenants for their office schemes – recently a large number of high-profile tenants, among them DL Safety and KOBW announced their intentions to relocate to the Park. I understand it is the intention of the Group to seek to fill their office space on-going irrespective of the RC designation – and with such a strong product on offer, I believe they will be better served and highly successful in this route – and deservedly so. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757817
      lawyer
      Participant

      Compliments to Lexington on his excellent ‘review’ of Blackpool Shopping Centre and Retail Park. It does leave Mahon Point way behind.
      To my mind, one of the greatest features of the area, is that the old part of Blackpool, Thomas Davis Street, Great William O’Brien Street and such, have still been able to retain their character whileall around them, things have changed beyond belief.

    • #757818
      A-ha
      Participant

      Yes, very impressed by all the information on Blackpool lex. Dixons coming to Cork, I thought as much when I heard PC World was opening. I would have expected Dixons to look for a city centre location though, but opening in Ballincollig might balance things out. PC World and Currys in Mahon, Maplin and Soundstore in Blackpool, Harvey Norman at the former Woodies and now Dixons in Ballincollig. What a perfect layout! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757819
      lexington
      Participant

      Just on the little add-on mentioned in my last post about Paul Kenny’s St. Patrick’s Quay project – should he be successful in attaining the enviable tenancy of the Revenue Commissioners next month (September 24th 2005 – as far as I know, feel free to correct) – as part of the deal, Mr. Kenny will also attain the Government Buildings premises on Sullivans Quay ( a 3/4 acre site). This is a highly desirable site in many respects (although some foundational issues need first to be addressed), especially for Mr. Kenny considering the proximity of his Citi-Car Park site at 50 Grand Parade across the River Lee’s South Channel. Scope exists here for a substantial development – which could ring ‘bonanza’ across the board for the Kenny Group. Mr. Kenny who previously applied for a development of apartments, offices, hotel and multi-storey car-park on the 50 Grand Parade site (among other intentions) was granted permission following appeal for his 2000 application, but subsequently withdrew 2003 plans for a student element on the premises – PRC Architects had been attached to the design. Revisions had been assessed on the site – and not so long ago either. Mr. Kenny had hinted the site would be nice for a large city centre hotel – I agree that it would – however with the Clarion, Jurys, Parnell Place, Crosses Green, new Radisson, Hilton Hotel @ MP, extended Kingsley Hotel all present/under development or to be developed – plus with hotels greenlit for the Heiton Buckley site bracing the Ballincollog By-Pass and AbsoluteHotel.com for the Airport Road, a calculated approach will need to be adopted should this route be taken. However it may indeed work very well as part of a larger mixed use project – and what are the possibilities of a link up with the Sullivans Quay premises? The Government Buildings site offers the possibility of a high-density landmark building/complex (reaching up to 9-storeys – city centre ceiling height). Retail, leisure and residential all present options here – however any development to be undertaken on this site will have MAJOR pressure on it to create a high quality design given the disdain that seems embedded toward the existing structure. Big imagination will be needed – I would stress thinking outside the normal boxes. Here exists the opportunity for a development that would bring Cork it’s own Metreon (such as that in SF) style development.



      @lawyer wrote:

      Compliments to Lexington on his excellent ‘review’ of Blackpool Shopping Centre and Retail Park. It does leave Mahon Point way behind.
      To my mind, one of the greatest features of the area, is that the old part of Blackpool, Thomas Davis Street, Great William O’Brien Street and such, have still been able to retain their character whileall around them, things have changed beyond belief.

      @A-ha wrote:

      Yes, very impressed by all the information on Blackpool lex. Dixons coming to Cork, I thought as much when I heard PC World was opening. I would have expected Dixons to look for a city centre location though, but opening in Ballincollig might balance things out. PC World and Currys in Mahon, Maplin and Soundstore in Blackpool, Harvey Norman at the former Woodies and now Dixons in Ballincollig. What a perfect layout!

      Thank you both. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    • #757820
      ewankennedy
      Participant

      C’mon lads! Cant we get this thread the 5 stars it deserves?? give it yer vote! hehe

      I do hope St. patricks qy gets the Revenue commissioners. It makes sense location wise and would be a great addition to the city centre.

      On Blackpool I agree, i live nearby and its a great asset to the area. Far better than Mahon point.

