developments in cork
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- December 23, 2005 at 11:26 am #758753
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ParticipantPerhaps I’m missing something, but has anyone mentioned “The Atlas of Cork”?
Its been largely written by the staff of the Geography Dept in UCC, and covers the development of Cork city from the Geology upwards. Its in the same format as The Atlas of Rural Ireland, and is comprehensive as hell. It even has a big colour picture of the Water Street development …
December 23, 2005 at 8:59 pm #758754lexington
Participant@Aidan wrote:
Perhaps I’m missing something, but has anyone mentioned “The Atlas of Cork”?
Received a present of it recently – very interesting stuff. Especially from a historical perspective.
December 23, 2005 at 9:07 pm #758755lexington
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December 23, 2005 at 11:20 pm #758756theblimp
Participant… and many happy returns to you Lex, keep up the excellent work 😀
December 27, 2005 at 7:44 pm #758757A-ha
ParticipantThe city was jammers today, did everyone head off to the sales? Mahon Point was such an improvement for the NEXT sale than the one in Douglas. It was really packed, almost everything was gone by 7am. I hope everyone had a great Christmas and that they have a Happy New Year too.
December 27, 2005 at 9:44 pm #758758snoopdog
ParticipantHey everyone, sorry to change subjects but does anyone know what Mark Kelleher’s plan for bishopstown are? We have heard there was a new appeal for more apartments and town houses but i thought he was getting ready to build! His name + nice words aren’t exactly going together around here at the moment.By now, I think most people here are annoyed at the fact that he keeps coming back rather than actually objecting to what he’s doing, they’ve accepted that.I mean how many times is this?
December 28, 2005 at 12:58 am #758759Leesider
ParticipantHope everyone had a good Christmas and that a prosperous new year is ahead!!
Was driving down Washington St. the other night and 2 developments I have heard about a while back but which haven’t gone to construction phase yet, Mannix’s and the Kino, were brought to mind. Does anyone know when these are going ahead or even if they are going ahead??? Would do a lot for the street, just like the renovated courthouse adds that bit of class.
December 28, 2005 at 11:33 am #758760anto
Participant@A-ha wrote:
The city was jammers today, did everyone head off to the sales? Mahon Point was such an improvement for the NEXT sale than the one in Douglas. It was really packed, almost everything was gone by 7am. I hope everyone had a great Christmas and that they have a Happy New Year too.
No wonder the “architecture” was dropped from the title of this thread!:D
December 28, 2005 at 12:01 pm #758761kite
Participant@snoopdog wrote:
Hey everyone, sorry to change subjects but does anyone know what Mark Kelleher’s plan for bishopstown are? We have heard there was a new appeal for more apartments and town houses but i thought he was getting ready to build! His name + nice words aren’t exactly going together around here at the moment.By now, I think most people here are annoyed at the fact that he keeps coming back rather than actually objecting to what he’s doing, they’ve accepted that.I mean how many times is this?
😮 I feel than nobody knows what his plans are right now. He has so many applications in at the moment he must be confused himself.
Speaking to some people that live in the area over the Christmas the local councilors should be thanking their lucky stars that they have 4 years to go before asking for votes out there again!!December 28, 2005 at 4:16 pm #758762lexington
Participantsnoopdog – as for the Westend development, Mr. Kelleher is applying for a further provision on the development site consequent of reductions made during planning. The hope is to recoup some of the losses with redesigned and restructured elements.
@anto wrote:No wonder the “architecture” was dropped from the title of this thread!:D
A necessary comment anto?
December 28, 2005 at 7:03 pm #758763anto
Participantsuppose not. Happy New year!
December 28, 2005 at 8:51 pm #758764garret
Participant@A-ha wrote:
I just wrote to him and gave him a piece of my mind! Just joking. Asked him and am now waiting a reply. I hope they build a decent event centre, not some make shift thingy with 1000 seats. Just as a matter of interest, how many people can the Opera House hold? I think the KT Tunstall concert was in there a few months back. And why did they build that event centre or whatever it is in Mitchelstown? It’s miles away…. it’s almost easier to go to Killarney!
What ever happened to the event/conference centre that was supposed to be built as the sweetner for Mahon Point???
December 28, 2005 at 10:49 pm #758765A-ha
Participant@anto wrote:
No wonder the “architecture” was dropped from the title of this thread!:D
I agree, it is no wonder. Also, since reading garrets last post I noticed that the title of the thread still hasn’t changed. Oh well, I think I’m after getting used to it by now. 😉
December 29, 2005 at 1:57 am #758766kite
Participant@garret wrote:
What ever happened to the event/conference centre that was supposed to be built as the sweetner for Mahon Point???
