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@ewankennedy wrote:
Oh? Any more details?? What paper and whats it about?
:confused: I dont know how much truth is in the story but what i was told by the reporter was that Lex had a disagreement with the other 3 regarding some of the content on this thread. The dropping of the word Architecture from the thread title had something to do with the “barny” as well.
The reason i have any doubts about the above is that the Webmaster never posted any details on the matter, and CSD make no mention of any disagreement with Lex or Archiseek on their website.
The same reporter said that Lex may be moving to a new job this month, this may explain why he dropped off this thread..but why post on another forum??@iloveCORK2 wrote:
Lads and ladies… what is happening with this thread… It’s falling away to nothing.. 🙁
Has any1 checked out the new site Lexington is calling his own… :confused:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=50688669#post50688669
And the last time he posted a message was two days ago, so he is obviously ok and alive, but not supporting this thread anymore. 😮
Lets all move to boards.ie 😀
Must say though it’s a lot harder to navigate around the site compared to archiseek… 😮
🙁 A source in the local newspaper told me at lunchtime today that the reason Lex may have dropped off this thread may be due to a 4 way dispute between a Government Dept.,the CSD,the Webmaster, and himself.
As for moving to the boards.ie site, judge for yourselfs..i find it contains yesterdays news and is very amateurish compared to Archiseek.
Any chance you will come back Lex?? its not the same without you.@anto wrote:
Did Lex have a falling out here? What’s the story? This was His thread!
:confused: Don’t know but he is badly missed. The way this thread is going one would get more up to date info in a history book.
@Saucy Jack wrote:
Very strange that Lex is’nt about these days – Skiing I hope !
:confused: I think Lex may have moved many of his GREAT posts to….http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054862371&page=2
@POM wrote:
Oh be careful there kite, we dont want the Irish Examiner accusing us of ‘prompting’ more rumours i.e. last Thursday.
😉 Point taken, would not want the messengers shot…
@d_d_dallas wrote:
Here’s the extension as it appears at the moment (apologies for image quality).
And an image of the STW “designed” webworks on other side (most. boring. building. ever.)
😮 A case of maximizing the profit margin no matter what cost to the city??
@ewankennedy wrote:
Though I don’t think there should be high rise everywhere there def should be some more of a higher density along the south docklands at least. There should be at least one or 2 defining structures (ya know like 20 storeys or something) which DO act as proper landmarks and are not just tall for the sake of tall. As for Cork’s track record so far i think Eglinton street and Water street stand out as the best, the other designs have little to no flair about them at all and seem to me more like flashier Ballymuns. I think the high rise, in Cork, should not be balcony ridden tower blocks, they should be smooth tall and narrow structures which maybe internalise their balconies like Eglinton street. Balconies sort of make high rises look like holiday apartment blocks and i havent seen many blocks like that which i’m fond of!!
😎 Absolutely right. The docklands would make a great mini Manhatten if some design thought was put into it. If the city council allow owners/developers to build in a haphazard manner and then try to figure out how to make all “the dots” join up Cork could indeed end up with a flashy Ballymun.
I would also agree that CCC have to be careful where they allow high rise buildings, allowing the likes of Victoria mills to be built gives people bullits to fire every time a high rise building is proposed.
Somebody should be held accountable for that VM fiasco.@POM wrote:
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As for the RTE programme, what a preposterous scenario. More doolally.
🙁 I agree, but some are saying that “doolally” was the cause of a senior member of the city planning team being removed “fired” from his job in the past few weeks…What damage will more DOOLALLY do if left unchecked?
A city councilor informed me that RTE were interviewing members in the City Hall last week on planning issues in Cork.
RTE it seems are researching planning in Cork at the behest of the CSD after visiting their website at http://www.corksouthwest.com and hearing of the building height cap vote passed by city councilors some weeks ago.
