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@corcaighboy wrote:
HE’S BACK!!! And thank god for that. Lex, you were sorely missed. But so glad to see ya back again.
😎 And so say all of us..maybe i can put away the book i was forced to read while Lex was away.(reading his posts is a lot more fun)
This evenings Echo would lead anyone to despair.
To see Jerry Buttimer on the CSD bandwagon is to be expected, but Cllr.Mary Shields to jump to the attention of the anti development lobby group is deplorable.
Cllr.Buttimer (Fianna Fail) and Cllr.Shields (Fine Gael) or is it the other way around?, does it make any difference? + all the other so called public reps in Bishopstown have let themselves down again by calling on a ban on anything higher than a townhouse.
Somebody once mentioned on this thread that we should start a lobby group to counteract the propaganda of the CSD, anyone interested??, before Mary Shields wins the 2006 http://www.corksouthwest.com councilor of the year award from that other anti high rise councilor, Cllr. D. McCarthy?bunch wrote:once port and port related traffic is completely removed from the city centre quays, Tivoli will be the furthest port location upstream and according to the Port of Cork, a decreasingly attractive site for the container activities it currently facilitates – i think the long term intention is to relocate much of the tivoli shipping and container activities to the new Ringaskiddy development. i’ve always thought of tivoli as a huge opportunity for the city – after the docklands, it is the only large, central land resource within the city –imagine the land value of tivoli in 5 years time – a huge, flat, south facing site only minutes from city centre, facing the river and with good downstream river views]
😎 Tivoli would indeed be a prime area to be developed in conjunction with the Cork docklands.
Just one question, is Tivoli land under the control of Cork city or county?@PTB wrote:
What exactly was the logic behind giving the first official opening months before the bridge was open? It wasn’t coming up to elections was it?
:rolleyes: The answer is on the plaque in the photo, as Lord Mayor you get your name in stone, vanity is a serious disease in Cork.
@Pug wrote:
the transport network in cork is a complete and utter disgrace. if its true that councillors sniggered at the a “light rail system” we should all despair – please let us stop electing these people. Coming from Carrigaline it is easier for me to get to work by NOT using the kinsale roundabout and drive through all the suburbs, there is no buses after 11.15pm which is an utter disgrace, the green route from grange is a joke as it restricted all the traffic coming from douglas causing MORE congestion, at grange cross they are just about to finish roadworks that will just about bring the traffic to the situation it was (i.e. crap) BEFORE they built a very large and pointless wall and they had to buy land to do it (i.e. waste of time and money) – A light rail is a NECESSITY from Cork to Ballincollig, Blackpool, Glanmire, Douglas/Carrigaline, Grange/Airport and at the four gateways to the city there should be a hub to link up to Intercity buses / possibly trains.
we are light years behind and with the cost of having to buy out a toll bridge in dublin which provides nothing to the rest of the country, we are likely to remain there. 😡
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All valid and true points. However we seem to be faced with a double edged sword in Cork in relation to a dedicated public transport system to the airport and outer “city†areas such as Carrigaline, Ballincollig ect. Councilors argue that we need to increase the city population to do away with the need to use cars or public transport to get to the heart of Cork (other than the 3rd world buses we already have), this head in the sand policy makes them afraid to commit to a proper Luas type system. It would also make them very unpopular with their buddys in the “Cork click†who have a vested interest in stopping making it easy to live in the County and commuting to Cork City.
Any public rep. local or national who would dare suggest that we deserve better is going to be in for a hard ride I suspect?@A-ha wrote:
Yeah, saw a little bit about that in the Echo on Tuesday. It’s a shame the councillors are so small thinking that he got sniggered at. Try and think outside the box! You’d think the Lord Mayor would agree with him, she is very big into the airport development. Was at the airport the other day, it looks really well. It’s very glam and I like that it’s all lit up and bright… it can be seen from the runway at night…. not like the tinted glass thing that’s there at the moment. It looks really futuristic. Also, the Kinsale Road flyover looks well, and looks to be on schedule? When is it due for completion?? Oh and for anyone that didn’t see the Echo on Tuesday, it also said that the toll for cars on the Fermoy by-pass will be €1.60…. I don’t care what they do as long as they don’t toll the tunnel!
