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I think that the most lamentable thing here is that these great works of planning is that they aren’t done anymore. If you look at the map above you see that the area is well laid out in a web of roads which create some sense of there being a neighbourhood. One road leads to another and traffic is assimilated better. Nowadays though all you have are cul-de-sacs with 200 homes on them which all lead on to the same road. There could be 5 or 6 estates leading onto what was a country road 5 years ago, which leads to the same set of traffic lights.Theres no sense of area, just anonomous estates with roads that go from the exit/enterance to the end and back again. The large housing estates built by the government in cities around the country in the fifties and sixties were well designed in terms of layout though socially they were a disaster. Sometimes I wish that the government would make up the plans for new neighbourhoods themselves, with better integrated road networks, and then let the developers do the rest. But thats not going to happen.
On the subject of the careless alterations of houses such as these, have you seen some of the colours on houses
in knocknaheeny in Cork? Luminous orange ground to gutter. Yuk!@bunch wrote:
does anyone know the cost of the Pink Link bridge in Glanmire? – it was built to facilitate approx 4-5 houses – I have yet to see one person use that bridge – what a waste of funds – value for money! btw it looks terrible in my opinion – fussy and a bit twee for a motorway bridge.
Cost of the bridge: 2,000,000 euro approx
Cost of a tunnel: 300,000 euro approxAnd you wonder where all the money goes on motorways.
@bunch wrote:
anyone ever hear of the BKS proposal in 1967 (i think) for cork city centre – it was recommended that a four lane motorway would be built in cork, encircling the city centre with sliproad access to the various radial routes. this was to be a raised roadway and it is said that it would have involved the demolition of literally thousands of buildings – the council (the elected members) accepted this report and its recommendations but the City Manager (Joe McHugh I think) apparently refused and commissioned the LUTS Plan instead.
A lucky escape for Cork methinks. It just goes to show why we need strong civic minded City Managers when strategic decision making is left solely to councillors.
I think another element of that plan was to send a roadway down the lee on stilts. I can’t even imagine how awful that would look.
As a member of the dioses of cloyne I must say that most people are fairly tired of sending off parish funds to fund the restoration. The work that was done from 1992 until 2002/2003 were the first four of five phases of restoration. This last phase is not so much restoration as an alteration. As well as the other objectors mentioned by Thomond Park are the Pugin society in London who are very angry at the proposed work, which is considered by some as Pugins finest work.
The apartment development on the model farm road appears to be covered in green camoflage netting.Developers will do anything to avoid those anti-highrise potesters.
I was at the county hall last saturday week and I did not see the statue of the two men looking up at the county hall. Did I just not see it? Or has it been put into storage for the duration of the revamp of the building?Does anybody know?
I see in the Irish Examiner that it seems that Spike Island is to become the new prison for the Cork region. The hugely overcrowded prison on the northside will close due to the chronic drugs problem where drugs were being thrown over the prison walls, with some people actually placing ladders up aganst the walls to drop drugs in. Apparently the new prison will be seviced by a bridge from the mainland which would be aproximately 400-500 meters by my own reckoning. Good spot for a prison no doubtbut those who wanted to open a museum there are surely dissapointed.
You will need a very talented architect to create a house that will blend into the sourroundings in west Clare. I was there last summer and I was fairly appaled with the amount of bland bungalows that infest the area. All seem to be the same shape, size and most have the same terracotta colour.Since there is no hedges to conceal all the houses so you can see every house for miles around. The strong winds and harsh weather dont allow large gardens to grow so thehouses are very exposed though some type of a alien spiky bush grows and are grown in place of hedges. The area could be so much more beautiful without so many bungalows. I’m glad to see that someone has decided to try to build an imaginitive building, at least.
As regards the architects try
http://www.irishbuildingindustry.ie/Headings/ArchitectsWest.htmIf you ever get the project up and running let us know as it sounds like it could be an interesting project.
P.S. Does anyone know how to turn off overwright? That made typing this post kinda aqward.