😮 My understanding of that is .. the GP councilor withdrew his objection to ABP with assurances that the event/conference centre would be built with all the traffic problems solved as well…. BUT ???
December 29, 2005 at 10:01 pm #758767pier39
Participantany truth in the rumour some limerick developer is planning a pretty big development for the city in the new year?? i dont think theyve been active in cork before and dont have a name. some suggestions were chieftain or fordmount but i honestly dont know.
oh yeah and a late happy christman/happy new year to everyone! 😀
December 30, 2005 at 10:55 am #758768POM
Participant@pier39 wrote:
any truth in the rumour some limerick developer is planning a pretty big development for the city in the new year?? i dont think theyve been active in cork before and dont have a name. some suggestions were chieftain or fordmount but i honestly dont know.
oh yeah and a late happy christman/happy new year to everyone! 😀
Robert Butler group???
December 30, 2005 at 8:13 pm #758769lexington
ParticipantThe New Year is upon us…
…how does 2006 look? Well, in my opinion, pretty good as far as progress is concerned. Of course, it all depends on the variables…interest rates, income, planning etc. Cork is facing the New Year with a new Director of Planning Services and a heightened awareness of what it is that’s going on. I don’t think I need to recap the comings and goings of 2005 – I think the thread can be browsed through sufficiently for people to note all that themselves…and though some very positive progress was made, I see 2005 very much as a ‘foundational’ year for 2006, similar to how 2003 was for 2004. :p
2006, it would seem, is lining up to be a very active one – and hopefully it will bring with it the better and the bolder… The development community, I believe, are waking up to the benefits and expectancies associated with design – some faster than others. At a national level, alliances like that of Edward Holdings and Douglas Wallace, for example, are exemplifying the importance of a good developer/design team relationship. Are we there yet? No…will 2006 help us get there? I hope so. Being perfectly aware of all the considerable variables that contribute to a ‘successful development’ – I continue to stress that good design should always be seen as an investment and not a restraint. Good design is increasingly demanded and expected by the masses as they’re awareness and recognition of architecture grows. The progress of this website is representative, in my view, not least of the contributions of its participants but also of growing public interest in the subject field. Of course issues of finance strongly dictate actions, even so, homes, workplaces, leisure facilities and so on are increasingly reflections of one’s lifestyle – and not simply the proverbial ‘roof over one’s head’ or ‘place to do business’ they once were; they are projections of a light in which one wishes to be seen – whether you are a homeowner, business, retailler, guest or whatever – and developers are slowly copping this…and if not, they need to be. Recent publications by the likes of Hamilton Osbourn King, Sherry FitzGerald and CBRE Gunne have all backed this mentality. The argument regarding perceptions of good architecture can ramble on ’til time tolls no more – the fact is, the new Ireland is demanding higher standards.Good architecture does not necessarily require ‘landmark’ buildings left, right and centre – the term ‘landmark’ is flaunted around far too casually these days – but it does require thoughtfulness, innovation, respect, foresight and identity.
In 2006, developers have an opportunity to build on this new environment – the leading edge developers have recognised the demand and are acting on it, though their success will always be a matter for debate among the masses. Irrespective, the need to push higher is evident and steps made need to be encouraged and promoted – planning authorities and the public (market) are requesting more. Developers who associate themselves with good design are generally recognised, if not publicly – amongst their peers, partners and market reception. I would hope recognition of this continues to grow and see realisation in the coming year.
So, in Cork, what is there to look forward to?
Well… Eglinton Street is scheduled to commence construction within the early New Year, the highly anticipated Academy Street proposal is expected to see the Planning office within the coming weeks, a decision on Water Street is expected to be made in March, the Rothbury Estates application for Sunbeam will also do the rounds at Navigation House, construction on a new home for the Revenue Commissioners in Cork is expected to get go, an application for Anderson’s Quay and 16 Lavitts Quay, an outcome to the Crow’s Nest redevelopment proposal, the opening of Cork Airport’s new terminal, perhaps Manor Park Homebuilders and O’Mahony Pike Architects will lodge their first application on Horgan’s Quay in the not too distant future, later on in the year we could expect planning applications for Carrigrohane Road (Oyster Developments) and maybe the large retail plan for Grand Parade and surrounds, movement on Grand Parade Plaza, an application on Albert Quay, an outcome to the Precinct Investments plan at the Metropole, work getting a right move on Cornmarket Street, work continuing at Lancaster Quay, a city centre and a docklands surprise or two(!), movement on Victoria and Dennehy’s Crosses, a suburban retail/mixed-use initiative, Ladyswell (CitySquare), Clontarf Street, the long-awaited and badly needed Parnell Place/Beasly Street development currently held up in appeal, plans for Douglas Village redevelopment – and many more…
…also, we can expect a bit of a shake-up among the generally ‘local associated’ development groups as increased outsider activity emerges in the Cork market.
