27 storey tower for Drogheda
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27-storey tower to extend €300m Drogheda scheme
Fiona TyrrellA 27-storey block will form part of a €300 million shopping, leisure and residential development in the docklands area of Drogheda.
Gerry Barrett’s Edward Holdings has lodged a second planning application to enlarge the original Scotch Hall shopping centre now under construction and provide 200 apartments, some of them in the tower block. The ambitious additional features will, if given approval by Drogheda Borough Council, see the construction of one of the tallest buildings in Ireland, the provision of a further 12,667 sq m (136,346 sq ft) of shopping space, more than 200 residential units and a second new bridge across the River Boyne. Work is well advanced on the building of 25,083 sq m (270,000 sq ft) of shopping facilities in the first phase.
The original €150 million Scotch Hall shopping centre and hotel complex is already under construction and due to open by the end of the year. The newly proposed Southbank retail, residential and leisure scheme, adjacent to the shopping centre, will represent phase two of the regeneration of the south side of the river, according to the developers.
Designed by Douglas Wallace Architects, the 27-storey tower will have 25 residential floors comprising 171 apartments. The first two floors will be bars and restaurants. A further 53 apartments will be provided in a second 13-storey tower. The Southbank development will also incorporate a 500-person conference centre and spa. A cinema, originally planned as part of Scotch Hall, will be moved to the Southbank and will now have eight screens.
The scheme also allows for the provision of a considerable volume of additional retail and commercial space in the Scotch Hall phase. The need for the Southbank centre has emerged because of a huge response from retailers, according to Edward Holdings.
A three-storey anchor retail unit and 20 other units in a two-storey building will be connected to Scotch Hall at ground and first floor level. An additional six-storey retail unit will also be built.
In addition, a 13-storey office block, with five levels of car-parking, measuring 11,344 sq m (122,106 sq ft) will be built. Over 600 car-parking spaces will be provided.
A further 79 rooms will be added to the four-star hotel, bringing the total up to 183. A new vehicular bridge will be built as part of the development, connecting the Dublin Road on the south side of the river to the traditional shopping areas on the north side at Merchant’s Quay/Steam Packet Quay.
A pedestrian bridge across the River Boyne already forms part of the plans for the Scotch Hall scheme. The two developments will, between them, provide around 400 meters of quayside pedestrian walkways lined with cafés, bars and other facilities, according to the developers.
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I have a big oul soft spot for Douglas Wallace, these buildings might not be their best work but it’s still pretty tasty when weighed up against the likes of Anthony Reddy’s Barrow Street atrocity and I ain’t a big fan of it’s neighbours either – in fact any high-rise proposed by Treasury Holdings.
My only ‘but’ about the project however is, 27-storeys…in Drogheda??? I suppose there is the argument that it doesn’t really matter about the scale as long as it fits – but still, I dunno, the jury’s out on this one for a while.That all said Gerry Barrett continues to be one of the most innovative developers in the country. And the project still looks better than its colleagues a little further south.
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@crc wrote:
27 stories seems a bit much for Drogheda, but its probably an over-estimate so that what the planners tell them to knock 7 stories off of it, the developers say “ok”. How far is it from the Railway Station?
5 mins on foot.
The locals are up in arms as they are already very concerned that the Scotch Hall Development will have a detrimental effect on the Main street.
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@mickeydocs wrote:
5 mins on foot.
The locals are up in arms as they are already very concerned that the Scotch Hall Development will have a detrimental effect on the Main street.
Well the head of the Chamber of commerce is, but his shop is on the main street (versted interest anyone). Truth is Drogheda is losing trade hand over fist to Blanchardstown, Dundalk and Pavillions, Swords in terms of shopping. And considering the massive growth in the town the shopping infrastructure hasn’t changed in over 20 years – the local Dunnes and Tesco (West Street) are both small 1960s relics. Downtown bars are either for 18-25 year olds or the 50+s. And don’t get me started on restaurants – suffice to say choice is exceedingly limited. Drogheda’s poulation is now 35,000+ and with a raft of rezoning this population will grow larger over the next few years.
