developments in cork
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- October 12, 2005 at 4:17 pm #758253
lexington
Participant๐ McInerney Construction has been greenlit for the development of 202 new homes, 24 apartments and 21 service sites at their lands in Newtown near Cobh. The project was designed by Dennehy + Dennehy.
๐ฎ Meanwhile James Ronayne has reapplied to CCC for permission on his site at Thomas Davis Street in Blackpool. Previously Mr. Ronayne was refused planning for a 3-storey building with ground floor retail and 8 overhead apartments. Again, permission is sought for a 3-storey building with 3 ground floor retail units and 8 overhead apartments – this will be Mr. Ronayne’s third attempt on the site.
:confused: Corbett’s (J&M) have withdrawn their application for the redevelopment of the Carmelite Terrace near the Western Road. The developers had applied to developed the terrace in a 3-storey, 22-unit apartment development over basement car-park – designed by James Bourke of James Leahy & Associates. No resident submissions were lodged against the proposal which was withdrawn a day before the scheduled decision.October 12, 2005 at 4:32 pm #758254Radioactiveman
ParticipantI can’t say I’m disappointed with the decision to withdraw the plans for Carmelite Terrace. However, whether this will save the buildings as they stand, I very much doubt it.
October 12, 2005 at 4:45 pm #758255lexington
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
I can’t say I’m disappointed with the decision to withdraw the plans for Carmelite Terrace. However, whether this will save the buildings as they stand, I very much doubt it.
I looked into sustainable redevelopment options on these houses some time ago – subsidence and drainage issues are big factors here, not least numerous structural complications. Of course these can all be addressed, however the economic cost of this does meet a viable development alternative. A number of factors have influenced this scenario, beyond refurbishment and foundation cost issues – land value is one of those factors. In terms of attaining a sustainable profit, the amount of money required to maintain these properties in a long-term habitable state plus the cost of site acquistion does not satisfy the individual sale of these houses as owner-occupier facilities. Furthermore, their conversion to interconnected student or worker habitats, supplemented by extensions to the rear of these adjoining premises also starts running into financial dark waters. I agree that they are notable structures in their own right – but given planning policy constraints, their retention by private sources whilst generating a sufficient profit does not tally up. However, should certain policies and zonings be readdressed, options do exist that may offer a successful retention of these premises – with modifications, however the predominantly residential nature of the surrounding area may make such options increasingly complicated.
October 12, 2005 at 10:08 pm #758256lexington
Participant๐ Niall & Sheila Doris have seen Further Information requested of their proposal to redevelop the Nat Ross premises along Monahan’s Road on the so-called ‘crescent’ of Cork’s South Docklands area. The proposal, designed by Jonathan Horgan with SDA O’Flynn seeks to develop 104 new homes (99 apartments over 5 linked blocks ranging in height between 4 and 10 storeys with 5 seperate 2-storey terraced houses) and circa. 37,000sq ft of business & technology office space all over a large basement car-park.
๐ Following an appeal by Carrigaline-based Ruden Homes regarding planning conditions, the company now looks set to develop the 537 permitted homes of their original 554 unit housing proposal for Lehenagh Beg/Lehenagh More near Togher. The development, in the shadow of Cork Airport’s flight-path, will also provide a retail units, creche and additional amenity facilities at the large scale plan.
๐ The appeal against BrideView Developments 27 permitted apartments on a site just under 1 acre at Carrigaline Middle, positioned by the main Cork Road, has been dropped clearing the way for initiation of development on the site.– speaking of BrideView, their Unity House development along the Lower Glanmire Road & Alfred Street is receiving the finishing touches, and generally looks well as an entrance into an area cited for some major redevelopment over the coming future.
October 13, 2005 at 1:10 am #758257Anonymous
Inactive@lexington wrote:

๐ Harvery Norman Leasing LimitedAs was said before Harvey is not exactly competitive on price; combine this with apr rates in excess of 20% and one steers well clear. Any images of the retail warehousing?
