developments in cork
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- October 21, 2005 at 5:33 pm #758313
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ParticipantCool! I’m glad Howard got this one, i think they could really bring something special to this site. Oooh i cant wait to see what they have planned.
October 21, 2005 at 11:13 pm #758314PTB
ParticipantThe apartment development on the model farm road appears to be covered in green camoflage netting.Developers will do anything to avoid those anti-highrise potesters.
October 22, 2005 at 3:36 pm #758315A-ha
ParticipantAnd what about the Hilton supposed to be built in Mahon Point? Is it still on?
October 22, 2005 at 3:53 pm #758316lexington
ParticipantHoward Holdings are placing themselves in a very progressive position – the company is deciding to take action on all the talk regarding docklands potential and is ready to make something of it. Following the acquisition of the 11-acre Ford Distribution site, Howard are now engaging in discussions with Cork City Council, the GAA and the Munster Agricultural Society about attaining the important Showgrounds lands, or at least, the development rights to these easily developable properties. Further to that, Howard Holdings have conducted and continue to conduct talks with Tedcastle Holdings and their well place lands to the north of the Ford site, facing the River Lee. Should these lands be successfully attained, Howard will be in a prime development position with the largest single development opportunity (in terms of land holdings) in the South Docklands Area, thereby solidifying Howard’s long-term intentions to be the prime development company associated with the Cork docklands. Upwards of €400m is being loosely figured by the company with regard to development opportunities on the 3 mentioned land holdings, and that may not be all. This aggressive approach by Howard will also put pressure on other developers to successfully secure lands and development options within the South Docklands should they wish to plan a significant role in the future of what is essentially the largest, exciting and potentially most rewarding development opportunity in the south of Ireland. With 166 hectares forming part of the overall docklands development strategy, moves are swinging into play very smoothly now. Manor Park Homes, Werdna and the Kenny Group have secured the 3 primary sites associated with the North Docklands Area (however there are plenty of exciting opportunities yet to be realised along the Alfred Street/Railway Street corridor), and now Howard are pushing forward with securing a major land mass to the south. Other key landowners include IAWS, Southern Milling, Odlums, Omnistone, Careys Tool Hire and Shell.
The following months will undoubtedly see who will be established as the key docklands development holders. Indeed a myriad of issues will yet need to materialise before large-scale movement is realised – not least local authority discussion and plan actualisation, but also issues of attaining sustainable investment and employment opportunities and other market realisations. One thing is for sure however, with the Howard Holdings name moving so proactively toward land holding acquisitions, the heat is now on. Whether for investment or development, the drive is a clear issue of opportunity and confidence. The important thing for developers will be that land values remain reasonable – this will also be important for existing landowners who would be foolish to price themselves out of a good opportunity for them as well. Over the coming months, a clearer picture should be painted on who is going to have a say on how the future of the docklands is shaped.
However, in terms of development, a ‘goldrush’ scenario will not benefit the docklands, developers or the city at large, but rather a considerate and well phased redevelopment by noteworthy, key players that will afford imagination, design quality and sustainable progression of what is essentially a new ‘city’. Steady as she goes.
October 22, 2005 at 9:33 pm #758317A-ha
ParticipantI found some interesting pictures of Heathrow’s new Terminal 5 today when I was looking around on the net. I saw a few pictures that looked familiar when compared to Cork’s new terminal. Have a look at some of these pictures, the second one might be an insight into what the interior of our new terminal will look like when completed.
October 22, 2005 at 11:05 pm #758318October 23, 2005 at 2:49 am #758319Anonymous
InactiveOctober 23, 2005 at 2:36 pm #758320lexington
Participant@Thomond Park wrote:
That is cheerleading at its worst
I simply put that statement up because I withdrew an earlier post until it is approved and had notified that the subject post would be updated later as other members had complained that I use not to indicate to them when I had updated or was going to update posts with additional information. I now always (well 95% of the time) indicate at the bottom of my posts when and for what reasons I have updated a post. It seems like an awful waste of space not to utilise a post properly, so I will be getting back to it (hopefully) at a later stage should the post I initially made find approval – if it doesn’t, so be it. Better safe than sorry. :p
October 23, 2005 at 8:36 pm #758321lexington
ParticipantIn a competition held jointly by Cork City Council and the RIAI to design a suitable redeveloped central library for Cork in the 21st Century – 3 entries were jointly awarded the €10,000 1st Prize, sponsored by developer and auctioneer Joe Carey of REMAX Cork City & County. Over 400 expressions of interest were made with regard to the project, and 230 supposed entries were made from all over the world.
