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It still amazes me that Arthurs Quay Park ( which is more popular than ever since the railings came down ) is to be built upon without any public backlash. This forum seems to be resigned to the fact.
Buildings PREVIOUSLY within the Architectural Conservation Area to be demolished to make room for the Opera Centre …..
‘ Any development is good development ‘ seems to be Limerick City Councils motto
@justnotbothered wrote:
Which, ultimately, would be good news for the city. Have never seen such a ill-fitting design.
Councillors .mmmmmh . . . . I’m sure that they’ll do the right thing architecturally . .
Talking of which , Isn’t Robert Butler’s brother Richard a Councillor with Limerick County Council ? and didnt Limerick County Council lease / Buy a building by the Entrance to GARRYOWEN RUGBY CLUB recently from them ? .. SORRY SORRY …. From Robert Butler properties ?
I was talking to someone recently about the Opera centre and they made a very valid point . . . Why dont the developers allow ‘starter’ businesses into the vacated and boarded up units at very low fixed leases while the scheme is stuck in planning ? Could make financial , socio-economical and political sense
@Tuborg wrote:
Opera Centre plan ‘unlawful and invalid’
By Anne Sheridan
THE managing director of Trinity Rooms nightclub has described the plans for the revised Opera Centre as “unlawful and invalid”.
The developers have proposed to demolish modern extensions to The Granary, which they are also seeking to incorporate into their plansPatrick Barry, managing director of Trinity Rooms, has submitted an observation to Limerick City Council’s planning department, where he stated that he is “very disappointed” that no representative of either Regeneration Developments or the other associated companies officially approached or wrote to Redroom Ltd, the company that runs the nightclub.
Mr Barry stated that the developers did not seek or obtain the consent of Redroom Ltd or its subsidiaries prior to lodging the revised planning application.
He concludes his application by stating that the “proposed redevelopment in its current configuration will put the day to day running of this business, cause undue hardship to our 95 employees, suppliers and customers.”
“Accordingly, I therefore believe this planning application is unlawful and invalid insofar as it includes or purports to include any part of The Granary used and occupied by the Trinity Rooms.”
Trinity Rooms are also battling to take ownership of a small piece of land, which borders the nightclub. As the owner of the land is unknown, Limerick City Council imposed a compulsory purchase order (CPO) on the land this March, which is currently being decided upon by An Bord Pleanala.
This site has also been included in the revised plans for the Opera Centre. James Rael of Rael & Son Contracts Ltd, Michael Street, also lodged a submission in relation to the proposed €350 million retail development, which is said to become the biggest in the Mid-West should the plans be passed by City Hall on this second occasion.
I think that the so far un-included land owners see an opportunity for financial benefit by submission of objections / submissions . Unfortunately we ( the people of Limerick city) have no real say in these developments . This centre will be given permission because the people that we employ ( i.e. Councillors & Planners ) are of the belief that ANY development is good development. . . even though we pay their wages , they really have no interest in our viewpoint because … the developer euro is a good euro and the rates will be great !!!.
Unfortunately , Limerick City Council view the ‘Georgian Quarter’ as the area from Glentworth Street to South’s and up to Pery Square.
The Current Opera Proposal will render Rutland and Patrick Street sterile as the ‘Stephens Green Shopping Centre’ did to South King Street in Dublin
@dave123 wrote:
TBF.
The Marriot does look out of proportion to the surrounding buildings and especially the warehouse. But Henry street is still not completed yet. In a few years time it would be better to judge the overall layout of blending the old and new. IMO I think Henry street looks really modern and continental in feel. The mixing is whats making this street look fantastic. At least its not like the Dublin docklands with all buildings in monotoned five storey slabs beside each other.There is still 3/4 valuable slots of land/buildings to be redeveloped here too. So it will be interesting to see what come off the ground. Building heights range of 10 storeys to 3 storeys, so the picture taken of marriot and the warehouse does look a bit extreme from that angle, but from other angles its fine. the Warehouse height fits the corner nicely as with the other buildings down the street, while Henry street heights are much higher, land values and width allow this.
Have a look at the Marriott coming in over the New Bridge!