Drogheda has a chance to become a destination for shopping, dining and drinking with this plan if it is carried out to plan. It would be lovely to sit Boyneside during the summer on a boardwalk having a pint before going for a meal (all far removed from traffic) in a cosmopolitan enviroinment. Why should the cities get all the fun?
Don’t let it become another dull dormitary town.
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@Rory W wrote:
Well the head of the Chamber of commerce is, but his shop is on the main street (versted interest anyone). Truth is Drogheda is losing trade hand over fist to Blanchardstown, Dundalk and Pavillions, Swords in terms of shopping. And considering the massive growth in the town the shopping infrastructure hasn’t changed in over 20 years – the local Dunnes and Tesco (West Street) are both small 1960s relics. Downtown bars are either for 18-25 year olds or the 50+s. And don’t get me started on restaurants – suffice to say choice is exceedingly limited. Drogheda’s poulation is now 35,000+ and with a raft of rezoning this population will grow larger over the next few years.
Drogheda has a chance to become a destination for shopping, dining and drinking with this plan if it is carried out to plan. It would be lovely to sit Boyneside during the summer on a boardwalk having a pint before going for a meal (all far removed from traffic) in a cosmopolitan enviroinment. Why should the cities get all the fun?
Don’t let it become another dull dormitary town.
No disrespect but Drogheda is already a dull dormitary town. Take the train into Dublin in the morning and you will realise that the upwardly mobile work in Dublin.
As someone who has been living in Drogheda for the best part of a year I must admit to having an affinity for the place, and would completely agree that the town is desperately devoid of any options in relation to shopping and leisure related facilities. However, imho, Scotch Hall is very badly located. Furthermore a very substantial portion of the local inhabitants are already up in arms over Scotch Hall, and the latest developments are just adding fuel to the fire. Especially as there has been a complete lack of any desire to engage the local population in any kind of discourse.
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@mickeydocs wrote:
No disrespect but Drogheda is already a dull dormitary town. Take the train into Dublin in the morning and you will realise that the upwardly mobile work in Dublin.
Thanks for the complement been on that train into Dublin for the last 3 years, feel like I’ve aged 30 years to be honest (leave house at 7.18 – home at night 19:45). It is indeed a dull domitary town but wouldn’t it be nice if commuter people wanted to shop and socialise in Drogheda rather than Dublin?
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@Rory W wrote:
Thanks for the complement been on that train into Dublin for the last 3 years, feel like I’ve aged 30 years to be honest (leave house at 7.18 – home at night 19:45). It is indeed a dull domitary town but wouldn’t it be nice if commuter people wanted to shop and socialise in Drogheda rather than Dublin?
How about leave house at 7:00 :(,
I know exactly what you mean about ageing.
The governments regional development is appalling, and I am amazed that local politicians are happy to see their brightest leave for Dublin each morning. Surely the IDA should be sending some industry in the direction of Drogheda?
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Okay you’re the CEO of the European arm of some japanese or american firm…
You have been directed to set up in Ireland
Needless to say you, your family and most of your top execs want to be were the action is – where the cultural events are, where the shopping is, where the restaurants are…
Do you set up in Drogheda?
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@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Got to say – I’ve yet to see a town in ireland that makes less of its advantages than Drogheda. So many good individual buildings but the town still feels like a dump – quite depressing.. thank god for Clarke’s Bar
I’d agree with that. It’s unfortunate as Drogheda has lots going for it, esp architecturally, yet it still has a name as being something of a kip to put it maybe too strongly. But that’s the impression that’s generated by people in the North East overall; they tend to describe it as a poundshop Mecca for some reason which perhaps is unfair.
Its unusual location and narrow and hilly streets tends to make it worse rather than better; if it was in the UK it’d be decribed as ‘charming’ or ‘endearing’ – here it’s just ‘pokey’ apparently, and is a ‘nightmare for parking’ town, heaven forbid – often makes it a no go area for many as a result.
There’s a general impression of ‘ah sure there’s nothing in Drogheda’, and considering its proximity to Dublin it tends to be worth going the extra few miles for whatever it is you want and by-passing the town altogether unless you actually live there.Maybe things will improve with the acres of housing going up all round and a resulting demand for new services. As for a tall building I think Drogheda is capable of absorbing one or two on it’s outer fringes like the location above – known as a town of spires, I think it’s not only acceptable but desirable that a modern statement be made too, esp in such an interesting valley location.