The winning entries were:
– Eugene Cheah & Colleagues from Victoria, Australia
– Johan Voordouw & Colleagues from Manitoba, Canadaand
– Pasel Kuenzel Architects from Rotterdam, The Netherlands
The Panel of Judges consisted of Jack Healy, Cork City Architect, Gary Mongey of Box Architects, Norma McDermott, Director of An Chomhairle Leabharlanna, and Joe Kennelly, Director of Services, Cork City Council. John Graby, Director of Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland (RIAI) stewarded the competition and the assessment process.
For further details see the RIAI Website
For a list of other shortlisted entries, see here.
October 24, 2005 at 2:00 pm #758322POM
ParticipantSome interesting ideas emerged out of the Library competition. The Eugene Cheah idea is very interesting and fronts out onto the middle of the revamped Grand Parade as a stand alone structure from the existing central library building. Though the idea is intriguing, much of the designs are unrealistic. Some proposals even proposed relocating the library out to the docklands as part of the new city centre. This would offer the Cork Corporation with a wonderful land sale ooportunity but I doubt they would be too willing to move from their current ringer of a location.
My favourite idea however did not make the final 3. This was the Embaixada proposal. Now that’s imagination. Could you conceive the controversy something like that would cause in Cork? Maybe it’s needed.
October 24, 2005 at 2:05 pm #758323lexington
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Designed by Nuno Griff of Embaixada
Runner-up in Cork City Ideal 21st Century Central Library Competition.
October 24, 2005 at 9:26 pm #758324lexington
ParticipantAn alternative perspective on the proposed motion before Cork City Council tonight, proposed by Councillor Dave McCarthy, and which seeks to impose a development ban on developments over 3-storeys across Cork’s suburbs. The campaign has been given a lot clout lately in the local media – and so be it, but here’s an alternative perspective on the motion. Click here.
It’s no harm to have a little balance. I hope to bring you news on the outcome of the motion tomorrow. In my own opinion, it is one that makes little social, economic or sustainable sense. A number of opponents have indicated their disapproval of the motion including Director of Planning Jim O’Donovan and Fine Gael Councillor and Former Lord Mayor Colm Burke.
Meanwhile, CCC have posted notification on amendments to the North Docklands Area Plan and by extension, the Cork City Development Plan 2004. Details of this are available on an earlier post.
Also, for those of you familiar with Babelmag, it’s latest addition contains an interesting argument in favour of the Victoria Mills design – if I come across it, I’ll put the text up for your deliberation.
Bishopstown Area Development PlanAnother topic of discussion among CCC tonight is the proposition of a Bishopstown Area Development Plan, forwarded by Councillors Brian Bermingham and Jerry Buttimer – indeed, I agree with the councillors and its supporters on the materialisation of such a plan, and hope it will provide some form of relevant guideline (and I stress ‘guideline’) with regards prospective development in the area over the coming years. That’s not to say development must be stalled in light of this plan’s formulation, but it should produce a constructive foresight on its completion.
Also calls by some local residents in the area for new local service amenities, such as parks and cinemas etc on the Dennehy’s Cross site are noted. I do not perceive the provision of a ‘cinema’ for example on the Dennehy’s Cross site – but for residents to enjoy such amenities, they need to have a relevant market base. As is, this market does not even support basic provisions such as a butchers, post office etc and that the development opposed by some will actually create a more sustainable environment for such amenities in the future. I support their efforts to attain such facilities – but I hope that they would understand that residential developments in the area will support such facilities realisation rather than inhibit it. Given the nearby student population base and emerging developments in the area – a small cineplex and associated facilities should be quite possible for all residents in the area at some prospective future date – however, there is another site near Dennehy’s Cross which I would deem much more suitable for such development (which could include a public park) – but the site would be subject to the current land-owner’s sale discretion.