The dense trees at the roadside on the Chapilizod bypass give the sense of being inthe countryside. you hardly feel as if you are Dublin at all.
I like the N8 approaching Cork. One minute your in deep hiy territory, next minute the lands sweep away and Cork appears at the end of the road.
The Fermoy bypass hardly seems wide enough at all.The NRA took the gererous medians to save money on the land compensation. Looks like they took 12 inches from each lane too.
Limerick to Ennis is also a nice stretch on which to drive. The castles and estuary view are very nice.
Of the worst:
The stretch from ovens in Cork to the Kerry border is one of the worst in the country.Narrow,twisty,blind corners, totally unsuited to HGV’s and coaches, a town and two villages(both traffic choked) and , in places, a surface like the surface of the moon.No overtaking, so don’t try to hink as to what would happen if you get stuck behind an OAP or a tractor.I could go on.Blarney to Buttevant really stinks.
Why not build a cycleway along by the strand parallel to the N11? Better view, less smoke. That would be easier than most other roads when it comes to building green routes. the N1, N2, N7 and N81 are all sourrounded by buildings which makes building specialised cycleways very hard indeed.
@A-ha wrote:
The Savoy is a really great building in Cork aswell. It’s a really good example of art deco in Ireland, and it has to be the finest art deco building in the city.What about the Christ the King church. Or is that art nouveau?
Thats an impressive piece of architechture and will mean a world of good for Drogheda if it is built. Last time I saw the town, it was covered in a layer of rubbish. But I have to say that that building, in my opinion would be better suited to a city where it would stand among other tall buildings and contrribute more to the skyline. The whole development has a sense of lighthouse in the middle of a bog about it.
P.S. Bog is used to illustrate the stand alone nature of the development, not as an reference to Drogheda.(Though some may consider otherwise) 😀
Waiting at Booterstown station recently, for a train that eventually never came, I saw a half finished foot bridge.No work was going on and it was all boarded up like work had just been abandonded. Despite being all white and shiny it was a kinda depressing site. The rest of the station seemed derilect and dead-did’nt even feel like a train station even though all the train stations were upgraded a few years ago.
Some of the problems with the esisting signage will have to be put right with the new ones. Cork i’m sure and Waterford, i think,are’nt signposted on the M50.I know a Scottish fisherman who ended up in Blessington for that reason
I hear that the NRA plan to by-pass the Dungarvan by-pass with a bypass. Not making the same mistake twice, it’s gonna be a dual carrigeway.
Oh, and I think that someone should tell the pissed-off guy who wrote the article about Enfield that Mensa, the high IQ society,said that the irish have the highest number of people, per hundred, in their society in the world, making this the smartest nation in the world. Most of the idiots make it to NRA, thats all, which gives an impression of general incompetence to outsiders. 😀
Cork I think has the most wide range of architechtural styles due to it’s position and influences. Dutch style buildings are about the place-crawford art gallery. Those unique steps/doors-since the days when cork was like venice. Though public classical buildings are rare the few that are there look great. We also have, in my opinion, the finest art deco building in the country-the Christ the King Church.
And on the subject of churches the fabulous situation of Cobh cathederal sends it to the top of my list.
Dublin definitly holds all the best public classical buildings giving it a grand European city look.
Limericks tall rigid georgian buildings on a gridiron pattern makes it feel like those parts of manhattan with the old red brick buildings
And Galway has the architechtural style of building site!
Originally posted by dave 123
there is a motorway near stonhenge too…
And now the local authority realises the mistake that they have made and they are covering it over at huge expense
But why didn’t the NRA go a mile or so west of the hill?I’m sure that they could invisage that there would be objections and that that would take up huge amounts of money and time.So they should have bypassed the trouble by bypassing the hill. They’re only sailing into the storm.
6.5 million
It was up to 9 before this whole latest incident began.10 or 11 looks like the finishing cost and I think that the City Council will be sued for compensation due to some of the shops closing down due to loss of buisness so that could be a further cost.
P.S When did it start and when was it due to finish?