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Graham Hickey wrote:I’d agree with that. It’s unfortunate as Drogheda has lots going for it, esp architecturally, yet it still has a name as being something of a kip to put it maybe too strongly. But that’s the impression that’s generated by people in the North East overall]
Drogheda is a town with huge potential – probably why Gerry Barrett is promoting this scheme – infact there is no where else in Ireland with its combination of factors (close to Dublin – but not too close, port and beaches nearby, on the line to Belfast, great connectivity but al;so has distinct community spirit). It just has to look beyond its past, but also not to see itself as a dormitary for Dublin. The only example I can think of off hand is that It could be the Irish equivalent of Freemantle to Perth Australia, both distinct but complementary.
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Very, very nice, of course those of you from dublin are being critical and negative about it, as you are with any development outside of dublin. Envy, the though of somewhere else in ireland getting something really does seem to piss you of, dublin and its people are like spoilt children, given whatever they want when they want it, no expence spared, and as for the rest of ireland, well!
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I think the idea of the new building in Drogheda is a brilliant idea.
A: It will create new jobs for Drogheda which are needed
B:It will bring people to Drogheda who will stay and eat out in our many pubs/resturants
C:It will show how Drogheda has developed in the past 10 years into a new and modern town
D:Many of our photo clubs will be able to capture views of all the out side or Drogheda.Although there are many views I for one agree that it is the best way to a bright future for our town
Vincent Murray from Drogheda
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Rory W wrote:Drogheda is a town with huge potential – probably why Gerry Barrett is promoting this scheme – infact there is no where else in Ireland with its combination of factors (close to Dublin – but not too close, port and beaches nearby, on the line to Belfast, great connectivity but al]
Drogheda also has very many factors that go against it. There is no third level college in the town. There is a serious crime problem. The drug problem is also well out of hand. Traffic problems are excessive for such a small town. Water quality is awful. Amenities are very limited. The cultural life of the town is noticeable by its absence. The prices in the town for property and for general goods is scandalous.
Drogheda’s potential is entirely based on proximity to Dublin. It is already a dormitory town and this will only be accentuated by developments such as the proposed 23 storey appartment block.
Comparing Drogheda to Fremantle gave me a laugh. Bettystown doesn’t actually compare with the beaches of western australia 🙂
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@mickeydocs wrote:
Drogheda also has very many factors that go against it. There is no third level college in the town. There is a serious crime problem. The drug problem is also well out of hand. Traffic problems are excessive for such a small town. Water quality is awful. Amenities are very limited. The cultural life of the town is noticeable by its absence. The prices in the town for property and for general goods is scandalous.
Drogheda’s potential is entirely based on proximity to Dublin. It is already a dormitory town and this will only be accentuated by developments such as the proposed 23 storey appartment block.
Comparing Drogheda to Fremantle gave me a laugh. Bettystown doesn’t actually compare with the beaches of western australia 🙂
BTW, have you been to Fremantle?Ah it’s not that bad – show me a town in Ireland that doesn’t suffer from most if not all of these problems.
The apartment block is only part of the development, it’s the facilities (bars restaurants and shops which are attractive for retaining people and shops within the town. Its far better that development goes on close to the heart of the old town rather than out be the M1 don’t you think. By taking a gamble and pulling good quality shops bars and restaurants into what could be a good looking town (close to ports and airports and located between Dublin and Belfast) further investment (including aforementioned Japanese/American firm) could follow.
My point about Perth/Freemantle was based more on distance and flows between the two (I was there and Freeo is quaint & pretty compared with Drogheda but with a bit of work and a lot of imagination….)
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Following extensive discussions with Drogheda Boro Council, Edward Holdings’ SPV Talebury Limited has submit revised plans in response to Further Information to the council’s Planning Department. Among the changes, included is a reduction in Tower 1’s height by 1-floor (26 storeys over podium) and a reduction in unit numbers from 178 to 101.
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:confused: Am I missing something here? I really can’t see the point of reducing a building by just a single storey. Have you ever looked at a building and thought “Thank God that building was reduced in height slightly, otherwise it would be blight on the landscape etc.?”.