I hope 2006 will prove itself to be a positive year for the city in more ways than one – with acknowledgement of the pressure for good design through increasing numbers of distinguished architecturally sound proposals finding realisation. Not every building can or will be a Glucksman Gallery, but that doesn’t mean we can’t have – or should have – a few more. :p Let’s make 2006 a progressive stepping point in the furthering of better architectural and product standards.
Let’s hope this year is a prosperous one, and noteworthy for all the right reasons.
Happy New Year to you all.
Lexington
December 31, 2005 at 12:59 pm #758770Maskhadov
Participantwith Cork moving the port out of the city to Ringaskiddy what are the plans for the old port location ? Are they going to develop a waterside development ?
December 31, 2005 at 2:34 pm #758771lexington
Participant@Maskhadov wrote:
with Cork moving the port out of the city to Ringaskiddy what are the plans for the old port location ? Are they going to develop a waterside development ?
As you can imagine Maskhadov, the relocation process involved is an extensive one. Effectively, the transfer of many port activities to the Port of Cork lands at Ringaskiddy is a phase by phase process with an estimated cost of €200m. Most likely, and perhaps within the coming months – subject to discussion outcomes – the PoC will seize it’s limited operations along Horgan’s Quay on the northern docklands. This would clear the way for a €500m phased development along the 17-acre lands at Horgan’s Quay (controlled by CIE but which was passed onto to Manor Park Homebuilders for redevelopment purposes). The first application for this redevelopment is expected this year – in the project’s entirety, up to and possibly over 1,000 new high density homes are to built, a major commercial/retail core, redeveloped Kent Station for CIE with new Bus Station and reoriented terminal to face the waterside, 2 new plazas, a new National Route and 400metre boardwalk running the length of the quay – O’Mahony Pike Architects are working on this project. There is talk and work looking into an Event Centre element also, but that outcome remains to be seen. Further east along the northern quays, Werdna Ltd are still in appeal for 304 residential units with a 17-storey feature tower, new riverside promenade, commercial facilities, 30,000sq ft of business & technology space, 400+ basement car-parking etc all at a site off Water Street – designed by Murray O’Laoire. Water Street is also the subject of a new bridge to be facilitated by Cork City Council. To the west of Horgan’s Quay, various projects are in the pipeline. Along the southern docklands, progress is on-going behind the scenes – at the same time, a South Docklands Area Plan is under formation. For the time being, The Beverly Smyth Group have planning in for 104 residential units over a series of blocks, 30,000sq ft of Business & Technology uses and the like, McCarthy Developments have an 8-storey office building of 100,000sq ft designed by Murray O’Laoire ready-to-go and which had been in contention for the new Revenue Commissioners home in Cork. McCarthy Developments may also have other plans – as do Howard Holdings, whose recent €25m + purchase of the 11-acre Ford site issues another solid step in the company’s ambitions to redevelop a significant quarter of the Cork Docklands region in a project estimated at €500m+, the company are also in discussion to acquire a nearby 10-acre waterfront site owned by Tedcastles Holdings. Quiet discussions are on-going about 2 other significant waterfront sites (1 of which will probably relocate too) in the south docklands which I hope can be commented on later – also a further office development is being pitched for an acre site along Monahan’s Road, sometime in the New Year.
All in all, workings are being issued, and the Cork Docklands has a long way to go – effectively, it is the creation of a new city and for its full realisation, will require many more years ahead.
December 31, 2005 at 8:21 pm #758772kite
ParticipantBy T. Barker IE 31-12-05.. Fleming Construction ventured to Dublin and spent €165 million on an eight-acre site at Sandyford, and in Cork they forged ahead at Fota, with a new hotel nearly built and holiday homes in the wooded estate grounds. For good measure, they splashed out €18 million on amenity land by Bishopstown, which will prove a shrewd buy and can help them re-locate city sports clubs from prime urban site. They will lodge for planning for the Nemo Rangers site in Douglas any day now, for high-end housing.
Bishopstown GAA (Jerry Buttimer, P.M. Vic M) and Highfield RFC to re-locate to the sticks ??, 2006 will indeed be an interesting year….
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