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🙁 It seems X-CES Projects will now have to face up to the deliberation of ABP concerning their €200m Golf Resort development – which will include golf resort residencies, a 185-bedroom Hyatt Hotel, 18-hole champion golf-course, equestrian event centre and other associated provisions – designed by Henry J. Lyons & Partners and scheduled to be constructed by Bowen Construction.
😎 Also the subject of appeal, Bernard Crowley & Gerard Paul’s proposal for a 6-storey residential block (originally for 67 apartment units, reduced to 49 following CCC grant) over gym and part-basement car-park on the old Riverdale Farm site near Rossbrook and Eden Student Village along the Model Farm Road. The project is designed by Dennehy + Dennehy.
🙂 Congratulations are due to Cork City Council – The Chambers of Commerce of Ireland (CCI) has named the council as Local Authority of the Year at its second annual CCI Excellence in Local Government Awards, which were presented at a ceremony in Clontarf Castle, Dublin last night (15th November 2005). The Council also won the RTÉ Arts, Culture and Recreation Award for its European Capital of Culture programme and the Waterford Crystal Partnership with Business Award for its Connect Cork initiative.
The Cork Airport website states 3 million, so I’ll accept that figure. However, it doesn’t alter the fact that the airport will exceed it’s designed capacity within a couple of year of opening. Indeed, if the rumours of both Ryanair and Aer Lingus increasing their presence at Cork Airport next year are true, 2006 could even be the year that it happens.
As regards the old terminal. I understand that an environmental impact assessment was not required for the new terminal because the old one was closing. If the old one were to be reopened, a full environmental impact assessment would be required.
Incidentally, I can’t imagine that Ryanair will operate the old terminal. They have a simple business plan that they operate effectively. Running a terminal is not part of that plan. I could imagine it being operated by someone other than CAA for Ryanair (or more likely LoCos in general), but just not Ryanair.
Great stuff with the airport pics Bosco..what exactly is the Cetral Utilities Building for?It seems separate from the Multi-Storey carpark..was the covered connection between the new terminal and the new car park also dropped in the DAA’s frantic last minute cost cutting?It would be a shame not to go to and from your car to the plane without getting soaked as you do right now!! 😮
‘Cork in midst of one of the most exciting phases of its history’
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A city constrained by a Frank McDonald credo would be ‘dismal and prissy’ says property developer Owen O’Callaghan, responding to a feature by him in last week’s Property
“Can new development in Cork city be so devoid of architectural merit as to receive not a single star from Frank McDonald? (Property supplement, November 10th)
By my reckoning, not one recent commercial development is deemed worthy of favourable comment from him. Even for Mr McDonald, this must constitute a record. There is a rich irony that his comments appear under a heading “Little to show for year as European Capital of Culture”.
That particular designation, hard won by Cork City Council, reflected not only the city’s cultural claims but also the council’s rigorous attention to detail.
In organising the EU adjudicators’ itinerary, the council – for very good reason – kept the panel of adjudicators far away from the areas of dereliction where now stand many of the buildings at the receiving end of McDonald’s baleful stare.
Of course, new developments which end dereliction do not automatically deserve praise but most Corkonians welcome the quantum difference that has occurred in that context.
It is difficult to follow Mr McDonald’s criteria for judgement.
For example, the Glucksman Gallery has deservedly received paeans of praise over a period.
This month, the gallery received a special Department of Environment, Heritage and Local Government award in Dublin Castle, as best public space in Ireland.
The same panel voted St Patrick’s Street, the Beth Gali-designed streetscape, the best in the country for the second year running.
Mahon Point, excoriated by Mr McDonald, was voted the best shopping centre in Ireland by the same panel, on the basis of a range of criteria, including urban design. (Incidentally, Liffey Valley which presumably he doesn’t like either, was not designed by Project Architects, as he says, but by one of the top UK architectural firms, Lyons Sleeman Hoare).
Mr McDonald “excuses” O’Callaghan Properties development in Merchants Quay, built at the height of the city’s 1980s recession and generally accepted as providing the catalyst for city centre development, on the basis it was “of its time”.
What arrogance and by the way, what can anything be but “of its time”?
He reserves particular bile for our development at 21, Lavitts Quay, which recently won the “Best New Cork Building Award” from a panel representative of architectural and town planning expertise, to neither of which can Mr McDonald lay claim.
The building was nominated for a Department of Environment, Heritage and Local Government award, as best public space and, incidentally, was considered flexible and attractive enough to be used by Cork 2005 for a number of its major city centre events during the year.
He goes on. Howard Holdings’ acclaimed City Quarter development fails to stand muster. Neither does O’Flynn Construction’s bold new building at Lapps Quay find favour – nor does much else.