It seems to me like the thinking is, “Well we like this development, but we cant possibly let it go through the planning process unscathed”….”Ok, chop a storey off then, after all we HAVE to have some sort of height reduction.” -
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@mickeydocs wrote:
I really wonder if Drogheda’s planning department gave any thought to traffic disruption. The area is already a disaster in relation to traffic flow. There will be mayhem when SHE is opened in November. Surely there were better sites available for this project.
Given the fact it is within walking distance (actual walking distance not estate agent walking distance) from the existing town centre is surely a good site, it can contribute to the town day and night (hotel, cinema, riverside bars, restaurants, apartments etc) and not be stuck in some godforsaken road on the outskirts of the town like Liffey Valley which contributes a cinema after dark and thats it. Sure there will probably be some delays accessing the centre by car in November, but probably no worse than getting into the car parks on Dyer St at present.
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Thats an impressive piece of architechture and will mean a world of good for Drogheda if it is built. Last time I saw the town, it was covered in a layer of rubbish. But I have to say that that building, in my opinion would be better suited to a city where it would stand among other tall buildings and contrribute more to the skyline. The whole development has a sense of lighthouse in the middle of a bog about it.
P.S. Bog is used to illustrate the stand alone nature of the development, not as an reference to Drogheda.(Though some may consider otherwise) 😀
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@PTB wrote:
Thats an impressive piece of architechture and will mean a world of good for Drogheda if it is built. Last time I saw the town, it was covered in a layer of rubbish. But I have to say that that building, in my opinion would be better suited to a city where it would stand among other tall buildings and contrribute more to the skyline. The whole development has a sense of lighthouse in the middle of a bog about it.
P.S. Bog is used to illustrate the stand alone nature of the development, not as an reference to Drogheda.(Though some may consider otherwise) 😀
You are right PTB. It is very impressive. I would love to see that being built in Dublin alongside a few other highrises but i guess Dublin can’t have it all.
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@Rory W wrote:
Ah don’t be greedy lads!!!
Attached is a revised image of the development
Revised? It’s a completely different building. I prefer the original.
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@lexington wrote:
Original Scotch Hall Tower 27-storey Proposal
Revised 26-storey ProposalDeveloper: Edward Holdings (Talebury Limited)
Architects: Douglas WallaceI can’t say I’m not disappointed. 🙁
The big decision date is set for the 18th October 2005 – maybe a date worth keeping in mind.
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@alpha wrote:
not too long to go now! i hope they build the first one. it looks really nice. the other one looks very terracotta. yuck would be an understatement.
Doubtful – the 2nd design is the subject of redesign following Significant Further Information requests, in effect, it is a revised plan in addressment to some of the Boro Council’s concerns. The 1st Tower did not address these concerns and essentially does not represent the existing application. A decision date is due on the 16th October 2005. Such a pity.
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I forgot to mention Significant Further Information on the scheme is due to be lodged imminently. The proposal has received yet another design revision at the hands of Douglas Wallace and will home 101 residential units among other elements. I didn’t get to review the details in depth unfortunately but if I read it right the height has been adjusted on both the 26 and 13-storey blocks although the same number of floors will remain in the taller tower. I’m open for correction on that.
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Edward Holdings’ ambitious Southbank scheme, which forms part of the broader Scotch Hall development along Drogheda’s revived south quays/Marsh Road area, is now set for a planning decision by Drogheda Borough Council on June 14th 2006. The proposal, designed by Douglas Wallace Architects, regular collaborators with Gerry Barrett’s progressive development firm, have submitted the 2nd round of significant further information which has seen various modifications to the project. Initially submitted as part of a wider residential, office and retail scheme – the tower element initially realised at 27-storeys and over 170 residential units. The scheme was modified subsequent of planning requests – the removal of various materials (such as copper graced elements on the lower 13-storey block elements etc) and reconfiguration of the taller tower (reduced in height and unit numbers to just over 100 apartments) were submitted to the authority – the redesign proved controversial and further information was again requested. Modifications have again been implemented – although the precise extent of changes is not known.
