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    Its the Orbital Route

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    @Griff wrote:

    I like that Coonagh Cross office proposal – it hides the ugly Tesco SC behind it – it also reminds me a little of the office building at the front of the Raheen ind est – still mostly unoccupied after how many years ?

    Have to disagree Griff. I think its very poor

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    @NevilleNeville wrote:

    The big issue with the Boat Club decision is the fact that the majority vote made by councillors, with no formal training in architectural conservation, to remove a building from the list of protected structures, demeans the process of deeming builidngs worthy of being recorded as protected structures in the first place. Lets not forget that the building was included in the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage for Limerick City less than two years ago. If it was deemed significant enough to be listed at that point this decision seems all the more ridiculous. I could accept if there was a forum or committee decision by people with a track record in conservation but councillors making these decisions is a mockery of the legislation that was introduced to protect our heritage in the first place.

    The fact as to buildings being commercial or not is not really the issue but that the other builidngs referred to i.e. Thomond Park and the Concert Hall are public buildings whereas the proposal for this site is primarily offices with the exception of the new boat club. A new public building might make the decision easier to swallow but not another office block.

    Finally I wouldn’t hold out too much hope for a quality contemporary builidng both due to the submission to the council thus far and also looking at the developer’s previous track record for producing what might be solid commercial architecture but hardly inspiring artworks. The local authority had the option of insisting on an architectural competition for the site to replace the heritage it deemed fit to be removed but rejected it. Seems like Skibereen has more progressive thinking than Limerick these days!

    Well Mr.Neville , I checked the scheme out and there is in fairness 1 room at the Bridge Level that has been named as Civic Use. It would probably fit about 40-50 people at a squeeze! As for the Museum etc…..?????http://www.limerick.ie/eplan/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=08163&LASiteID=0

    Im also very amused that the LCC website states that ‘PLANNER : NONE’ made the decision.Sources tell me that Ms.Campbell under Mr.Reeves guidance made this decision ….also .I will personally pay for any of the objectors appeal costs….you can call me on 061-496347

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    I dont think that many names will fit on a Manilla envelope !:)

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    I am so so upset by all this! Just a week ago 5-6 councillors were openly against the ( Boat Club ) scheme ….why the sudden change of mind??? Ladies and Gentlemen , This city is in big trouble and by electing these apes we are all responsible 🙁

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    On a separate matter…are political donations still allowed ? Then again , I guess a good accountant can find ways of hiding them for benefactors 😉

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    @CologneMike wrote:

    Dreamstate, very similar developers built Sarsfield (Wellesley) Bridge and the floating dock and they did so for purely commercial reasons. I would even say we lost a lot more heritage because of poverty than due to commercial activity. More importantly we lost a lot of our population since 1856 due economic decline as well!

    It really surprises me that Limerick City Council can take the whole Opera block out of the architectural conservation area and get away with it .Now they are removing a building thats on the National Heritage Inventory of Protected structures while everyone sits back and says ‘ its ok because the developments are gonna create employment’……Why not just build on Pery Square altogether? Im sure we could easily get a 40 storey building on one of those derelict old Georgian city blocks that are falling down!!!!!! Interesting also that the only piece of Green area in the background of Mr.Dalys office PR photograph in Riverpoint is the boat club site…I guess we should be thankful that the Hunt Museum green area wasnt clearly visible from his window

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    @colognemike wrote:

    limerick Boat Club Plans Thrown A Lifeline By Councillors (limerick Leader) 27 January 2009

    By Anne Sheridan

    City Councillors Have Made A Near Unanimous Decision To Remove limerick Boat Club, Which Dates Back To 1870, From The list Of Protected Structures At City Hall Last Night, Paving The Way For The Development To Proceed.

    Planners At Limerick City Council Were Also Urging Councillors To Treat The Multi-million Plans To Rehouse The Club Favourably.

    “i Recommend That The City Council Approve That A Decision To Grant Permission Be Made At The Limerick Boat Club Site At Wellesley Pier,” Stated John Field, Director Of Service, In A Letter To Councillors Last Week.

    In Council Correspondence, Mr Field Also Recommended That The City Council Vote In Favour Of Deleting The Site From The Record Of Protected Structures.

    The Vote To Remove The Building Was Passed By 13 Votes To Two, With Mayor Of Limerick John Gilligan And Fellow Independent Cllr Kathleen Leddin Opposing The Motion.