October 13, 2005 at 8:43 am #758258lexington
Participant@lexington wrote:
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Also, I hope to be able to post news on the successful Revenue Commissioners bid shortly.
As par my previous post (#705), I just want to update you on some news that’s been doing the realms for the past few weeks but I remained reluctant to post. It concerns the Revenue Commissioners and confirms that the wonderful Kenny Group proposal designed by Wilson Architecture is out of the race for provision of the new office space. As previously confirmed, the Shipton Group are also long out on their Blackpool Park proposal (currently under construction) – leaving McCarthy Developments and the pitch by Frank Sheahan & Joe Carey still in the running. It is also believed Ascon Rohcon is now working with the latter boosting their bid somewhat – however Tom McCarthy still has every reason to be confident.
It’s a pity that Paul Kenny has withdrawn what would have been a wonderful addition to the Cork city landscape, whether or not Mr. Kenny will maintain the design and start pitching it at a decentralising Government agency or large corporate body remains to be seen.

Paul Kenny’s highly praised proposal, designed by Wilson Architecture – now no longer in the RC bid running.
McCarthy Developments’ Centre Park Road proposal designed by Murray O’Laoire, in the final 2 remaining bids.October 13, 2005 at 11:06 am #758259Radioactiveman
Participantรขโยฌ100m project will ‘set scale’ for quays
The Irish Times
A new รขโยฌ100 million residential development on one of Cork’s quays will set the scale for future development of the city’s docklands, an An Bord Pleanรยกla oral hearing was told yesterday. Hugh Murray of Murray O’Laoire, lead architect of the project, said it was essential that the Water Street development by Werdna Ltd on Cork’s north docklands was the correct height. “This project is going to set the scale for all future developments. I feel passionately that if we set it too low, we will make a mistake for the rest of the waterfront in the city,” Mr Murray told the hearing chaired by An Bord Pleanรยกla inspector David Dunne. Werdna Ltd is appealing two conditions attached by Cork City Council to a revised 304-apartment proposal for Water Street submitted after the council refused permission for a 400-apartment complex.
I have to say, I don’t think Water Street is the best we can do as regards “setting the scale” for future developments in the Docklands. CCC clearly has no great problem in giving permissin for tall buildings- as evidenced by their green light for the Eglington Street development and the willingness of other developers to submit towers as part of their plans (e.g. Crows Nest).
What CCC have always said, and I agree with them on this one, is that these very tall buildigs should be landmark buildings. Murray O’Laoire cannot argue that this is a landmark building solely because of its height alone – a landmark building should be distinctive and sould stand on its own.
To be tall a building must be landmark and to be landmark a building has to be more than tall!!October 13, 2005 at 8:46 pm #758260lexington
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O’Flynn Construction’s Ballincollig S.C., as part of its larger Ballincollig Town Centre development on 93-acres of the former Murphy’s Barracks. opens next Tuesday 18th 2005. The company has launched an official website to compliment the opening. See for youself at Ballincollig Shopping Centre.
*UPDATES*๐ Howard Holdings will seek permission for a further 124sq m of additional office space at their WebWorks development currently under construction along Albert Quay. The provision additional floor-space is consequent of consultations with Enterprise Ireland and will be provided at the 3rd floor level should it be granted. The WebWorks was designed by Scott Tallon Walker and is being built by John Paul Construction.
October 13, 2005 at 10:02 pm #758261A-ha
ParticipantOh my god…. I can’t believe what I’m reading about Paul Kenny’s RC building. That was one project I really wanted to see get built. That’s disappointing! And I agree, yes I would like to see the Water Street development get the go ahead, but I think we could do abit better in terms of setting a scale. Can’t wait to check out Ballincollig SC; apart from the Dunnes like, I think it will be a nice shopping centre overall and it should do really well too. What’s happening with the airport? Any pics. available?
