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Below are some images of the proposed development (a comparison between the resultant design consequent of Further Information and the original design) by Oyster Developments for Deane Street, a stone’s throw away from CityQuarter, Numbers 5 & 6 Lapps Quay and across the street from the proposal by DAT Partnerships for a unique 9-storey office development named CentrePoint. The Deane Street project is designed by The e-Project.
The revised design features a reduced floor-area at upper levels and the removal of the canopy feature. Furthermore, elevational treatments have been adjusted – the northern facade will now comprise of a ‘plastered’ finish rather than the original variant brick finish.
An Taisce have criticised the design saying, unlike its neighbour proposed for CentrePoint which maintains a number of redeeming architectural features, the Oyster Developments proposal is utterly devoid of any and makes an abrupt, faceless addition to an attractive emerging office district.
A decision is due for 14th December 2005.
*UPDATES*😉 @lexington wrote:
🙂 Lidl have acquired a site along the Ballyhooly Road in Ballyvolane for which they intend to develop a discount food store (and possibly additional retail units) – no application has been made yet, so the specifics are not yet clear. It seems Dunnes Stores is still not safe even despite outbidding the Germal retaillers for a 1.9 acre site near its Ballyvolane S.C.
As posted last April in the LADSOCL thread, the site acquisition by Lidl GmbH has now born an application for planning with CorkCoCo. Lidl intend to construct a new discount foodstore along the Ballyhooly Road near Ballyvolane. The store will measure 1659sq m, permission is further sought for a seperate single storey retail building of some 936sq m and a 2-storey neighbourhood building of 1550sq m all on a former garage premises.
🙂 Managing Director of DTZ Sherry FitzGerald, Fintan Tierney, has highlighted Cork city as offering one of Ireland’s best property investment locations for 2006. His sentiments are echoed by a local economist who noted that 2005 has been a productive year but will be to 2006 what 2003 was to 2004 (??? :p ) – a build up year. He expects an increase in notable development activity or applications lodged for the forthcoming year. Though some voices hark disappointment that Cork’s reign as European Capital of Culture did not draw in the hoped for level of international investment, the economist has remarked that it is too early yet to account the effects of Cork2005. From my own point of view, I think Cork should now start getting pretty serious at pitching itself international as an attractive centre for business and investment – independent of State intiatives. A major drive should be put into gear.Why is it that new buildings are never built in the style of places like Brown Thomas or Roches. They are extraordinarily beautiful buildings and instead of building timber cladded buildings with aluminium and plastic features….. wouldn’t it be nice to see more of those works of art built in the city centre where they would fit in more and give a boulevardian feel to the city.
@A-ha wrote:
Why is it that new buildings are never built in the style of places like Brown Thomas or Roches. They are extraordinarily beautiful buildings and instead of building timber cladded buildings with aluminium and plastic features….. wouldn’t it be nice to see more of those works of art built in the city centre where they would fit in more and give a boulevardian feel to the city.
🙁 Why?….GREED may have a lot to do with the rubbish we have to contend with in Cork. (MQ?)
@A-ha wrote:
Why is it that new buildings are never built in the style of places like Brown Thomas or Roches. They are extraordinarily beautiful buildings and instead of building timber cladded buildings with aluminium and plastic features….. wouldn’t it be nice to see more of those works of art built in the city centre where they would fit in more and give a boulevardian feel to the city.
Apparently it’s old hat and we’re suppose to have moved on…shame really because I still have a hankering for a decent bit of “modernista”. 😀
Then again, if modern spins on old style amounts to this…
…looks good right?
The Marshes Shopping Centre, Dundalk 2005…pity its just a mask over a box… 🙁
Again The Marshes(I’m robbing these images from Graham Hickey – they are his Copyright and can be found on the “Dundalk” thread.)
One or two additions here or there wouldn’t go astray, but I wouldn’t like to see a blanket revival of such styles. Modernity needs its chance to evolve as well.
The first image there may look nice superficially and it’s clear that some effort went into getting proportions and detailing right… But then they go and let themselves down with cheapo PVC windows with glazing bars behind the glass… Plus not sure what the style has to do with an Irish provincial town – it really does look like a town hall or courthouse in some U.S. backwater…
Picture 2 really does speak for itself!!Yes, that’s it – I’m definitely getting an American mock-Georgian feeling from this … not what we want to be doing at all at all…
Mock-Georgian is rampant in the U.S.lexington, re Oyster’s Parnell Place proposal – which of those images relate to the revised proposals? i saw the original ‘tower’ proposed – and it looked nothing like these – much better in fact
re: marsh’s in dundalk – i suppose it is a bit sad really – i don’t understand the philosophy behind designing a shopping centre along these lines – i thought that themed shopping centres were so 1990’s – no? or do the punters simply just want this – personally i think it’s a horrible concept – in saying that however, the proportions are good and the space outside is attractive – however after all that effort they are quite content with white uPVC and badly placed rainwater goods.
@bunch wrote:
lexington, re Oyster’s Parnell Place proposal – which of those images relate to the revised proposals? i saw the original ‘tower’ proposed – and it looked nothing like these – much better in fact
Sorry, the 1st image on either row = the Revised Proposal. The 2nd image on either row = the original proposal.
