Motorways in Ireland

I think enough is enough with these stubburn green treaty people, and pagans and fanactical historians , I can’t remember the proper names for those people who halt all the new roads ( the kinda people who slept on the N11 going through the glens), and complain everytime there is someting needed to keep our Country Moving???

Would they ever live go live in igloo in Lappland or and smoke dope beside a fire where there are no roads and treatment plants , motorways and even no sight of the M50 and M3! better stil they couuld live in harmony in the North pole . Meanwhile back to Motorway thread…..

if anything id blame the NRA for bad planning and growing money trees to waste time and the money to build infastructural projects, not the Government!

dave123-

To draw parallels between the protestors in the Glen and those attempting to bring a measure of sense to the M3 debate is unfair and naive. Also, every campaign will have an extremist element, on both sides. There are many people who disagree with the M3 route who would never wish to be associated with dope smoking Lapplanders, just as there are many people who are in favour of “keep[ing] our Country Moving” who would not wish to be associated with shrill, sweepingly generalised pronouncements written in often unintelligible text-speak.

Graham-

“Why is the concept of the system being transparent & democratic [bollocks]”- for starters, there’s the 20 euro fee for observations, which might seem small to most people but which is a prohibitive hurdle for many people directly affected by major planning schemes.

There is no question that the conservation movement was done no favours by litigants in relation to either the Glen of the Downs or Carrickmines, in the case of the Glen there were essentially three routes, Route A destroy Bray Head, Route B chosen or Route C destroy the Sugarloaf. It was the correct decision to my mind. In relation to Carrickmines Castle it was a national monument and the roundabout could have been moved by 100m it probably should have been but it was a national monument as opposed to a national treasure, in this case I was in two minds as to whether a road feature setting an undesireable precendent should have been pushed through as this time they had an option unlike the Glen.

Regarding Tara there were a number of routes open to the NRA and there was even the route of building a combined N2/N3 route as a six lane highway to provide a high capacity spine that could have been split a few miles north of the M50 to dilute the load hitting this clogged up orbital route.

To my mind there is significant doubt as to the correctness of the currnet administrations iron will to push this through against the advice of the Director of the National Museum of Ireland who is in a unique position to comment as to the importance of the Tara-Skryne area, there has also been concern expressed by the National Trusts of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales or looking at it another way the principal heritage bodies from all the different Celtic Cultural Blocks.

The one peice of completely new information I wish to include at this time is that the proposed rail extension to Pace cannot be opened until this innappropriately routed road is completed. The reason being is that the Pace terminus can only be accessed from the M3 and only from a point beyond where the toll has been paid coming from Navan. I am not stating this myself but a very senior rail observer is of the opinion that this route has been specifically designed to benefit a toll operator. It will not be possible to use the Meath rail line without paying a toll to the operator of the M3.

I suggest that it is in fact the Commuters of Meath that are being taken by this current administration.

I would hope that it wouldn’t take that long, I can confirm that it would be entirely possible to run a limited number of no change trains from Navan to Dublin Connolly within 12 months taking 70-73 minutes during peak hours the slots exist in the Iarnrod Eireann timetable at present. This will shortly be confirmed by Platform 11 and will be followed by the Navan Rail Campaign.

😮 LOL… IM CRAICIN UP ! with the pic you sent thomond park….

@Thomond Park wrote:

Dunshaughlin can have a bypass anyway and if the route were sufficiently routed east of this site of World importance dunshaughlin probably wouldn’t need a by-pass in the first place.

The more I think of the individual blunders in this scheme the more I question the validity of tenure of the vast majority of senior NRA staff.

Lets face it Cullens latest tirade has little to do with anything other than providing a smokescreen away from the massive cost over-runs within the NRA programme.

Taxpayers have been let down on a huge scale in relation to public projects such as e-voting, the national aquatic centre, aborted Breetie Bowl, Luas, Cork Airport terminal the list is endless.

how that man is still a minister i will never know. i think in retrospect the pds have sighed a quiet breath of relief. that man has cost the state a treasure and so blatantly and unapologetically too,

@dave123 wrote:

LOL…….
please don’t get me going on the m3.

Wouldn’t dream of it.

I agree about the fee and this situation can be further compounded by applicants engaging in deliberate application splitting, I have seen cases where four seperate members of the same family have applied for identical designs drawn up (often badly) by the same designer (usually not an architect) and submitted on the same day where all of the applications relate to a single land folio.

I can also understand Dave123’s frustration that the Mid-West/South West is being denied a dual carriageway whilst two commuter motorways/dual carriageways are being built roughly 5 miles apart on roughly parallel alignments.

Lol

funny stuff you said about the hill of tara ,

geographicaly its a half a mile further west of the eicting N3 and the three is anothr a half mile or so,

so techically it is over a mile from the hill of tara….

anyway when is the M7 going ahead from Nenagh to limerick , its becoming very frustrating!! it was meant to be finished in 2005 , not 2205

the government had the nerve to put their bald heads in the sand and let other roads go ahead when some of them were on the drawing board! at the time the road should be well in the construction phase, although it would not bother me the slightest if any new road was needed and gt the go-aheas
but this common sense here,
that road has no reason to be waiting go ahead , its should have started in 2003? sorry that date was two years ago ?the environmental impact statments and CPO was done twicedone (problay cost the sane as building a few kilometres of motorway , while The NRA were making paper airplanes.
its quite a waste of money and time.

its all Bolox of this scountry (i do love our country but the people who run it totally dislike)when it comes to stickning with a plan through and bloody do the damn thing right ,
anybody can name 52 things from the top of your head that the state had built

natioal AQuatic centre, port tunnel
the M(barresing)50 , Dublin Airport,
has anyone travleed between porlaois and mountrath ? supposed to a main artial orute in the country or better still the E20! Erea square , are main roads are still full of otholes , they weventually build the state of the art road, two weeks later the diggers are bck to fit a tootbrush size pipe under it and then after that eircom come in , oh yeah the gas pipline that will go arounfd the ring of kerry and go by donegal to Dublin.
font plan just build on top of… lol
this is a good way of letting out steam.

the list goes on and on…..

Eye no wat u meen,