October 13, 2005 at 10:12 pm #758262A-ha
ParticipantNothing to do with Cork, but is anyone able to tell be the background of the MI6 building in London? It’s very imaginative and creative, and I’ve never seen a building like it before. Would be nice to see more creativity going into Irish buildings like they have done in the UK.
October 13, 2005 at 10:14 pm #758263Anonymous
Inactiveit is very strange looking. i like the stonework yes but that’s about it. that green cladding is awful.
October 14, 2005 at 11:08 am #758264Andrew Duffy
ParticipantIt’s a nasty pile of postmodern nonsense. To my eyes it’s marginally more offensive than the decaying 60s curtain walled object beside it.
October 14, 2005 at 5:26 pm #758265Radioactiveman
ParticipantAnybody any news on Frinailla’s Lady’s Well which was on appeal to ABP?
Decision was due yesterday.October 14, 2005 at 9:56 pm #758266PTB
ParticipantI see in the Irish Examiner that it seems that Spike Island is to become the new prison for the Cork region. The hugely overcrowded prison on the northside will close due to the chronic drugs problem where drugs were being thrown over the prison walls, with some people actually placing ladders up aganst the walls to drop drugs in. Apparently the new prison will be seviced by a bridge from the mainland which would be aproximately 400-500 meters by my own reckoning. Good spot for a prison no doubtbut those who wanted to open a museum there are surely dissapointed.
October 14, 2005 at 10:03 pm #758267PTB
ParticipantI was at the county hall last saturday week and I did not see the statue of the two men looking up at the county hall. Did I just not see it? Or has it been put into storage for the duration of the revamp of the building?Does anybody know?
October 14, 2005 at 10:14 pm #758268Anonymous
Inactivewhenever i hear about spike island i think about alcatraz. in a way they are very similar. two prisons on an island…
October 15, 2005 at 12:09 am #758269A-ha
ParticipantI wonder has it anything to do with Cork being twinned with San Francisco. What will happen the prison in the northside…. it’s a rotten old dump, it’s what you expect from a prison in Soviet Russia. Nobody should be subject to having to piss into a plastic bucket in the middle of a room that the in-mates must spend 20 hours a day in. And PTB, I haven’t been out in County Hall in ages, but I would suspect that the statue was taken away for the time being.
October 15, 2005 at 6:30 pm #758270lexington
Participant@lexington wrote:
:confused: Corbett’s (J&M) have withdrawn their application for the redevelopment of the Carmelite Terrace near the Western Road. The developers had applied to developed the terrace in a 3-storey, 22-unit apartment development over basement car-park – designed by James Bourke of James Leahy & Associates. No resident submissions were lodged against the proposal which was withdrawn a day before the scheduled decision.
๐ Corbett’s will seek to reapply for their proposal at Carmelite Place – the application reiterates intentions for a 22-unit apartment development over basement car-park with a readdressed statement on height ranging for 3 to part 4-storeys. Design is again by James Bourke of James Leahy & Associates.
October 17, 2005 at 12:27 pm #758271Radioactiveman
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
Anybody any news on Frinailla’s Lady’s Well which was on appeal to ABP?
Decision was due yesterday.I’m answering my own question here, but FYI, An Bord Pleanala’s decision on Frinailla’s Lady’s Well has been put back to November 2nd.
October 17, 2005 at 1:20 pm #758272securityman
ParticipantDoes anyone have an Idea when the second phase of Blackpool Retail Park is due for completion as it seems to be moving on nicely at present. I hear that Pizza Hut and Eddie Rocketts are among those moving in this time around.
I was passing by OCPs building on Lavitts quay the other day and saw activity in the large retail outlet is this Vibes and Scribes as expected.
Harvey Norman have the signs up so they should be ready to open next week I’d say.
I hear the Ramada hotel is opening in the Blarney Golf Resort before Christmas any pictures.
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