Mr McDonald believes quayside development in Cork should have sharp edges. Those who go a different route are guilty of “mistakes”.
On what basis? Heaven preserve us from such a formulaic mindset.
There is a wonderful energy and confidence about Cork at present. The diversity of building design makes a notable contribution to that feeling.
How awful it would be to live in a city constrained by a Frank McDonald credo which would shout “sharp edges only on the quays”; “curved rounded finish allowed off quay”; “heights limited to two/three-storey in city centre”. What a dismal and prissy prospect.
Deep down, I suspect Mr McDonald is uneasy about commercial and business development, preferring it wouldn’t take place at all.
In recent years, Cork has emerged from being a city where nothing happened to one in which there has been an unprecedented level of development and economic prosperity.
The city’s previous atrophied state largely arose from Frank McDonald-type “values” being forced on a city that was full of dereliction and wasted promise.
Now, the Cork metropolitan area is on the cusp of tremendous opportunity.
The Cork Area Strategic Plan, the National Spatial Strategy and the Docklands Re-development Project provide parameters for development that will yield much for Cork and its people.
Perhaps Mr McDonald’s real difficulty is that Cork is in the midst of one of the most exciting development phases in its history. Its pace of development, the organisation of its infrastructure, the management of its traffic, contrasts sharply with Dublin.
That the city has done all this without showing the deference the capital and its incestuous media have shown to Mr McDonald must, I suppose, be a sore point.
There is a thin line between offering an opinion and pontificating and he has long since crossed that line.
My hope is that developers and those local, national and international architects criticised by Mr McDonald will do the right thing – simply ignore him and get on with the valuable and creative work in which they are engaged.”
Owen O’Callaghan is managing director, O’Callaghan Properties
Irish Times 2005
😀lexington wrote:🙁 It seems X-CES Projects will now have to face up to the deliberation of ABP concerning their €200m Golf Resort development – which will include golf resort residencies, a 185-bedroom Hyatt Hotel, 18-hole champion golf-course, equestrian event centre and other associated provisions – designed by Henry J. Lyons & Partners and scheduled to be constructed by Bowen Construction.😎 I heard from the horses mouth that X-CES are very confident of getting a positive result from ABP but have major concerns with the construction costs especially the infrastructural element.It is probably going to be reduced and phased to suit a smaller budget.
Sorry I’m late in posting this – quite the busy one lately, but here are some interesting statistics for your attention.
November 16th 2005* Zone A rents in Patrick Street, the prime city area, have increased by up to 120% over the five-year survey period.
* Fashion uses continue to dominate all areas within the city, particularly Patrick Street, where they account for 44% of all units.
* Pedestrian flows on Patrick Street, measured at both Penneys and Evans, were significantly higher than at the time of the last survey.
* Increase in the number of service units
* Increase in ladieswear units
* Increase in menswear units
* Increase in ‘Jewellery’ units
There have been some major changes in Cork during the period of the study. The Mahon Point and Ballincollig Shopping Centres opened, Wilton Shopping Centre was sold, the first purpose built retail warehousing units were built in Cork at Blackpool, Mahon and Eastgate. Another landmark was the opening of park and ride facilities and the Ballincollig by-pass and the emergence of discount retailers Aldi and Lidl.
Rents now range from:
Patrick Street €3,750 per sq.m. Zone A
Oliver Plunkett Street €1,600 – €3,200 per sq.m. Zone A
Castle Street, Paul Street, French Church Street, Academy Street, Marlboro Street, Cook Street, Oliver Plunkett Street west of Princes Street junction and north of Caroline Street junction €1,100 – €1,600 per sq.m. Zone A
North Main Street, Maylor Street €650 – €1,100 per sq.m Zone A
Paul Hannon, senior retail negotiator in Lisney’s Cork office stated: “The Lisney Retail Use Survey has highlighted the extreme increase in rents in prime areas of the city, where Patrick Street in particular has shown increases of up to 120%.
Irish Independent
does cork county hall have more floor space compared to liberty hall?
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‘Cork in midst of one of the most exciting phases of its history’
Hear, Hear.
Work on the “Webworks” building on Albert Quay is continuing apace. It will provide c 4650 sqr m of office facilities for technology companies and is being developed by CCC and Enterprise Ireland. Here are two recent construction images.