😡 Like you say, “small minded”..no wonder Cork is way behind development wise.Some of these snigger buggers must think that we are not entitled to a modern city.
I wonder do Werda Ltd. (hope that spelling is correct) regret trying to break into the Cork market (Water St.) taking on the big wigs in the city with all the nods and winks that makes our world in Cork go round??Today’s Cork Independent reports that a motion to go before CCC calling for a light rail system from the airport to the city centre from Cllr.Dave McCarthy (Fianna Fail) drew sniggers from other councilors.
These begrudgers should put up or shut up. Most of us would disagree with Cllr.McCarthy’s support of the recent vote on the height cap but it is this type of “dogged can do attitude” that is sadly lacking in other politicians (local and national)The Taoiseach said of Cllr.McCarthy when he was Lord Mayor of Cork that the first phone call he received every morning was from McCarthy asking for money for Cork, this is evident all over the Northside of the city where the best sporting and leisure facilities in Ireland are found.
Love him or hate him, one has to say, that guys got balls.It seems there may be a reappraisal on the cards with regard to the Crows Nest proposal.
All aspects of the proposed development are being looked into, viability (due to the amount of unsold apartments in the area), planning headaches (residents, CSD ect) and the appetite for such developments from the new director of planning.
It looks like the 15 storey landmark building may not go ahead.
It may just reopen as a pub-restaurant as before.
Pity Lex is gone so quite, he was always able to give a ya or na to such rumours with great accuracy.@Saucy Jack wrote:
Its all political attention seeking and image enhancing behaviour.Total gimp unworthy of any votes – EVER.
We’ll see him go very quiet when Bishopstown G.A.A. and Highfield come up for development in the next few years.Total nonsense as ever in todays Irish Examiner fron Fine Gaels Mr.Buttimer.On the subject of Highfield RFC and Bishopstown GAA, has anyone updates on how far advanced plans are to relocate both to Cork County?;)
Radioactiveman wrote:I notice that “industrial units” are now being advertised for lease at a Watercourse Road site which was at the centre (literally and geographically) of a recent planning saga. This site had been a pivotal part of Frinailla’s City Quarter/Lady’s Well development (for which they recieved permission prior to Christmas) after a lenghty planning process at CCC and ABP level.
ABP ruled that a large central block of apartments be omitted from the plans and granted permission for the remainder. It is thought that this loss of residential space has impacted financially on the deal between the site owner and the development company. It is speculated that this will have an impact on the timeframe within which work can begin. CCC has recently advertised that Alinett’s Lane (which runs through the site) will be closed from next month to August 2007 to allow construction to take place.:confused: Is that area zoned for industrial use given that CCC are due to vote to rezone land in Churchfield to allow lidl to build a supermarket on land zoned for industry?
POM wrote:I am of the same frame of mind about our councillors but its not just Jerry Buttimer…and I think people posting such perhaps watch their choice of wording when expressing disappointment at their public representatives.Point taken. But good old Jerry buttimer was on the bandwagon again yesterday according to todays Examiner, supporting art students (a good cause im sure) along with Sinn Fein and GP. Anything to get his name in print?
@orion wrote:
Jerry Buttimer in today’s Examiner calls for “a moratorium on major devlopments ” in his ward.
Its a pity his veiws only extent to Bishopstown and not to his GAA buddies Devlopment @Victoria Mills.
Is this guy for real in thinking the planning processes final decision to grant must be a democratic decision imagine that trying to work in todays Celtic Tiger economy.
God help us if this guy every tries for the Dail,what a clown.😮 Every time i see Cllr.Buttimer i expect to see a ring in his nose, thats all he is short,the way the residents and csd seem to lead him on to do their bidding.