The 14th June 2006 will be a significant date in deciding Drogheda’s continued rejuvenation.
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http://www.unison.ie/drogheda_independent/stories.php3?ca=34&si=1614343&issue_id=14045
Scotch Hall tower plan abandoned
By Donncha MacRaghnaillDROGHEDA’S proposed skyscrapers have been scrapped in a dramatic scale down of the new Scotch Hall expansion on the Marsh Road.
In a dramatic turn of events, developer Talebury Properties Ltd has axed it plans to seek permission for two large residential towers, one measuring 27 stories high, the other at 13 stories as part of the Southbank development, a phase two of the Scotch Hall development.
The revelation came in the latest official correspondence on Friday, April 21, with the borough council which had requested clarification on certain points of further information it had received concerning Drogheda’s most ambitious planning application to date.
Talebury Properties, owned by Galway developer Gerry Barrett, had previously scaled down the height of the towers, but has now completely removed the residential portion, consisting of some 159 apartments.
Planned bars, a restaurant, crèche and cafes which were at the base of the towers are also gone.
The latest correspondence stated: ‘It is noted that the residential towers are clearly high elements and have generated a high level of concern with the local authority (and third parties).
‘For this reason this entire element has been removed in order to allow the processing of the rest of the application,’ it said.
The proposed multiplex cinema remains in the plans as does a host of retail and office units, all of which the borough council is yet to make a decision on.
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Whilst normally opposed to ‘project splitting’ a technique used to develop sites in a piecemeal and uncoherent fashion I think that the developers here are reasonably entitled to resubmit a second application given their genuine efforts to push a complete application through in the first instance.
The delays and resultant financing costs have probably left them with no option but to defer the residential element pending a complete redesign of this element. Im sure this will be back by years end and I hope that nothing close to the second design in appearance returns and that something emerges that is a pleasant surprise.
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@lexington wrote:
Edward Holdings’ ambitious Southbank scheme, which forms part of the broader Scotch Hall development along Drogheda’s revived south quays/Marsh Road area, is now set for a planning decision by Drogheda Borough Council on June 14th 2006. The proposal, designed by Douglas Wallace Architects, regular collaborators with Gerry Barrett’s progressive development firm, have submitted the 2nd round of significant further information which has seen various modifications to the project. Initially submitted as part of a wider residential, office and retail scheme – the tower element initially realised at 27-storeys and over 170 residential units. The scheme was modified subsequent of planning requests – the removal of various materials (such as copper graced elements on the lower 13-storey block elements etc) and reconfiguration of the taller tower (reduced in height and unit numbers to just over 100 apartments) were submitted to the authority – the redesign proved controversial and further information was again requested. Modifications have again been implemented – although the precise extent of changes is not known.
The 14th June 2006 will be a significant date in deciding Drogheda’s continued rejuvenation.
Any word on this??
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From The Sunday Business Post 18/6/06
100m Drogheda scheme gets go-ahead
18 June 2006 By Neil Callanan and Susan Mitchell
The Southbank scheme on the town’s revived south quays and the Marsh Road area is being developed by Edward Holdings, the company controlled by Galway property developer Gerry Barrett.The scheme is about 300,000 square feet in size and includes a proposal for another vehicular and pedestrian bridge that will connect the southside and the northside of Drogheda.
Planners gave notification of the decision last week. The proposal, designed by Douglas Wallace Architects – which regularly collaborates with Barrett’s development firm – has been modified significantly.
It will contain retail space, an office block, a hotel, a spa, restaurants, bars, cafes and an eight-screen cinema. An additional 600 car parking spaces will also be provided. Hugh Wallace, of Douglas Wallace, said the developer had not sought planning for a tower. The developer initially proposed to construct a 13-storey tower and a 27storey tower, which would have been one of the tallest buildings in Ireland.
‘‘We left that element out but we are looking at that and it is our intention to reapply for planning permission for a tower,†said Wallace. Establishing an exhibition centre on the site is also under consideration, he said.
Wallace said there was good local support for the development. Phase one of Scotch Hall – one of the largest mixed-use developments outside of the Dublin region – opened last November and is already fully let.
‘‘It has already had a great impact on the development of the town centre,†said Wallace.
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