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If the rumour mill is correct then one of Cork’s MOST senior planning officials has been banished to some backwater Dept. called Community and Parks or something.
Disgraceful if true. This guy was one of only a few that supported high rise buildings in Cork.
Anyone with details ??@lexington wrote:
kite – the development front was going through a little lull there for a period, but things are starting to pick up now again coming up to Christmas. As for participation, that really is the discretion of users – the number of hits to the thread would seem to dictate that it is continuing to be read regularly by a number of persons (many not registered), however it terms of contribution – it’s up to people I suppose to take that on themselves. The same happened once or twice before, when there’s no real big news, things aren’t as frequently responded to.
As for the title, you’ll have to direct your enquiry to Paul Clerkin – presumably the title element ‘architecture’ was not perceived as warranted(???), Admittedly the new title is a little confusing, and maybe a revised title like “Cork: Development” would at least provide some sense of identifiability with respect to the preceding thread title. Similarly, you’ll have to ask him about the time displays – I don’t generally take note of them but I know other users have mentioned the same issue on other threads. I don’t know, sorry. :confused:
Interestingly, between the ‘LADSOCL’ thread and this thread, a combined hit volume of 248,219 views has been achieved with a combined 3,042 posts. That’s no bad achievement in terms of participation and says a great deal about the popularity of the threads and the Archiseek.com forums as a whole. 🙂
All the best,
Lex 😮
Thank you for clearing up most of my queries Lex. Maybe Paul Clerkin could let us know why the thread title was altered, i feel the new title lacks something?
@lexington wrote:
‘developments in cork’
is there a new sub-forum being devised???
e.g. developments in south-east
developments in cork:confused: What is going on on this forum Lex?
Things have never been so quiet, the title is changing, the time display suggests that we are all burning midnight oil…Just finding this all hard fo follow.@burge_eye wrote:
strange how these Cork based threads always seem to end in bickering and acrimony. It reminds me of those old silent movies where a massive fight breaks out and the 2 people who started it crawl out the bottom and walk away unscathed – Frank and Owen maybe?
I would like nothing more than the thread stick to A&D, i would hate to see another great forum lost as per..(LADSOCL ??)
lexington wrote:. Remember, developers are not (in most cases) architects – that is why they employ the skills of others. The fact that many developers have taken an increasingly active interest in design (a classic example being the relationship between Edward Holdings and Douglas Wallace) is in someways a proverbial ‘bonus’ (depending on your perspective). It is so easy for us in this position to cheap whip – indeed some of it is warranted.Point taken about Holdings & Wallace, but then one has to deal with the likes of Montgomary & Derek Tynan and Co. supported by CCC planning Dept.(Victoria Mills)
Are there any gamekeepers left, or is everyone in the poachers camp?@phatman wrote:
Are people just afraid to admit the new school of music looks crap? I just hope it turns out to be more appealing in the flesh
😮 Guilty as accused….i thought this was a good idea at the time ?
@A-ha wrote:
Why is it that new buildings are never built in the style of places like Brown Thomas or Roches. They are extraordinarily beautiful buildings and instead of building timber cladded buildings with aluminium and plastic features….. wouldn’t it be nice to see more of those works of art built in the city centre where they would fit in more and give a boulevardian feel to the city.
🙁 Why?….GREED may have a lot to do with the rubbish we have to contend with in Cork. (MQ?)
What was a puzzle to me, and im sure many others was why nothing was happining development wise on the Custom House Quay site in Cork.
The answer came by way of an article in the IE on Thursday 24th Nov.
According to the IE a company called Ochre Ridge Ltd. has begun a High Court case in Dublin claiming breach of contract in relation to issues regarding CHQ.
Anyone got updates on this?:rolleyes: Jim O’Donovan, Director of services gave a robust defence of architectural standards in Cork in todays Irish Times letters page. He rightly mentions most, if not all of the good recent developments in Cork.
He does however fail to give a mention to the building that was “highly commended’ by the Opus awards…The VICTORIA MILLS, surely an oversight??😡 Councillors bowing to pressure from CSD to impose a 3 storey height cap on housing….
Cork airport to have ONLY ONE airbridge (Evening Echo today) just what is going on in Cork?😮 Mary Leland in todays (19th) property section of the IE re. the Blackrock area plan states that…
(The maximum recommended height of 3 storeys, however is still too TALL for for the village setting..)