    Independent Cllr Pat Kennedy Initially Called For Both Votes To Be Adjourned For One Month To Allow For A Presentation To City Hall From The Joint Developers, The Boat Club And Fordmount Developments.

    However, Following A Brief Recess Councillors Decided To Take Just One Motion And Deliberate On Another Aspect To The Plans This friday, January 30.

    The €20m Plans For The Site Will Be Given A Final Push This Friday Morning, When Developer Michael Daly Will Discuss The Development. The Plans Are To Include A New State-of-the-art Home For Limerick Boat Club, Offices, A Cafe/bar And Restaurant On The Upper Level Overlooking The River.

    Three Quarters Of The 17 City Councillors Will Then Have To Vote In Favour Of A Material Contravention To The City Development Plan To Allow Commercial Uses On A Land Zoned Open Space.

    Labour Cllr Joe Leddin, A Member Of Limerick Boat Club, Said “if It Wasn’t Delisted It (the Development] Would Have Been Dead In The Water.” Cllr Leddin Said He Is Optimistic About The Outcome Of Friday’s Meeting, And Believes It Will Be A Chance For Councillors To Address Contentious Issues, Such As The Scale And Design Of The “iconic” Glass And Steel Building.

    Mr Daly Told This Newspaper: “we Would Have To Regard The Meeting As Very Encouraging. It Was A Very Positive Step And We Are Encouraged By It.”

    Nineteen Submissions Were Received By City Hall Regarding The Development, Including Several Objections To The Plans. A Further Seven Submissions Were Received Outside The Planning Time-frame And Could Not Be Considered.

    fears Over Two Limerick City Hotels (limerick Leader)

    Trading Difficulties For Michael Daly’s (fordmount) Castletroy Park Hotel / Marriott Hotel

    More Proof That Our City Is Governed By A Crowd Of Gob****es!!!!! And That Money Is More Important Than Our Heritage

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    on a separate but large issue ….I think we should all take account of this quotation from Thomas Fisher ‘ Tools for Survival’

    ‘Adam Smith described…..the paradox of value as :

    ‘ The things which have the
    greatest value in use have frequently little or no value in exchange; and, on
    the contrary, those which have the greatest value in exchange have frequently
    little or no value in use. Nothing is more useful than water, but it will purchase
    scarce anything; scarce anything can be had in exchange for it. A diamond,
    on the contrary, has scarce any value in use, but a very great quantity of other
    goods may frequently be had in exchange for it ’

    I would ask the Planners in Limerick City Council …Mr.Tobin , Mr.Reeves , Mrs.Campbell to stop the outward flood of our ‘city’s water’ in seek of ‘diamonds’

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    The Belltable exist on the Ground and Lower Ground only so I dont balme them for the Credit Unions faux pas….

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    @shanekeane wrote:

    I don’t deny that other buildings in Limerick are completely ugly too, but Arthur’s Quay is the worst because of its central position which, in my view, completely cheapened the feel of the whole city centre. If we’re talking about the aesthetic qualities of buildings without reference to their context, then everything built in the 20th in the city centre is so awful, that it seems like a waste of time comparing their awfulness. In any case, since my original point was about the mismanagement by the city council, I think the wealth of examples merely supports that point.

    I think its more the 21st Century and late half of 20th Century buildings that you mean really?
    Arthurs Quay Shopping Centre was applauded by the populus when it was built .Arthurs Quay Park won numerous awards and now the council want to build on it ( thanks to Mr.Tiernan)…….The worst 3 recent buildings in Limerick in my opinion are ( no particular order ) Cornmarket development (i.e.- Smyths , the Car Park , whole block etc..) Riverpoint and The Clarion ….but there are many others that i could name……………………………….:o

    Also , just because Estate agents tell the papers to tell us that buildings are good doesn’t mean they are……’Pen and paper refuse nothing’ i guess as the quote says

    Whats the story with the boat club at Sarsfield Bridge? I hear its due for ‘DE-LISTING’ even though its in the recently published National Inventory of Architectural Heritage booklet

    Can anyone shed some light???

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    @Tuborg wrote:

    Well my problem with them was the filthy mess they left in their wake, looks like some of them had overindulged in the aul buckfast!:rolleyes: You wouldnt be so quick to defend them if you had to go clean it up!:eek:

    Well Taits Clock on Baker Place was their preferred haunt until recently, would you not classify that as a public space? Albeit a small one!

