developments in cork
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- November 25, 2005 at 4:33 pm #758553
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InactiveThe Atlas of Cork City has now been published. There was an article on the book in the Irish Examiner today. The Atlas contains a section called Contemporay Transformations which looks at amongst other things planning and development. The Atlas is priced at €49 and has 480 pages in colour, 200 new maps have been drawn for the book. ISBN: 1859183808
November 25, 2005 at 7:39 pm #758554rebel_city
ParticipantThanks for the infor about the Atlas! Much appreciated. Will have to wait that bit longer for Water St. hopefully it’ll be worth the wait. I heard rumours that H&M or Dixons might be going into that development by te Goat pub on the Grand Parade
November 25, 2005 at 9:11 pm #758555dowlingm
ParticipantI’m glad Indaver got approved, if only because now Ireland will be forced to deal with its own waste, either via incineration or reduction. About 11 years ago I used to write Trans Frontier Shipment documents to ship waste from Dublin to the UK because the facilities to deal with it didn’t exist in Ireland.
November 26, 2005 at 10:14 pm #758556kite
ParticipantWhat was a puzzle to me, and im sure many others was why nothing was happining development wise on the Custom House Quay site in Cork.
The answer came by way of an article in the IE on Thursday 24th Nov.
According to the IE a company called Ochre Ridge Ltd. has begun a High Court case in Dublin claiming breach of contract in relation to issues regarding CHQ.
Anyone got updates on this?November 26, 2005 at 11:40 pm #758557mhenness
ParticipantDoes anyone know what is happening with the area where the old Philips service site used to be just down from Cornmarket St.? Any idea when something might be happening? Seems a pity that it’s just left there. It would make a big difference to the area if a nice development went up! 😉
November 27, 2005 at 3:44 pm #758558lexington
Participant@kite wrote:
What was a puzzle to me, and im sure many others was why nothing was happining development wise on the Custom House Quay site in Cork.
The answer came by way of an article in the IE on Thursday 24th Nov.
According to the IE a company called Ochre Ridge Ltd. has begun a High Court case in Dublin claiming breach of contract in relation to issues regarding CHQ.
Anyone got updates on this?Apologises – I had been spelling the company ‘Oakeridge’ for quite sometime. 😮 Indeed there is a snag here regarding the freehold on the site held by the Port of Cork and the lengthy leasehold of the Cork Bonded Warehouses held by JW Green. Reports last year had said OCP were investigating options on the site – but since that time, I’ve heard nothing. If I ever do, I’ll let you know. It’s a difficult site to do anything with really – the warehousing structures are protected and the cobbled quayside to the south warrants retention. Developable space may be afforded through demolition of the Cork Bonded Warehouses extension to the east and retaining the associated plot of land to the eastern tip. Of course any project at this point will have to quite spectacular – essentially it is one of the first visual recognition points associated with the city. It would provide an excellent ‘central’ waterbus station for the city and I would think the PoC would be anxious to retain docking capabilities for both Anderson’s Quay & CHQ – albeit on a reduced basis for smaller vessels like that of the Jeanie Johnston variety, ‘river-restaurant’ docking services, smaller visiting naval ships etc. Major imagination and the willingness to invest required here.
mhenness – the Kyrl’s Quay site was subject to an Architectural Design Competition won by Conroy Architecture. Some talk about developing the site(s) has been whispered since – however nothing solid that I am aware of…November 28, 2005 at 3:04 pm #758559Anonymous
Inactivelexington wrote:😎 BrideView Developments have been refused planning by ABP for the development of 106 apartment units all within a single building ranging in height between 3 and 5-storeys and destined for location at Monsfieldstown in Rochestown. Though Cork County Council had greenlit the proposal (subject to revisions), and the Planning Inspector with ABP recommended permission – the Board decided to reject the proposal. The site occupies a prominent position, just north of the South Ring Road and to the South East of the Bloomfield Interchange – fronting the Douglas Estuary. Design was by Dublin-based McGrane & Partners.
just wondering what will happen to this site now as i thought this was a very suitable development for the area?November 28, 2005 at 3:28 pm #758560altuistic
Participant@BTH wrote:
Western Red Cedar, European Larch, Iroko, Oak – Teak to a lesser extent – these are the timbers that can and should be left untreated externally. They may look a bit tatty after a couple of years but given a couple more they get the intended silvery grey weathered effect which I think looks fantastic – especially when combined with brick or stone. Varnishing or staining any of these is a huge mistake as it is the varnish that weathers badly and needs constant maintenance – not the timber.
The Ranelagh School, The Timber Building and the Civic Offices in Tullamore are all great examples of well detailed untreated timber. I fully expect that in 5 years time the Glucksman will look just as well.I understand that but the wood finish on those flats i think jungle mentioned in Bishopstown have gone an ugly ugly grey and look quite horrible. Shouldnt the corporation impose conditions on this type of development demanding their up keep? Surely the planners are educated enough to know the various timber types and which will need maintenance and those which will not. I wish i had a photograph to prove the point.