The ‘tower’ your thinking of, are you sure it’s not CentrePoint? The 9-storey office building proposed for the small triangular site directly across Deane Street from this proposal? That building is designed by Daniel Luxton with Coughlan de Keyser and a revised proposal is expected soon in response to Further Information.
Water Street Decision Pushed Back again!@browser wrote:
This decision was to be made yesterday I think. Any news?
I now believe that the decision has been pushed back until 10th March 2006!!! 😮
@lexington wrote:
Water Street Decision Pushed Back again!
I now believe that the decision has been pushed back until 10th March 2006!!! 😮
It’s ridiculous that we have to wait until the day on which the decision is due to be announced before ABP goes public with these types of delay. Are we to imagine that they were up in Marlborough St. yesterday afternoon and they were nearly finished…nearly had it all wrapped up ….just a few more minutes …..no, in fact I dont have it, it’ll be another four months!!! 😡
Surprisingly, there’s no PVC in the Marshes – double-glazed timber everywhere.
PVC is only permitted in historic buildings in Dundalk, and is actively encouraged in conservation areas.March 2006…… you have got to be kidding me! What a pack of wasters those people are for delaying the project. It’s so fu*king stupid… it just really annoys me and I’m sure I’m not the only person. Oh by the way… American Town Hall/Court House hit the nail on the head, but at least they had they right idea in mind, even if it did turn out wrong. I also notice that Ryanair have launched four new routes from Shannon to Manchester, Wroclaw, Rome and Murcia, but will end operating the Hamburg and Stockholm service as they are not proving to be profit making for the airline.
@A-ha wrote:
March 2006…… you have got to be kidding me! What a pack of wasters those people are for delaying the project. It’s so fu*king stupid
Lol … what if the whole thing gets turned down altogether? … And there are feelings abroad that the architecture does not quite strike the right note for its setting.
@A-ha wrote:
March 2006…… you have got to be kidding me! What a pack of wasters those people are for delaying the project. It’s so fu*king stupid… it just really annoys me and I’m sure I’m not the only person.
I’m sure it’s a decision that will frustrate some people but I’d rather it delayed and be granted than now decided and refused. 😮
🙂 Sean Keohane’s Grangefield Developments are to lodge plans in conjunction with the Cork Boat Club for 119 apartments units over basement car-parking for 121 vehicles. The building will range between 3 and 5-storeys and is to be located on a 1.3 hectare site at Blackrock Harbour and on the premises of the Cork Boat Club which will be demolished allowing for the provision of a new club complex and floating pontoon, as part of the larger development. Also as part of the development, a new public boardwalk is to be provided and a 3-storey office building of 113sq m. Of the 119 apartments there will be 18 x 1-bedroom, 95 x 2-bedroom and 6 x 3-bedroom units – with balcones and roof-garden areas. The proposal will also seek to reclaim 1,954sq m of public foreshore. James Leahy & Associates are behind the design.
@lexington wrote:
:rolleyes: How long has this thing been going on??? 😮 Finally, the Cork School of Music (CSM) designed by architects Murray O’Laoire, looks set to roll. Originally, the 110,000sq ft + project was proposed back in 1999 and has since suffered a number of severe setbacks from planning to funding to contractual misendeavours. Jarvis had originally been appointed to the PPP educational project – at one point in 2004, movement looked set when Jarvis signed a contract with John Sisk & Sons Construction to build the project on their behalf, however, when Jarvis ran into financial difficulties, its PPP wing was sold to German-firm Hochtief. The Dept. of Education has since been in negotiations with the firm about commencing work on the belated building – now, an agreement would seem to have been reached. If all goes well, a construction date is set for sometime in September of this year with an 18 month build-period. The project should be functional and open to the college’s 3,000+ music students in time for the 2007 semester.
This indeed, is another positive development (following yesterday’s announcement regarding Eglinton Street) in Cork’s architectural and educational wilderness. It is believed Sisk Construction will still remain appointed to the contract.
Any opinions on its design?
the design of the school of music looks good…..however…. it would have taken more talent to integrate the previous school building which was an incredible and rare structure from the post war period in cork. shame on all involved in this destruction. no argument can justify this level of disregard for the work of others and the sustainabiliyy of maintaining an existing high quality building in use. we say lay your egos off our environment. some humility and respect was called for here. you missed your chance. we can only hope that this new building may be finished to a high quality and not full of unresolved finishes that wont last half as well as its now destroyed predecessor.
Are people just afraid to admit the new school of music looks crap? I just hope it turns out to be more appealing in the flesh
@phatman wrote:
Are people just afraid to admit the new school of music looks crap? I just hope it turns out to be more appealing in the flesh
😮 Guilty as accused….i thought this was a good idea at the time ?
@republicofcork wrote:
It looks overscaled – does this image represent the plan as finally approved? – another blow for Cork’s quayside.
Well said republicofcork – there was a strong case for reusing the ‘50s building, and as far I remember there were 3rd party submissions to this effect at the time. And well done for going against shameless developer parade that tends to dominate some Cork threads.
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