Might be no harm to e mail RTE at http://www.rte.ie and let them know that there is more than the CSD that have an opinion on planning in the city?@lexington wrote:
As you can imagine Maskhadov, the relocation process involved is an extensive one. Effectively, the transfer of many port activities to the Port of Cork lands at Ringaskiddy is a phase by phase process with an estimated cost of €200m. Most likely, and perhaps within the coming months – subject to discussion outcomes – the PoC will seize it’s limited operations along Horgan’s Quay on the northern docklands. This would clear the way for a €500m phased development along the 17-acre lands at Horgan’s Quay (controlled by CIE but which was passed onto to Manor Park Homebuilders for redevelopment purposes). The first application for this redevelopment is expected this year – in the project’s entirety, up to and possibly over 1,000 new high density homes are to built, a major commercial/retail core, redeveloped Kent Station for CIE with new Bus Station and reoriented terminal to face the waterside, 2 new plazas, a new National Route and 400metre boardwalk running the length of the quay – O’Mahony Pike Architects are working on this project. There is talk and work looking into an Event Centre element also, but that outcome remains to be seen. Further east along the northern quays, Werdna Ltd are still in appeal for 304 residential units with a 17-storey feature tower, new riverside promenade, commercial facilities, 30,000sq ft of business & technology space, 400+ basement car-parking etc all at a site off Water Street – designed by Murray O’Laoire. Water Street is also the subject of a new bridge to be facilitated by Cork City Council. To the west of Horgan’s Quay, various projects are in the pipeline. Along the southern docklands, progress is on-going behind the scenes – at the same time, a South Docklands Area Plan is under formation. For the time being, The Beverly Smyth Group have planning in for 104 residential units over a series of blocks, 30,000sq ft of Business & Technology uses and the like, McCarthy Developments have an 8-storey office building of 100,000sq ft designed by Murray O’Laoire ready-to-go and which had been in contention for the new Revenue Commissioners home in Cork. McCarthy Developments may also have other plans – as do Howard Holdings, whose recent €25m + purchase of the 11-acre Ford site issues another solid step in the company’s ambitions to redevelop a significant quarter of the Cork Docklands region in a project estimated at €500m+, the company are also in discussion to acquire a nearby 10-acre waterfront site owned by Tedcastles Holdings. Quiet discussions are on-going about 2 other significant waterfront sites (1 of which will probably relocate too) in the south docklands which I hope can be commented on later – also a further office development is being pitched for an acre site along Monahan’s Road, sometime in the New Year.
All in all, workings are being issued, and the Cork Docklands has a long way to go – effectively, it is the creation of a new city and for its full realisation, will require many more years ahead.
😡 You are spot on with your assertion that we have many more years to go before we see progress in the Docklands, see an article from the Irish Independent 2002, YES 2002.
ps. any updates on the outcome of the High Court case re:Custom House Quay?Southern capital shows 3pc decline (Irish Independent)
Thursday July 25th 2002
THE population of Cork city will dramatically increase over the next few years when projects such as the docklands development come on stream, according to city manager Joe Gavin.
Speaking after the publication of the preliminary census report, which showed Cork city had registered a 3pc decline in population, Mr Gavin said measures are being put in place to entice people back to the urban quarter.
“We are actively encouraging developers to build comfortable town-houses and are constantly improving the public realm in an effort to reduce the decline in the city. The docklands development, for example, will make the urban environment more enticing.”
The €254m development, close to the city centre, is set to create 6,000 new homes, including high-density apartments and office and retail space as well as culture and leisure facilities.
Mr Gavin said first-time buyers will be drawn back to the city following the creation of a number of parks and a new marina.GORGIAN MONSTERS GOBBLING UP THE GREEN
LAST weekend I went on a long drive, from Baltimore on the south coast of Cork, to Clifden in County Galway (to speak at the Clifden Arts Festival) and then across the country to Dublin to meet some old friends from Tyrone who had come down to support the greatest Gaelic football team of all time.
But in many ways it turned into an autopsy of the corpse of rural Ireland – a long, vertical, curving incision up the abdomen of the south, followed by a fairly straight slash across the chest of the country – that laid bare the destruction of the last of the Irish landscape by developers and builders.
As I drove through this landscape of what Galbraith called “private wealth and public squalor”, I had a chance to ponder how the physical destruction of Ireland might soon be followed by its political and moral subversion.
In short, I was thinking about the implications of the impending IRA decommissioning and how it might assist the Raffia’s strategy for subverting Irish Republic, and turning it into what Fiona O’Malley memorably calls “Sicily without the sun”.
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BECAUSE I never take foreign holidays, because I spent most of my 25 years in RTE roaming rural Ireland with reporters like Brendan O hEither, because I am now based in Baltimore, and spend much of my time travelling through what we wrongly call rural Ireland, I think I have a more complete picture of the country than most planners who only know their own patch.
And after that visual audit all I can say, to borrow from Conrad, is “the horror, the horror”.
From Cork to Galway, from Galway to Dublin, the new Irish bourgeoisie flaunts its new-found wealth by turning farm and field into a stupendous, shoddy, sprawling suburbia studded with vast villas and brutalist bungalows and what I can only call Gorgian houses. Where wealth often refines, here it seems to retard. The new Celtic class has all the arrogance of the old Anglo-Irish with none of its visual taste.
Full article: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=45&si=1480407&issue_id=13085[/QUOTE]
If Mr.H feels like that he should stick to a flat in Ballymun or wherever rather than clogging the roads from West Cork to Dublin in his SUV…or maybe he lives like he preaches and rides the “boreens” on a pushbike?
What a self pontificating prat.By T. Barker IE 31-12-05.. Fleming Construction ventured to Dublin and spent €165 million on an eight-acre site at Sandyford, and in Cork they forged ahead at Fota, with a new hotel nearly built and holiday homes in the wooded estate grounds. For good measure, they splashed out €18 million on amenity land by Bishopstown, which will prove a shrewd buy and can help them re-locate city sports clubs from prime urban site. They will lodge for planning for the Nemo Rangers site in Douglas any day now, for high-end housing.