    • #757821
      A-ha
      Participant

      I have voted, it doesn’t make a difference, I think someone like PaulClerkin must do it….. And some of ye should give a post now and then in the Most beautiful building in Cork forum. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #757822
      Anonymous
      Participant

      i voted too. my first time to vote actually since i joined in oct 2004. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #757823
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      I’d agree with Lexington as regards Blackpool SC/RP. It’s far supperior than Mahon Point but just doesn’t get the hype.
      One of the big problems facing the area now is the lack of a decent public transport system. The number three is the lifeline for most public transport users- the number 5 timetable was britally butchered a few years ago. Even now, with the re-generation of Watercourse road, number 3 is severely diverted- albeit temporarily.
      Of course the area has been promised the return of the train station at KIlbarry, however without onward links from Kent Station to other areas of the city, this will be next to useless for residents.

      —The ABP decision on Frinailla’s Lady’s Well is now due on the 13th of October.–

    • #757824
      Radioactiveman
      Participant

      O’Callaghan properties have indicated that the space used as a temporary Gallery in their new Lavitts Quay development (21 Lavitts Quay) may become a permanent fixture after Cork 2005 ends.
      The exhibition space is currently playing host to Sebastiรƒยฃo Salgado and Simon Norfolk exhibitions. They gallery is a huge success and has been praised for its location and the bright, simple space it makes available to artists.


      Keeping with things cultural, a temporary Scaffolding has been erected in the River at the North Mall to facilitate the start of THE LEE SWIM which takes place this Saturday at 4 pm.



      Blackpool Developments have applied for permission to alter a previously granted scheme (TP: 05/29320) which was to demolish a period house at 45/46 Dublin Street in order to construct a childcare centre on the ground floor and an apartment at the first floor.
      The proposed changes seek to allow the option of the use of the new building for a creche at both the ground and first floor and importantly, access from Blackpool Shopping Centre (which is immediately to the rear of the house. The creche would serve a total of 50 children aged 0 to 6 years and would have opening hours of 8am to 7pm. The total gross floor area of the proposed development is 279m.sq

      As I mentioned above, I believe Blackpool Shopping Centre /Retail Park has been largely beneficial for the Blackpool area as a whole. One of the main reasons for this is that the developers made use of barrren wasteland which was made accessible by the Blackpool bypass. This development is totally different as it seeks to ‘eat in’ to the historic streetscape in the area. The house to be demolished is a fine example of period housing in the area and permission should never have been granted for its demolition.


    • #757825
      lexington
      Participant

      :confused: John Sisk & Sons Ltd, who had been in planning for a 6-storey, 93-bedroom hotel on their lands along the Kinsale/Airport Road at Ballycurreen have withdrawn their application. A decision had been scheduled for August 18th 2005, but was instead withdrawn from the planning process after months with Cork County Council. Operator AbsoluteHotel.com had been gearing up to operate the business focused hotel within close proximity to both the city centre and Cork Airport. It remains to be seen whether a fresh application will be sought – though no word seems to be of it, at least yet.

      See Post #298 for further details of the project.

    • #757826
      securityman
      Participant

      Great review on Blackpool Lexington, I think they have done a fantastic job in creating somewhere that has something for everyone aswell as creating plenty of jobs also. As I live five minutes away I would have loved it when I was younger with so many things to do now down there and I was always envious of douglas cos they had everything now its the other way around and Douglas is envious of Blackpool. I am also looking forward to Ballincollig and Mallow because they will create new centres for people to socialise and shop in. Does anybody know of any tenants going into mallow as I’m moving nearby in the new year I know that Pizza Hut and Costa Coffee are going in there and I think Tesco are the main tenants plus I heard that Penneys are looking for a spot but who else is going into John Flemings Market Square.

    • #757827
      A-ha
      Participant

      @Radioactiveman wrote:

      I’d agree with Lexington as regards Blackpool SC/RP. It’s far supperior than Mahon Point but just doesn’t get the hype.
      One of the big problems facing the area now is the lack of a decent public transport system. The number three is the lifeline for most public transport users- the number 5 timetable was britally butchered a few years ago. Even now, with the re-generation of Watercourse road, number 3 is severely diverted- albeit temporarily.
      Of course the area has been promised the return of the train station at KIlbarry, however without onward links from Kent Station to other areas of the city, this will be next to useless for residents.