November 28, 2005 at 6:11 pm #758561ewankennedy
ParticipantIs Academy street going to be lodged soon? it was meant to be late summer, then november and now??? I think it was mentioned here before but cant find it.
40 large fashion units isnt it? I assume the like of Zara, Massimo Dutti, Bershka, The Jean scene, Pepe jeans, Esprit, H&m will all be lining up for a city centre presence? Think it was said here before Abercromby and fitch had set up a european company…could Academy street play a blinder and get one of its first European stores??? That would be severly cool. What about Banana republic?November 28, 2005 at 10:43 pm #758562ewankennedy
ParticipantIs it just me or is there a sort of development proposal lull at the moment?? think it was the same last year too and then leading up to Chirstmas there was a flood of applications. Anyone the wiser???? anything worth getting excited about?
November 28, 2005 at 10:47 pm #758563lexington
Participant@ewankennedy wrote:
Is Academy street going to be lodged soon? it was meant to be late summer, then november and now??? I think it was mentioned here before but cant find it.
Scheduled shortly as I understand it.
As for the development lull, it’s a little quiet on the front but there’s enough going on beneath the surface – some which will hopefully surface soon.
I look forward to proposals at Albert Quay – among others.
Wednesday 30th November 2005 = Water Street appeal decision day too.
November 29, 2005 at 1:40 am #758564A-ha
ParticipantFingers and toes will be crossed for that date as usual. Would be great to have another landmark building in the line up for the new year. Can’t wait for Academy Street. 2006 looks to be a promising year.
November 29, 2005 at 4:18 am #758565lexington
Participant🙂 As of November 23rd 2005, the long awaited €47m Renal/Cardiac Facility destined for Cork University Hospital is out to tender. The closing date for tender offers is set for early January 2006 – with construction on the project, designed by UK-practice Watkins Gray Internatinal, set for summer 2006. The 6-storey project will take just over 18 months to complete and will hopefully be operational for mid-2008.
The new facility, to be constructed on the western elevation of the original main CUH building, will provide 120 additional inpatient beds, including coronary care unit, day places, facilities for nursing highly dependent patients, outpatient facilities, treatment, diagnostic and rehabilitation facilities, cardiac catherisation laboratories and a non-invasive cardiology unit. In addition the new renal dialysis unit will provide greatly improved treatment, counselling, training and waiting facilities for both dialysis and CAPD patients.

1st Image: View of the southern elevation – new Maternity Wing can be seen to the right.2nd Image: View of the Western Elevation – and new main public entrance to CUH.
November 29, 2005 at 12:25 pm #758566opus
ParticipantA friend of mine working in the former Southern Health Board (they are not sure what to call it now 🙂 ) told me that if all the plans for CUH work out, it will be the biggest hospital in the country!
November 29, 2005 at 1:15 pm #758567Radioactiveman
ParticipantThere was a good article in yesterday’s Irish Examiner regarding the rising number of vacant or even derelict retail units on St. Patrick Street, Cork. Up to 15, depending who you talk to!
This is something which has been commented on by many contributors to this thread. I know, you can discount some units which are awaiting redevelopment as part of massive ‘shopping-centre’ type developments, but some are also being priced off the market- certainly for smaller, Irish company’s.
As the articel put it, the landlord’s are at risk of killing the goose that laid their golden egg!
The spawning of two “christmas shops” at the western end of the Street is an embarressment to the city and a street which was so highly praised in recent weeks.November 29, 2005 at 1:28 pm #758568lexington
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
There was a good article in yesterday’s Irish Examiner regarding the rising number of vacant or even derelict retail units on St. Patrick Street, Cork. Up to 15, depending who you talk to!
This is something which has been commented on by many contributors to this thread. I know, you can discount some units which are awaiting redevelopment as part of massive ‘shopping-centre’ type developments, but some are also being priced off the market- certainly for smaller, Irish company’s.
As the articel put it, the landlord’s are at risk of killing the goose that laid their golden egg!
The spawning of two “christmas shops” at the western end of the Street is an embarressment to the city and a street which was so highly praised in recent weeks.Indeed I agree that some landlords run the risk of pricing themselves out of the market – rents being paid by Monsoon and Mango are exceptional, for example. However the number ’15’ is misleading – consider the units part of site assemblies at Patrick’s Street/Grand Parade/Oliver Plunkett Street and they as part of the Academy Street development. Also consider units subject to planning like that of Schuh. The Christmas shops, I agree look most distasteful, even from a decorative perspective the look rancid – having said that, the units in question (50 Patrick’s Street etc) are part of a site assembly and in temporary occupancy as a means of utilising the unit rather than vacancy. Still, their presentation is a let down.