@bunch wrote:
that csd website is like something a group of angry teenagers would produce -its pathetic.
i see jerry buttimer is quoted on the examiner again today (who provide him with a platform quite regularly) complaining about the mark kelleher proposals in bishopstown – now I dont know anything about the proposed development or its design but the Councillor’s response is predictable and says an awful lot about standards of public representation-
“Fine Gael Cllr Jerry Buttimer said the planning system was undemocratic and called for a moratorium on major developments in the area” “”The planners and developers are fast turning parts of the city into ghettos. We are creating living space for transient communities, with no emphasis on building community or promoting sustainable living” “How can it be correct that one anonymous person or two makes a decision in relation to an area, and ignores the concerns of local residents”
Jerry Buttimer is part of Cork City Council and understands how the planning system works and as a city councillor played an important part in adopting the city development plan – which is a reserved function of elected councillors – so the planning policies and objectives as detailed in the general land use sections of the city development plan and the specific objectives for the south west suburbs were democratically adopted – as part of those policies + objectives – the principle of sustainable development and proper planning is encouraged ie increasing density, reducing unnecessary travel, maximising land and infrastructure resources. i just think his attempt to remove himself from the system by portraying it as undemocratic is a bit dishonest and what i would describe as public misrepresentation
planning applications will go through the relevant and statutory processes – i assume residents and others submitted objections at local planning level – and can appeal the decision to ABP – that is their democratic right – those objections/appeals have to be considered as part of the decision making process (once they are not vexatious, irrelevant etc) – these planning applications are assessed by various persons who are qualified to make infomed judgements (planners, engineers, architects, etc) – i really dont understand why when an individual or group dont like a decision – its undemocratic + when a decision goes their way -its vindication
Jerry Buttimer, enough said..Berni “wheres me teeth”Murphy, we really can pick them in Cork???
@Morlan wrote:
I’d agree with most of that PTB. I’d still stick with the Ha’penny Bridge as the main icon of Dublin.
😎 The Ha’penny bridge rocks my boat as well, i love walking up the quays past the bridge and looking at the historic skyline of the city.
@maggie wrote:
This looks like an issue of subsidence in the garden rather than a structural issue with the house itself. The oil-tank is built up on loose concrete blocks so I wouldn’t worry too much about cracks there. I also doubt that the garden wall has proper foundations. Fom what I can see of the corner of the house there doesn’t seem to be cracks on the external wall, that would be your main worry.
But definitely a structural engineer would be your best bet. I think the bank requires you to have a survey anyway for a mortgage.I would agree with all the above..What is the black pipe like thing in the right side of the photo ?
Forgive me for going back to a group I am sure many see as a major pain in the backside but the CSD crowd have posted a letter on their website that they claim they sent to Joe Gavin (Cork City Manager) asking him to explain residents rights under the planning act.
If what they claim is correct it may explain how Victoria Mills (another pet hate of many, and mine) was ever allowed to be built?
Check out the letter on the news update page on http://www.corksouthwest.com@POM wrote:
Thats Coppinger Court by Magee Creedon. Personally I think it is one of the better designed projects to have met the city in recent years. Quite rightly it picked up an RIAI award for best sustainable building. It may be worth taking a looking around, if you can, the development before judging it. Its a great playful and sensitive design given its difficult location. http://www.riai.ie/gallery.html?type=regional&year=2004&item=6
:rolleyes: Yep, that project looks great in the above mentioned website as i am sure it does in real life from Shandon. Its a pity that the roof looks like a protruding wart when walking along the quays.
@ewankennedy wrote:
In what way? You should probably know some of those are false or manipulated like the one of the proposed Jurys hotel is false and others are outdated.
😮 I agree that the photo of Jurys is manipulated, but Victoria Mills out of date? maybe you are right..VM was out of date the day the plans were drawn up.
What is that dogbox like structure in the Shandon photo?, i thought that was manipulated as well until i passed there today and saw it for myself. Any wonder planning in Cork had a bad reputation?@Paul Clerkin wrote:
who / what is CSD?
🙁 CSD are a lobby group in Cork opposed to high rise housing in the Bishopstown area.
They have a website where you can get more info on them at http://www.corksouthwest.com
Sorry about the misinformation regarding Lex. i was only telling it as i heard.@Paul Clerkin wrote:
LOL, you’re having a laugh aren’t you. That’s complete and utter rubbish.
Care to reveal your source on that – wouldn’t be the Irish Examiner would it?🙂 Glad that is cleared up. Like i said, the reason i had my doubts about the story was that neither CSD nor yourself made any reference to it.
Lex is still missed though (whatever the reason)