In relation to the recent decision by ABP to grant permission for Frinailla’s Lady’s Well development, it is interesting to read the reports of ABP inspector (David Dunne) which very strongly reccomended refusal for both parts of the development. In the end, the Board decided against these reports on the advice of Cork City Council Director of Services.ABP Report Lady’s Well Part 1
ABP Report Lady’s Well Part 2
Finally, it looks as if CCC have finally gotten around to cleaning the quay walls in the city centre- a job which has needed tackling for years. Workers are on site on Pope’s Quay, adjacent to North Gate Bridge. The small piece they’ve already completed looks great- all shiny and new 🙂Thanks for those images RM, very nice – indeed John Paul Construction have made great progress on the project. A further 123sq m of additional floorspace is currently in planning. It should be a great asset to the city.
Indeed you are right that Enterprise Ireland are involved, although they will lease space to designated businesses on an ‘incubation’ basis. It is designed to give prospective enterprise quality premises and help aid their development with a specific view to IT/Tech industry but with Financial sector firms also involved. The project itself is actually being developed by Howard Holdings on EI’s behalf (so to speak). 😮
Completed development photomontages are available here.
The addition of Eglinton Street to the rear, a prospective proposals to the east of the quay will bring a real sense of continuity and ‘cosmopolitan’ air to this cleverly rejuvenated quarter.
Also with respect to David Dunne’s report, he is also the inspector behind Water Street’s appeal – given the epic nature of this project’s planning run, I’ll be very curious to see what he has to say about the development come decision day – which is scheduled for November 24th 2005 (this day week), but as we all know, the exact date may not be met.@Radioactiveman wrote:
Finally, it looks as if CCC have finally gotten around to cleaning the quay walls in the city centre- a job which has needed tackling for years. Workers are on site on Pope’s Quay, adjacent to North Gate Bridge. The small piece they’ve already completed looks great- all shiny and new 🙂
And while they’re at it, could they remove the horrible orange paint they’ve put near the ladders. If anyone other than the city council had done it, it would have been criticised as an act of vandalism.
I know it’s supposed to be some kind of safety measure, but there are a few things I have to ask
- How many other cities have felt the need to do this? I’ve never seen it anywhere else
- How many lives have been saved by it?
- Wouldn’t it have been better to paint the ladders rather than the quay walls?
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And while they’re at it, could they remove the horrible orange paint they’ve put near the ladders. If anyone other than the city council had done it, it would have been criticised as an act of vandalism.
It is supposed to be a safety measure and makes perfect sense. When on the river itself, whether in a boat or swimming, it was impossible to make out the ladders against a dark limestone wall. Painting the ladder would not have been sufficient.
Its a good idea and was implemented well and should save lives.🙁 An appeal has been lodged against Frinailla’s plans to develop a 6-storey, 25-unit apartment development (not intended for student usage) over 42-space dual-level basement car-park designed by Richard Rainey & Associates for the former Plumbing Utilities store along Victoria Cross Road. The revised plan was permitted planning at the beginning of this month. The appeal has been lodged by Mick Murphy with the Communities for Sustainable Development anti “high-rise” lobby group. Frinailla already have existing planning on the site, from its previous owner, for a student development – and the option remains open for them to embark on this less aesthetically pleasing proposal – should any appeal prove unsuccessful. In a sense, the appeal is leaving the local residents open to a less favourable option. Could the appeal money have been put to better use?
😮 Next Wednesday remains the scheduled planning decision date for Michael Bradley’s proposal along Sheare’s Street, designed by Magee Creedon. The small but prominent proposal seeks to redevelop the very small single-storey former take-away premises at 44 Sheare’s Street and construct a 4-storey over basement building including retail provision at basement and ground floors, office space on the 1st floor and a duplex apartment unit for 1-bedroom with roof-terrace over the 2 further levels. The design is imaginative and will certainly give something for people to talk about should it receive permission.
😮 John Cleary Developments are also scheduled for a decision date next week, on Thursday 24th November 2005, regarding their Coughlan de Keyser designed office and retail development on the former Sifco premises at Mahon. To be built to the rear of the proposed MotorMall, the development consists of over 113,000sq ft of office space over 4 levels and in excess of 20,000sq ft of retail showrooms over 4 ground floor units, all above 2 levels of basement car-parking for 301 spaces. No objections or submission were lodged against the proposal.Any idea when Ruden homes of Carrigaline are to commence construction of their new development at Leghanamore? They got planning during the summer. Any news on a start date or what estate agent will be marketing the development?
lexington wrote:🙁 An appeal has been lodged against Frinailla’s plans to develop a 6-storey, 25-unit apartment development (not intended for student usage) over 42-space dual-level basement car-park designed by Richard Rainey & Associates for the former Plumbing Utilities store along Victoria Cross Road. The revised plan was permitted planning at the beginning of this month. The appeal has been lodged by Mick Murphy with the Communities for Sustainable Development anti “high-rise” lobby group. Frinailla already have existing planning on the site, from its previous owner, for a student development – and the option remains open for them to embark on this less aesthetically pleasing proposal – should any appeal prove unsuccessful. In a sense, the appeal is leaving the local residents open to a less favourable option. Could the appeal money have been put to better use?