    Actually come to think of it, the Limerick Savings Bank was indeed enclosed by railings in times past!

    I take your point , but Arthurs Quay park was also once enclosed by railings.
    Also , the skateboarders previously practicing at Tait now have somewhere to go ( Steamboat Quay Skate Park).
    Are you sure that the ‘Goths’ are the ones who made the mess?;)

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    @Tuborg wrote:

    Sarsfield Credit Union have got the go-ahead to “renovate and refurbish” the former Limerick Savings Bank (The Stone Jug) on Glentworth Street. The building has been vacant for the past 18 months since Permanent TSB sold up and moved the branch out to Dooradoyle. Sarsfield Credit Union will be moving from their current location next to the Belltable on O Connell Street.

    I walked past the building for the first time in a good while recently and couldn’t help but notice how poorly the site has been maintained. Its strewn with rubbish, weeds and other vegetation are growing all over the place and there’s a fair amount of graffiti smeared across the facade! The steps in front also seem to have become the new hangout for the local Goth freak show!:rolleyes:

    Its pretty embarrassing to see one of the city’s most interesting and unique buildings in such a state. Indeed the area immediately surrounding the Stone Jug is an absolute joke, the pavement is in bits and yet another of the ESB’s elegant corner poles, heavily laden with overhead wires totally detracts from the character of the building!:mad:

    I really cant understand why they didn’t complete the public realm improvements down to the Catherine Street junction as part of the Baker Place project, its only about 30 yards for God’s sake!

    In fairness , I have less issue with the ESB pole than I do with the development adjoining it that faces onto Baker Place and the Health Board additions including the Mansard roof and associated works …..also , whats wrong with the ‘Goth freak show ‘ ? Surely our inability to create decent public open space in this city is demonstrated by their presence. Would you prefer if the City Council put a railing around it ?

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    @Tuborg wrote:

    Just a few updates!

    The Limerick Gaelic Grounds Development Committee have re-applied to install floodlighting at the Ennis Road stadium. Earlier this year the City Council shot down the original application over local residents fears of light spillage and the high level of illumination required, especially for hurling!

    Plans have also been lodged for a mixed use development on the site of the former Brannigans pub.

    McInerney homes have further plans for their existing residential development off the South Circular Road.

    The Hurlers Co-ownership have submitted revised plans for the old Esso station on the Dublin Road, an application for a larger development was turned down earlier in the year.

    Has anyone looked at the Esso / Hurlers application online? If so , can you make sense of the drawings? The Elevations seem difficult to understand

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    Trinity Rooms are causing all the hassle because they didnt get the big buy out that other businesses did I guess……

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    Castle Lane ….Now theres a blast from the past !

    Murray O’Laoire designed that . . .( Not that Hugh would admit to it I’m sure )

    I cant understand why architects change their opinion so quickly on things . . For example , Murry & O’Leary
    put the contemporary structure in front of Johns Castle and then turn around and build Castle Lane …..one must question the sides of the fences these guys sit on

    Similarly Mr.Murray designed Arthurs Quay Park in , i think 1993 and recieved many awards for it …..

    Now Mr.Tiernan is paying him fees and is looking to build over it …….

    As Bill Hicks wouldn’t say if he was still around ‘ Any development is a good dollar ‘ :rolleyes:

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    Well , As far as I’m aware the Opera centre doesn’t propose to have any doors in from Patrick / Rutland Street so they might as well stay boarded up. Entry to units from the ‘Mall’ only will completely sterilise the streetscape….just like Stephens Green SC in Dublin did to South King Street as previously stated :confused:

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    The City Council Planners and Jim Henson’s characters have a lot in common ….

    The Georgian Centre extends from Bank Place along Patrick & Rutland Street / Arthurs Quay onto O’Connell Street but LCC now say that it never really did !!!! They will only allow buildings of historic importance to be knocked to facilitate development .

    Is Tiger Lillies gone yet ? Quins is due for demolition next ,,, Patrick / Rutland is about to be castrated …..

    As I said before …. Limerick City Council view any development as good development.

    The Limerick planning section seems to be in awe of any developer who once played for Munster , Ireland and any developer who uses a Dublin architect . . . . But then again , the GOBSHITE Councillors seem to rule the roost

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    I think this is quite restrained in comparison to some of the developments currently going up on O’Connell Street & Barrington Street.Is this the same developer as the block onto Henry Street to the rear of the old County Council Offices?

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