      Don’t even get me started on public transport in this city again. It get’s me into all sorts of trouble. Although my ingenious plan of a tolleybus using the subway map courtesy of the Peoples Republic of Cork was brilliant. Have a look back in page 7 of this forum. TolleyBuses are the way to the future! :rolleyes:

    • #757828
      A-ha
      Participant

      Also, Penneys would be good in Mallow. It’s a good shopping town as it is, but the Dunnes is tiny (like people cant drive to the next Dunnes in half and hour anyway). securityman, forgive my ignorance, but I didn’t know there was a Pizza Hut opening in Mallow. I don’t recall ever seeing a McDonalds there, and I would have thought they would have got first dibs.

    • #757829
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ As one Bowen Construction tower crane descends over SHUL’s Tellenganna Lodge 60,000sq ft office development in Blackrock (near the south docklands), designed by Wilson Architecture – another is set to be erected, the first over OCP’s Lanacaster Quay (Jurys) redevelopment. Pieces are being compiled around the new 182-bedroom 6-storey Jurys Hotel site – readying to be lifted into the skyline soon.



      ๐Ÿ˜ฎ I can now confirm, the earlier speculation, that the Muskerry Service Station (Esso) along the Western Road, and just across the river from the Jurys redevelopment was indeed sold for a price tag in excess of รขโ€šยฌ8m. The .6 acre site will continue operating as a service station until December 2005 (originally it was scheduled to close and be dismantled in October) – an application is currently being designed on the site.



      ๐Ÿ™‚ Niall Doris has re-applied to CCC with the รขโ€šยฌ50m Nat Ross redevelopment plan including 104 residential units in 5 linked blocks ranging between 4 and 10-storeys, with business centre of over 3500sq m, creche and basement car-parking. A decision is now due for October 13th 2005. SDA O’Flynn are the architects.


    • #757830
      securityman
      Participant

      @A-ha wrote:

      Also, Penneys would be good in Mallow. It’s a good shopping town as it is, but the Dunnes is tiny (like people cant drive to the next Dunnes in half and hour anyway). securityman, forgive my ignorance, but I didn’t know there was a Pizza Hut opening in Mallow. I don’t recall ever seeing a McDonalds there, and I would have thought they would have got first dibs.

      There is a McDonalds there already across the way from that tiny dunnes you are on about plus they have O’Briens. I read a while back that Pizza Hut and Costa Coffee were going in there because MBCC foods the scottish company who own the rights to these outlets are basing themselves in Little Island and seem to like Cork considering that the first two Costa Coffees in this country are in Cork so fair play to them for not choosing Dublin first for a change.

    • #757831
      A-ha
      Participant

      hmm, I never noticed the McDonalds there, although I went into the O’Briens. I always rate towns on what shops and restaurants they have in them. Thats why I’m not much of a fan of Waterford. Only one shopping centre in the city centre and no Marks and Spencers. Like I shop there (yeah right). But you know what I mean. It also must rely on McDonalds as it’s only source of fast food and I’d die without a Virgin Megastore or an FCUK shop….. die! But i have to say, Waterford did beat Cork to the punch in having a PC World first along with Limerick. I’m pleased aswell about Costa Coffee’s decision to open in Cork first. It’s a nice change rather then Dublin.

      I hit 100 posts…. Now I’m all grown up!

    • #757832
      lexington
      Participant

      For those of you anxious to take a look at the finished product – below, please find a link to the Scott Tallon Walker website, detailling the new Howard Holdings WebWorks on Albert Quay – to the rear of Albert House. The project is currently ripping through construction with John Paul Construction on site – and will front the quayside with OFC’s impressive Wilson Architecture designed Eglinton Street project to the rear – which peaks with a stylish 17-storey, 70m tower in the south-western corner of the 3-acre former An Post site.

      WebWorks

      Howard Holdings are developing the WebWorks project on lands ‘leased’ from CCC – the office units will be subsequently leased back out to appropriate start-up IT and Business enterprises appointed by Enterprise Ireland.

    • #757833
      lexington
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ™‚ Well with Frinailla’s Ladyswell (City Square) project now having seen it’s ABP decision due date pushed back until October 13th 2005 (as best I know) – the suburb of Blackpool and the developers themselves will have to spend another few weeks on their seat edges.