@Tuborg wrote:
This article appeared in one of the mid week editions of the Limerick Leader, it sure didn’t take long for the knives to come out for this one! Looks like they’ve been checking us out here on archiseek aswell!:D
Well Dan, are you going to seek a meeting with some of these councilors you refer to?
I think they should carry out some independent research before articles go to print. . . .:rolleyes:
I wouldnt necessarily say that Mr.Daly has ‘raised the bar’ architecturally with either Riverpoint or The Marriott !
Also , Have you checked out the website of the Boat Club Schemes architects ?
Looks like they did a nice house extension once . . .@CologneMike wrote:
Limerick Boat Club
That’s a big challenge to pull off.
The elegant “cut-stone” Sarsfield’s Bridge remains for me the central, dominant building and its add-ons i.e. Limerick Boat Club, Shannon Boat Club, War of Independence Memorial are only of secondary importance. Not to mention those superficial cosmetic hanging baskets and the draping necklace of white lights which in my opinion are both only used to dress up a poorly designed building. This bridge is most certainly not.
The two buildings of the Limerick Boat Club are both well past their shelf life date. New modern club facilities such as gym, indoor rowing basin, social-function room would give the club a major boost to enrol new rowing members. The Shannon River remains an under utilised natural resource in Limerick city.
Fair enough Michael, Sean but maybe you could upload larger images onto your web sites so that we can get a better, more detailed impression of your proposal.
IT SEEMS THAT MR.DALY REALLY HAS THE PLANNERS & POLITICIANS EARS. THE MARRIOTT HOTEL ON HENRY STREET IS CLEARLY A FULL STOREY HIGHER THAN SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AND IS THE ONLY CITY CENTRE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SCALE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT WAS GRANTED PERMISSION WITHOUT HAVING ANY CAR PARKING ON SITE!
@Tuborg wrote:
Former Central Cinema Bedford Row
Work is continuing at an impressive rate on the site of the former cinema on Bedford Row, the new facade is virtually complete with the cladding and glazing now in place. The facade of the old methodist chapel dating from the 1840s has been retained behind the new frontage, although its difficult to tell from the picture just how visible it will be. The new building will house retail space on the ground floor with offices overhead.
Image from tippryan at the Limerick Blogger
The facade they took away looked better than this!!!!!!!!!!
@Tuborg wrote:
Below is the current state of play on Thomas Street where a new 5 storey retail, office and apartment building is currently under construction at the junction with Catherine Street. The whole area is a bit of a nightmare at the moment with the streetscape works also underway, things could get even worse if An bord Pleanala give the go ahead for a redevelopment of O Riadas bar just across the street!:eek: A decision is due in the next few weeks!
Thomas Street Limerick Blogger
Attachment shows how the building should look when completed.
The lift shaft shows the height of the completed development. Can anyone tell me how Limerick City Council ( or Big R ) decide on building heights?
How does anyone know what height they can develop to within the city ? Sometimes Black and White is better than Grey……@Tuborg wrote:
Former County Council offices O Connell Street
The former county headquarters, consisting of 6 terraced georgian townhouses are currently undergoing a complete refurbishment. The plans are for more office space with the basement being converted for use as a restaurant. Im not quite sure what to make of the glass box on the roof though, the second such structure plonked on top of a georgian building in this area in the last year or so!
Photo from The Limerick Blogger
I’ve passed this development twice a day and havent noticed it apart from the gable facing onto Mallow Street.It seems to have retained the parapet level unlike Dan O’Gormans previous development.I think I saw something about this in the Leader recently. Who are the developers ?
P.S. – The new doorcases look overly ornate but relatively sympathetic
@CologneMike wrote:
Looks well, just hope this gem of a park does not get “overrun†as a short-cut between the railway station and Barrington Street? The junction of Parnell Street and Mallow Street where this new gate situated can be a hassle to crossover at times.
WOW, It looks like its been there for 100 years!!
@CologneMike wrote:
I agree dreamstate, an incoherent skyline could spoil the city especially along the waterfront. The image below is pretty much the present view as seen from the town hall. It’s right in the planners face and hope sincerely the future projects for the Arthur’s quay, ESB and Garda sites will harmonise the skyline! In my opinion the Riverpoint looks very well from it’s western side but it’s eastern side looks somewhat clumsy.