October 24, 2005 at 11:39 pm #758325anto
Participant@lexington wrote:
🙂 With excavations now winding up, CainWhite have moved on site at Rockfell Investments’ Cornmarket Street development to begin foundations piling procedures. Footpaths to the front of the site, on the Cornmarket Street elevation are being dug up and other procedures on site are gearing up from the commencement of the primary construction phase. Small delays associated with excavations did materialise but a tower crane could be seen on site, according to workers, within a month. Frank Ennis & Associates are responsible for the 170,00sq ft of retail space and 65 apartments over 66 space basement parking which constitutes the project.
not too impressed with that I have to say, Doesn’t exactly respect the grain of the street,
October 25, 2005 at 2:38 am #758326lexington
Participant@anto wrote:
not too impressed with that I have to say, Doesn’t exactly respect the grain of the street,
Well it is only the 1st step in a larger scale rejuvenation process of the whole Cornmarket Street area. A new development/action plan has been published by CCC – and private development plans on 2 other fronts are also being examined. The plan is too realise Cornmarket Street as a natural extension of the Core Retail Area that is Patrick’s Street.
October 25, 2005 at 1:52 pm #758327lexington
Participant😡 In a momentously ill-considered decision, Cork City Council voted 15-8 in favour of imposing a development ban last night of structures proposed over 3-storeys, despite the warnings of City Manager Joe Gavin and Director of Planning Jim O’Donovan. Though the councillors that supported the motion and residents of the wetsern suburbs backing the ban may think they have won a victory, Joe Gavin warned that they may in fact damage themselves in the long-run. Regarded as a populist, short-sighted motion – it now limits investment options in the area and more specifically limits the ability of Cork City Council to have a more definite final say in the outcome of development projects proposed for suburban areas as more and more projects will likely be deffered to An Bord Pleanala for final deliberation. Existing and emerging patterns in the area may be used as arguments for justification in development proposal greenlighting. If backers of the motion believe this is too their benefit, they may be wise to defer their attention to recent appeal decisions concerning Grianbru, Farranlea Road and Victoria Cross.
Councillor Fergal Dennehy asked Cork City Council to lead the way in designating specific areas for so-called high-rise development – if he browses the Cork City Development Plan 2004 – 2009 he will note that Victoria Cross is already designated as one area capable of supporting such structures.
This motion will likely refer many higher calibre development opportunities to areas such as Douglas, Donnybrook, Ballincollig and other such areas exempt from such policy – in effect, the residents and councillors have simply made it more difficult for the likelihood of their desired local services and amenity provisions to be realised given the limits now imposed on private and public investment in the designated areas. The residential units proposed would create a large supportive market, however the reduced options on density now limit the ability to provide such a base and will displace development options. A very poor decision to which no long-term benefit will materialise for any involved party.
October 25, 2005 at 2:21 pm #758328jungle
ParticipantDo you have a list of councillors who voted for or against?
I think some emails are in order, but I don’t want to hassle any who voted against.
October 25, 2005 at 2:33 pm #758329lexington
ParticipantI don’t necessarily wish to issue a list of votes – it’s probably not fair, but many councillors have made their position public and you can deliberate from that yourself no doubt.
October 25, 2005 at 2:41 pm #758330rodger
ParticipantI suppose the bottom line to this is that An Bord Pleannala will have to make the final descision on any applications.All our elected representatives have done is put property beyond the reach of most buyers.Well done lads,the little man loses again.
October 25, 2005 at 3:42 pm #758331malec
ParticipantHi. Any news on the waterstreet development?
October 25, 2005 at 3:46 pm #758332pier39
Participantits a right farse. as joe gavin said, where are the suburbs exactly??? this uniform policy undermines cork corporation as a local authority and only gives abp more controle over development issues in cork. and what of land values? in order to justify the cost of sites unit prices will fly up. how exclusionary. isnt part of the reason behind part v of the planning act to create a mix of tenancy in larger residential developments to stop the formation of the ghettos them residents are screamin over??? well in isolating the type of persons who can afford accommodation in the suburbs arent the councillors and lobby residents propelling the formation of such? i thought our public representatives were suppose to look out for the greater good of all their constituents not just their own selfish interests. im so disappointed. like brian birmingham said its not as if developments in the suburbs have been slapbang in the middle of housing estates, they have been on otherwise derelict or former warehousing industrial sites which were eyesores or wastes. the impact of the developments have been exageratted tremendously. fair play to him and colm burke for being among the few councillors with some decent common sense and with their constituents genuinely at heart.
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