3 units the particularly stand to my mind are they at the corner of Patrick Street and Cook Street (former Diesel premises), the former Karen Millen premises beside the Savoy Centre and the former CIE offices near Daunt Square – although I understand the latter is subject to a negotiation. A big problem with Patrick’s Street is the insufficient availability of appropriately sized units (the likes which attract names that can generally justify higher rents) – Academy Street for example will be able to make an opportunity of this issue. Existing units are restrictive in size and overpriced per sq ft. Landlords will have to assess their asking price so that a comfortable return can be made, whilst allowing a greater spectrum of retaillers attain a Patrick’s Street footing – in the long run it will bring greater variety and sustainability.
Take time to consider the reasons why Lush opted for Oliver Plunkett Street – though still a hefty lease, the space associated with their general stores size dictates that sale volumes (and with respect to their product nature) are limited with respect to deriving a justifiable expenditure on rent. Do you think – had the playing field been equal – Lush would have rathered a Patrick’s Street footing as oppose to Oliver Plunkett Street? Most probably – instead the associated rents of Patrick’s Street meant that taking a unit nearby at OPS would allow it reduce its rent while remaining within a relative proximity to the main thoroughfare.
November 29, 2005 at 3:02 pm #758569rebel_city
Participant@ewankennedy wrote:
Is Academy street going to be lodged soon? it was meant to be late summer, then november and now??? I think it was mentioned here before but cant find it.
40 large fashion units isnt it? I assume the like of Zara, Massimo Dutti, Bershka, The Jean scene, Pepe jeans, Esprit, H&m will all be lining up for a city centre presence? Think it was said here before Abercromby and fitch had set up a european company…could Academy street play a blinder and get one of its first European stores??? That would be severly cool. What about Banana republic?RE:Abercrombie&Fitch setting up shop in Ireland. I worked in one of their stores in the states for a summer 2 yrs ago when I was on a J1 visa, and their strategy is focused soley on the USA. They don’t even have stores in Canada, which I would presume is a similiar market. My manage at the time told me that they focus on the States because that’s the market they know best. It’s clear to anyone who know’s the store and its clothes that it would do well here. But chances of them setting up their first European store in Cork are slim so say the least! There was rumours of them setting up in the Dundrum town centre, but it was false.
November 29, 2005 at 4:25 pm #758570lexington
Participant@rebel_city wrote:
RE:Abercrombie&Fitch setting up shop in Ireland. I worked in one of their stores in the states for a summer 2 yrs ago when I was on a J1 visa, and their strategy is focused soley on the USA. They don’t even have stores in Canada, which I would presume is a similiar market. My manage at the time told me that they focus on the States because that’s the market they know best. It’s clear to anyone who know’s the store and its clothes that it would do well here.
A CEO & CFO were appointed to head up the new A&F European Division which was registered in January 2005 and Headquarted in Milan – the intention is to begin a steady European roll-out in the coming future. Ireland was identified early on as a preferential location however it is now likely that the first stores will set up first in the UK, perhaps in a joint intiative involving Jil Sander. A source with Hollister had suggested that up to 5 stores could be opened in Ireland over an undisclosed period, however no news of it has since emerged – although I do know the company are actively assessing their options with regard to the European market.
November 29, 2005 at 5:10 pm #758571lexington
ParticipantThe South Infirmary/Victoria Hospital are formulating expansion plans to the tune of an estimated €45m. The hospital, which enlisted Murray O’Laoire Architects to devise a site strategy on the hospital premises (including development sites purchased from the Irish International Trading Corp fronting South Terrace/Anglesea Street) will seek to expand its facilities over a phased basis, commencing with the development of a €7m BreastCheck Clinic (destined for the IITC site). A planning application is expected to be lodged with CCC over the coming weeks – according to a source with the HSE. Meanwhile, larger scale plans are being worked out – these will include new public wards, a new and enlarged intensive care unit – as well as new operating theatres. A private element is also envisaged with Goodbody Stockbrokers understood to be actively engaging with other private investors about development at the hospital. More details when they arise.
🙂 Cork City Council have reversed the decision to implement 2-way traffic along a stretch of Lancaster Quay/Washington Street West. The decision which sparked major question marks has now been amended to allow one-way traffic flows exiting the city centre resume.November 30, 2005 at 1:41 am #758572Anonymous
Inactive@opus wrote:
A friend of mine working in the former Southern Health Board (they are not sure what to call it now 🙂 ) told me that if all the plans for CUH work out, it will be the biggest hospital in the country!
With perhaps the worst car parking……..just because these buildings are public facilities does not mean that they should be allowed to impact on the surrounding areas like they do due to overflow car parking.
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