Looks like the damage already appears to have been done!
Limerick City heights and densities seem to be currently decided by one individual and based on the political power and monetary capabilities of individual personalities involved rather than a clear and transparent framework for the city .
In Aukland , each zoned area of land has a height restriction , density allowance and a pallette of materials proposed to be drawn upon. Similarly , development regulations state clearly allowable heights and ‘set backs’ from street edges for proposed buildings in Manhattan .
Clear policy in terms of scale , height and density are required urgently by Limerick City Council for the existing city area before they claim to be ‘under resourced ‘ and get sidetracked by the extended area ……..
@CologneMike wrote:
Work on new Adare hospital to begin soon (RTE)
Work is to begin in two months time on a new €100m private hospital on a site at Adare, Co Limerick.
The committee behind the venture said today that planning permission for the project had been granted and construction will begin in eight weeks.The new Adare hospital and clinic is scheduled to open in late 2009 and will employ 380 staff.
It will include 100 beds, 30 consultation offices, six operating theatres, as well as MRI and CT scanner services and a mammography suite.The group behind the venture includes Chairman Dr Ed Walsh, founding President of the University of Limerick, Tom Kane, owner of Adare Manor, Professor Paul Finucane who heads up the new Post Graduate Medical Degree programme at the University of Limerick, and six other medical experts.
The group behind the venture includes Chairman Dr Ed Walsh, founding President of the University of Limerick, Tom Kane, owner of Adare Manor, Professor Paul Finucane who heads up the new Post Graduate Medical Degree programme at the University of Limerick, and six other medical experts.[/QUOTE]
@CologneMike wrote:
Limerick Northside Southside Regeneration Agencies
The final Masterplans should be finalised by June 2008. These Masterplans will encompass the Moyross Housing Estates and Adjacent Lands on the Northside of the city and the O’Malley/Keyes, Carew/Kincora, Clarina/ Crecora Estates and Adjacent lands on the Southside of the City.
The Masterplans will effectively become frame work development plans and subject to approval of City and County Council be enshrined into the statutory development plans of Limerick City and County this bringing long term certainty for developers, landowners and planning authorities in the area involved.
I would love to know how the re-generation board members were selected . Can anyone advise us on this ?
In particular who selected the developers ? …. Was it the Elected Members ? I think that everyone should check it out and keep an eye on what the re-generation board members get back in time to come…….@Tuborg wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up! Like the majority of shopping centres it all looks rather uninspiring, however I’ll reserve final judgement until its properly completed! Clearly Limericks love affair with suburban shopping complexes shows no sign of ending. Apart from Coonagh cross, construction is well underway on the parkway valley centre and of course yet another major expansion of the crescent is in planning, the Castletroy sc now has new owners and there are talks of a major redevelopment there aswell.
That stretch of the Ennis road in the vicinity of Coonagh cross has seen a good deal of activity in recent years with the construction of the Jetland and the adjoining retail park. Now, just across the road, lidl have submitted an application for a new store on the site of the davin arms pub, whose loss will certainly be felt on match days at the gaelic grounds!:eek: Next door to the davin arms, there are plans for a mixed use development on the supemacs /o mara motors site.
ITS PROBABLY ANOTHER NON-ARCHITECT DESIGNED SCHEME BY THOSE LIDL PHILISTINES!!!!!!!!!!!
@Dan Sullivan wrote:
That would be me, the article has some text out of context but the gist of it is right.
I’ve nothing against well thought out proposals but the idea of a tram system when we don’t even have bus lanes was the final straw for me. And as for Hugh references to briefings, they’re closed occasions and appear designed primarily for developers not professionals. I’m an engineer and I’ve seen no notices about it via EI (IEI)
I hope to have some opportunity in the New Year to actually allow the people of the city participate more in the process.
Without getting political or taking sides ….Why not use the existing rail network as a start and expand on it as a way forward ?
We must also realise that true progress is about the good of the city rather than those proposing it ….