Bishopstown GAA (Jerry Buttimer, P.M. Vic M) and Highfield RFC to re-locate to the sticks ??, 2006 will indeed be an interesting year….
@garret wrote:
What ever happened to the event/conference centre that was supposed to be built as the sweetner for Mahon Point???
😮 My understanding of that is .. the GP councilor withdrew his objection to ABP with assurances that the event/conference centre would be built with all the traffic problems solved as well…. BUT ???
@snoopdog wrote:
Hey everyone, sorry to change subjects but does anyone know what Mark Kelleher’s plan for bishopstown are? We have heard there was a new appeal for more apartments and town houses but i thought he was getting ready to build! His name + nice words aren’t exactly going together around here at the moment.By now, I think most people here are annoyed at the fact that he keeps coming back rather than actually objecting to what he’s doing, they’ve accepted that.I mean how many times is this?
😮 I feel than nobody knows what his plans are right now. He has so many applications in at the moment he must be confused himself.
Speaking to some people that live in the area over the Christmas the local councilors should be thanking their lucky stars that they have 4 years to go before asking for votes out there again!!
Cobbled stonework on Custom House Quay (first image) and Anderson’s Quay (second image).The value of the land (est’d at between €6.75m and €8.5m – which is quite reasonable given the site constraints) would perhaps dictate a taller structure. The problem here is that any taller structure would have to be of some pretty amazing design to justify its provision. The site prominence and relationship to PS all come into play here. Often the first viewpoint of Cork city centre island for visitors, the design of any new build will have to be of true, international landmark status – no ifs or buts. A waterbus docking or marina facility could perhaps be provided in some small part at the site tip – however river dimensions may complicate this. A boardwalk and docking pontoon could be provided off the cobbled quayside and clearly any parking associated with a redevelopment will have to be off-site.[/QUOTE]
😡 Whoever is responsible for this site, in this state should be in Jail.. there is no justification for this site, or the CIE site oppsite to be the SLUM looking gateway to Cork City
@lexington wrote:
No – North Mall is the opposite side of the river, visible in that image to the left. Bachelor’s Quay borders Grenville Place and is accessible from North Mall using the beautiful iron Vincent’s Bridge. Among the Georgians along this quayside is the former residence of George Boole.
Thanks for that, should have been able to figure that out for myself with Shandon in view…Sunday,,too many beers ect. ect.
lexington wrote:Source:Cork Camera ClubBachelor’s Quay
The photograph shows workmen repairing paving stones on Bachelor’s Quay. Bachelor’s Quay was once a fashionable promenade and the site of the houses of wealthy businessmen. When the wealthier citizens of Cork left the city centre for the more fashionable suburbs their former houses on Bachelor’s Quay became tenements. Some fine Georgian structures remain today toward the western end of the quay, although they are in dire need of renovation. In this image, the original copper-edged North Gate Bridge (an infinitely more attractive specimen than its existing counterpart) can be seen in the background.
😎 Great photos, is that Quay now called the North Mall?, can’t figure it out.
😮 Newspaper reports that Dublin is considering a Manhattan style development in the docklands area really annoys me.
Cork’s Docklands are ripe for this type of development, the City Manager and his team (Jim O’Donovan will be sorely missed) are pushing (dragging) the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil dinosaurs that we have as City Councilors to the start line for years, but as is the case with CIE (event centre, ect) the cozy club of councilors do not want to step on toes or rock the boat. At this rate Cork will be the 4th or 5th city in Ireland in 5 years time.
On a related point, does anybody know what the outcome of the CHQ site High Court case as reported in the IE some weeks ago was? This site would be crucial to any redevelopment of Corks Docklands.lexington wrote:No – although that would be nice. There was talk of it at one stage but it is not to designated as a ‘Hospitality Suite’ by Cork County Council. So all the visiting politicians and initiative launches and so on now have a venue with a spectacular view. So if you’re a visiting royal you’re sorted! ]Thats a pity, i thought it was to be a public bar and resturant as well.
@lexington wrote:
*UPDATES*
Mr. O’Donovan – along with City Manager Joe Gavin and planners like Ronnie McDowell, can be credited as being at the helm of the beginning of one of Cork’s most exciting development phases. Mr. O’Donovan helped clear such vital projects as Frinailla’s CitySquare proposal at Ladyswell to name but one example – and was instrumental in numerous other proposals that have helped Cork regenerate – often despite many realms of opposition. In part, in helped aid a revision of perceptions associated with Cork as a centre for investment by overseeing a planning department that was generally willing to work with developers, architects, planners and engineers to carve better standards of investment and working constructively to realise such proposals. I hope that Mr. Terry – and Mr. Ledwidge who takes office at the brink of substantial docklands redevelopment – can take their positions with a view to the long-term and embrace the years to come with open and thoughtful mindsets, as well as maintaining the demand for higher quality design and development compositions.
I wish Mr. O’Donovan the best of success in his new department.
😎 And so say all of us.
A measure of Jim O’Donovans professionalism,,,even CSD on their website homepage wish him well http://www.corksouthwest.com