      Frinailla originally applied for development on the Watercourse Road site back in 2003 – then, the proposal peaked at 9-storeys over basement parking with approx. 258 residential units, numerous commercial units (= 3379m sq), a Montessori School, resident gym, roof gardens etc. On Thursday 18th December 2003, the 3 seperate applications that comprised the overall project were all refused by CCC, even following revised submissions which involved residential unit and height reductions – subsequently an appeal to ABP was also refused. Scale, height, character, visual obtrusiveness and so on, were all among the reasons cited for refusal.

      On the 19th November 2004, Frinailla reapplied with 2 applications for their Watercourse Road/Ladyswell sites. This time, the proposal centred about a 5-storey (peak) linked development over basement car-parking and community/commercial units. 153 residencies were proposed in this new scheme. Although the planner’s report recommended a further refusal, this decision was overturned – even though the planner, under instruction to outline conditions, imposed a further reduction in height and subsequent units. The conditions were appealed, and so was the project on a 3rd party basis, a move backed by a number of individuals including public representative Kathleen Lynch.

      In my own opinion, the project represents an important step in Blackpool’s revitalisation – this area of Blackpool, along the Watercourse Road is in dire need of a revamp and is plagued by ill-maintained, derelict buildings. The Frinailla proposal seeks to breathe new life into the area with a strong community focus. Should the appeal be favoured, it is my understanding the developers intend to begin construction work on City Square almost immediately. Fingers crossed on the outcome – and I’ll do my best to keep you updated on any further developments regarding this project. Below find some images of the scheme – more available on request (if I can).

      (Forgive me if I’ve left out any details but trying to explain each and every twist and turn would take forever and a very very long post!) ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #757834
      pier39
      Participant

      hmmmmuh very inktresting!

      i’ve no doubt the ladyswell plan will add to the place. i always tawt were it not for the nice like canopy additions and variations in colouring and finishes the design could have been quite boring and boxy, however never saw the recreational space graphics before and i have to say it looks very well, like the little water feature. what will be a telling sign will be if frinailla actually show real ingenuity and cover the repaving of the roadway and pathways a la the 1st 2 pics above. i think it will help their scheme on a whole, make the corporation smile and shut the mouths of a few critics in the area while their at it. look forward to seeing if the presentation pics match the flesh in that sense. the watercourse road could do with a little imagination and input, hope frinailla seize the opportunity. still, good job lads.

      anyone got pics of how that stretch of road is now? would be a really interesting comprative and highlight just how much the ladyswell blocks would add.

    • #757835
      altuistic
      Participant

      The Blackpool project seems suitable for the area. I am originally from near Assumption Road and I have fond memories of the place. It has been depressing to see the decay that has been onset along the Watercourse rd over the years. The whole suburb seems to have changed and when i return to visit I often fail to recognise much of it. I am glad however that the old centre of Blackpool has been carefull timecapusled, but not in a negative sense. Its a credit to those involved in the suburbs regeneration have allowed the place develop on such a large scale but without injuring or intruding on the old areas. I also love what theyve done on the old Blackpool flats, I think RESPONSE! were behind this with the corporation and murnane and O’Shea builders. The flats have been wonderfuully redeveloped for new elderly housing and social uses. Well done to all involved!

      Though i like the Blackpool plans, I hope the developers who i understand will be seeking to develop Dennehys Cross will offer the area a very considerate approach. The housing in the area must be respected. I have no problem with a redevelopment of the sites involved, frankly i think the existing warehousing and worksheds and showrooms are an eyesore but i would ask the developers to offer a decent fitting design. I dont oppose their 7 floors plan near Top car, the height is clearly a product of trends in the area and that is fine along this routeway but anything over 4 or 5 floors fronting Dennehys cross in my opinion would represent a gross overdevelopment. I await the plans anxiously,.

    • #757836
      pier39
      Participant

      agreed the redeveloped flats are a job well done. its hard to think that the were once modelled on a stack of shoe boxes! ๐Ÿ™‚ seriously word is the original blackpool flats were designed by a member of the store-room staff at a shoe shop. hehe. the new facility is a real excellent redevelopment. anyone got pics?

    • #757837
      lexington
      Participant

      Thanks to phil for informing me of this very interesting article on Cork2005, but more specifically, The Lewis Glucksman Gallery at UCC.

      Guardian Article: Lewis Glucksman Gallery

    • #757838