Yep, and according to CCC website Mick Murphy and CSD have lodged an objection to the Carmelite Place 4, YES “four” storey proposed development…these people are becoming a REAL pain in the A**🙂 Marlboro Trust (Retail) Limited are seeking permission to develop a single storey discount foodstore on a 5.46acre site off the Old Youghal Road in Mayfield. The split roof design seems to hark at similar styles adopted by the likes of Aldi and Lidl…hmmm 😉 – the store will be provided over 1565sq m with 1075sq m of that applied for actual retail sales. 106 surface parking spaces are to be provided, along with 84 further spaces associated with an extension to the existing wholesale retail structure on the site – this latter provision also being made as part of the overall application.
🙂 Triple D Warehousing have enlisted James Leahy & Associates to design a new scheme of 21 apartment units (9 2-bedroom and 12 1-bedroom) in a single 3-storey building over basement car-park. Their soon to be lodged application applies to their Longs Yard premises along Tower Street, near Barrack Street.
🙂 Meanwhile Jeremiah O’Sullivan will seek to demolish the former Trident Safety premises at 16 Anglesea Street and redevelop a new 4-storey office building with ground-floor retail. The proposal lands within the boundaries of Cork’s emerging, extended office district.kite – no need to get all fussed up, although I entirely appreciate your frustration. What’s disappointing for me is the group’s lack of reasonable foresight. The group includes some very well educated and decent people with backgrounds like medicine, engineering, teaching etc among others – however, when it comes to the issue of development, their belief-structure is anything but ‘sustainable’ contrary to their title. It’s a pity that they misconceive the fundamentals – they cannot seem to reason beyond what they merely believe to be ‘developer’ greed and condemn/villify those that conflict to their logic – often forgetting and thus undermining the qualification and character of those professionally trained and operative within the fields of planning, design, development, finance and economics etc including the likes of Cork City Council. I don’t want to go down this whole road again, but at the end of the day, it’s their money that is being misdirected – think of all the good their fundraising efforts could do in satisfying the provision of say, playgrounds, maintaining greenspaces, setting up their own community facilities, entering constructive negotiation with developers (rather than confrontational efforts) to benefit their local area – something the members are more that capable of doing. With all that money funding appeals and objections – I feel their actions could be more constructively utilised, and if they ever choose to to work for a constructive rather than destructive outcome, you be well sure their wishes for community provision, better green areas, better traffic management etc etc would be a lot more swiftly adhered to. People only listen to someone giving out to them for so long, there comes a point when they just get fed up and leave the room. A response is much more likely to materialise where reason is shown. Oh well. :rolleyes:
I used to live on sheare’s street so i know that takeaway that is being redeveloped. No objections here. Remember when those Share houses for the elderly were considered cutting edge in the 80’s.? I supposse they’ve aged well enough and respect the urban grain of the area.
I lived in the restored Fenns Quay that won praise from all quarters. One thing always annoyed me was the complete lack of sound prroofing in that scheme. Someone could sneeze on the ground floor and you’d hear it 2 floors up. They paid so much attention to conservation but not enough to solutions like a bit of sond insulation in the floor boards. We’d no carpets or curtains that woul’ve helped. Double glazing wasn’t an option but the sash windows were’nt very well made. Still, it was a good place to live very central anyway!
😮 Mary Leland in todays (19th) property section of the IE re. the Blackrock area plan states that…
(The maximum recommended height of 3 storeys, however is still too TALL for for the village setting..)
Can we now expect another vote by city councillors to impose a height cap of 2 storeys?@kite wrote:
😮 Mary Leland in todays (19th) property section of the IE re. the Blackrock area plan states that…
(The maximum recommended height of 3 storeys, however is still too TALL for for the village setting..)
Can we now expect another vote by city councillors to impose a height cap of 2 storeys?I’ve never heard anything but whinging from Mary Leland anyway, can we ever hope to expect anything else? Dont think so my friend. :rolleyes:
😡 Councillors bowing to pressure from CSD to impose a 3 storey height cap on housing….
Cork airport to have ONLY ONE airbridge (Evening Echo today) just what is going on in Cork?@kite wrote:
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Cork airport to have ONLY ONE airbridge (Evening Echo today)Indeed the announcement that only 1 airbridge is to be provided in the interm is something of a disappointment, and somewhat conflicts with promises made earlier this year by both the DoT and CAA. 🙁
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