Can we now expect another vote by city councillors to impose a height cap of 2 storeys?lexington wrote:🙁 An appeal has been lodged against Frinailla’s plans to develop a 6-storey, 25-unit apartment development (not intended for student usage) over 42-space dual-level basement car-park designed by Richard Rainey & Associates for the former Plumbing Utilities store along Victoria Cross Road. The revised plan was permitted planning at the beginning of this month. The appeal has been lodged by Mick Murphy with the Communities for Sustainable Development anti “high-rise” lobby group. Frinailla already have existing planning on the site, from its previous owner, for a student development – and the option remains open for them to embark on this less aesthetically pleasing proposal – should any appeal prove unsuccessful. In a sense, the appeal is leaving the local residents open to a less favourable option. Could the appeal money have been put to better use?
Yep, and according to CCC website Mick Murphy and CSD have lodged an objection to the Carmelite Place 4, YES “four” storey proposed development…these people are becoming a REAL pain in the A**@BTH wrote:
I think that this reply basically sums up all that’s bad with developers in this country – breathtaking arrogance, no willingness to accept past mistakes (the merchant’s quay shopping centre is truly indefensable no matter what the ecomomic climate was at the time), and a general sense that he believes that all development is good development… For god’s sake the Lavitts Quay development is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen and I’d challenge anyone to defend it. In many ways its worse than Merchant’s Quay because so much money has been thrown at it that the end result could have easily been something with a bit of grace… Exactly the same is true of Mahon Point – another completely soulless tarmac desert with some tin boxes thrown around and a bit of copper to make it “interesting”, It’s Blanchardstown/Liffey Valley/Tallaght all over again and it doesnt work! Why do you think all of the above are looking at major redevelopment plans already involving streets and places and mixed uses.
I’m not saying that I totally agree with McDonald’s article – there are lots of smaller scale developments of high quality going on and a great energy in the city at the moment. Ballincollig Town Centre is a very interesting looking scheme and I’m looking forward to seeing it in the flesh. But I’d rather have Frank McDonald, someone who knows something about architectural quality and good urban spaces, lecture me than some money grabbing developer…Thank you, thank you, somebody talking commen sense again !!
@Saucy Jack wrote:
Little to Show for Corks year as European Capital of Culture – The Irish Times 10 November 2005.
Scathing article by Frank McDonald ( who else?) after a positive article in the same esteemed journal earlier in the year. In a nutshell hates all the Howard Holdings / O’Callaghan Properties attempts around our City loves the Glucksman.The Cork City Council inertia and double standards baffle us all and its good to have an outside view on our beautiful city and its administrators.
I hate to say it but he’s right about everything.Methinks Mr.McDonald must have had sour milk on his cornflakes when he penned that article. The same gent had nothing but praise for Cork some months ago.
@phatman wrote:
I sense Lexington is having a bit of a laugh…well I hope he is..
:confused: Somehow i dont think he is, a story in todays IE by Tom Barker seems to back up what Lex said.
Gives the councillors that voted for the 3 storey cap an excuse to say “we are right ???”@jungle wrote:
Do you have a list of councillors who voted for or against?
I think some emails are in order, but I don’t want to hassle any who voted against.
A list of councillors that voted on this motion can be found on http://www.corksouthwest.com
Councillors e mail address can be found on http://www.corkcorp.ie
No harm to let them know what we think.pier39 wrote:sooouuundsss interesting! looking forward to seeing the pics on this one. will frinailla get away with 7 storeys? well possibly it will depend on the design. building heights along this road are averaging between 5 and 9 anyway. plus with the possibility of the cork farm centre (ive heard the same talk too lex! ]😡 Yep, you are right about CSD having a baby on this one, see their post on http://www.corksouthwest.com re. Liverpool’s city of culture year 2008 below.
Cork City (For Sale)
The Mayor of Liverpool, Europe’s capital of culture 2008 gave an interview to Sky News on the 26th may 2005 after Liverpool’s victory in the UEFA champions league final…He said:
Liverpool went through a bad spell some years ago when property developers dictated what was built where and when in the city.
This unsustainable development caused untold damage to the fabric and pride of our city.
Things have now changed for the better, now we tell developers what we as a city need and want, and if they don’t like it they can go and destroy some other city. We now tell them Liverpool is NOT FOR SALE.
When we take over the mantle of Europe’s capital of culture we will be ready to show the world that Liverpool is back, vibrant, and looking forward.
We have no intentions of going back to the bad old days of inferior development.
Cork City Planners and Management take note……
Or is Cork for sale ???
