developments in cork

Well, it would be quite a stretch to compare Cork Airport (or SNN for that matter) to any of the large airports here in Asia. Most of the airports over here are relatively new, well designed (norman foster did the HK one), and have had their development costs underwritten by their respective governments. Hong Kong, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur are all top class airports, complete with rail links to the city center. I can check in at the downtown HK station, hop on the train, and be at the terminal exactly 23 mins later. Hard to beat.
Irish airports (with the exception of DUB) are a mere drop in the ocean with regards to passenger throughput. Given that, you would think that travelling from Cork would be relatively hassle free experience. Instead, I get to experience the wonders of the magic roundabout. Whatever about the architecture of the new terminal (it DOES look good), the airport is simply in the wrong location. We seem to have a habit of that in Ireland…Knock is in a ‘foggy boggy’ no man’s land and Cork is perched on a frequently fog bound hill!

Lets not knock the Examiner here, todays edition tells us that a planning application is due to be lodged shortly on Eddie Kenneally and Paul Montgomery site at the former Esso station on Western Road.
Apparently Derek Tynan is in talks with senior planners about designs for the site, thought to be 4 or 5 storey apartments. Fans of Tynan’s Victoria Cross student apartments will be pleased. Fans of good taste won’t be!!:D

Derek Tynan’s Victoria Cross Scheme

An earlier proposal for the same site.

Radioactiveman…. how are those pictures of the County Hall coming along? It’s been so quiet here lately…. just because lex is gone, doesn’t mean we should abandon the place all together. Where is everyone… kite, ewan, anyone?

Hi Guys, not to be taking away from the subject of the thread..

But I wonder did anyone see Joe Duffy’s latest cork bashing in one of the sunday papers yesterday

He was referring to the new airport terminal development and comments from lord mayor Deirdre Clune regarding funding of same

He was more or less stating The CAA should not start debt free, and expect dublin to pick up the tab for the new terminal as “dublin users don’t need to use cork airport” and “dublin airport is struggling to find the funds for a new terminal themselves” so why should we be loaded with the 160m in dublin.

I wonder has Joe forgotten a certain government promise!

Also in the same paper just a few weeks ago, he lashed out at the new county hall development stating it was an “ugly tower” all i’d say is look at liberty hall joe!

Hmmm its very quiet here..
I really hope the Clontarf street project gets the go ahead. Like i said before I think the 9 storey height in this case is suited given the site. Think a decision is set for the end of this month. Also when is there going to be movement on Albert quay? Theres 2 sites there set for offices I think and it will really round off the quays in this area well. Referring back to a few posts by lex i think Ascon and Howards are involved there and construction on Eglington street is beginning at the end of Feb. Looking forward to it. Think Careys are next in line?? Great site but how will the deal with the Sextant pub there on the corner? Is it protected?

Looking forward to see what Howard and Ascon have planned for Albert Quay indeed. I heard Ascon might go in for planning by the summer but I always figured Howard would look to buy their site out…probably not given the price they paid for the Doyle warehouse, might not make sense. I just hope STW don’t give us another grey shocker. Anyone else been tallying up their buildings around Cork? Anglsea Street – grey, School of Pharmacy – grey, Webworks – grey…I think Lapps Quay is the only project of theirs with a bit of colour and life to it. If they pursue that cold grey look again Albert Quay could turn out to be very boring. Maybe another firm are working on thr project, but if its STW I just hope the inject a little life and style into the quay to compliment the fine job across the river at Lapps Quay.

Anyone know who is handling the Ascon design for Albert Qy? Tony Dennehy? Jack Coughlan? Other???

I don’t think the Sextant is protected but it would be nice to see it incorporated in ay new scheme in some sort of novel way.

that csd website is like something a group of angry teenagers would produce -its pathetic.

i see jerry buttimer is quoted on the examiner again today (who provide him with a platform quite regularly) complaining about the mark kelleher proposals in bishopstown – now I dont know anything about the proposed development or its design but the Councillor’s response is predictable and says an awful lot about standards of public representation-

“Fine Gael Cllr Jerry Buttimer said the planning system was undemocratic and called for a moratorium on major developments in the area” “”The planners and developers are fast turning parts of the city into ghettos. We are creating living space for transient communities, with no emphasis on building community or promoting sustainable living” “How can it be correct that one anonymous person or two makes a decision in relation to an area, and ignores the concerns of local residents”

Jerry Buttimer is part of Cork City Council and understands how the planning system works and as a city councillor played an important part in adopting the city development plan – which is a reserved function of elected councillors – so the planning policies and objectives as detailed in the general land use sections of the city development plan and the specific objectives for the south west suburbs were democratically adopted – as part of those policies + objectives – the principle of sustainable development and proper planning is encouraged ie increasing density, reducing unnecessary travel, maximising land and infrastructure resources. i just think his attempt to remove himself from the system by portraying it as undemocratic is a bit dishonest and what i would describe as public misrepresentation

planning applications will go through the relevant and statutory processes – i assume residents and others submitted objections at local planning level – and can appeal the decision to ABP – that is their democratic right – those objections/appeals have to be considered as part of the decision making process (once they are not vexatious, irrelevant etc) – these planning applications are assessed by various persons who are qualified to make infomed judgements (planners, engineers, architects, etc) – i really dont understand why when an individual or group dont like a decision – its undemocratic + when a decision goes their way -its vindication

@bunch wrote:

that csd website is like something a group of angry teenagers would produce -its pathetic.

i see jerry buttimer is quoted on the examiner again today (who provide him with a platform quite regularly) complaining about the mark kelleher proposals in bishopstown – now I dont know anything about the proposed development or its design but the Councillor’s response is predictable and says an awful lot about standards of public representation-

“Fine Gael Cllr Jerry Buttimer said the planning system was undemocratic and called for a moratorium on major developments in the area” “”The planners and developers are fast turning parts of the city into ghettos. We are creating living space for transient communities, with no emphasis on building community or promoting sustainable living” “How can it be correct that one anonymous person or two makes a decision in relation to an area, and ignores the concerns of local residents”

Jerry Buttimer is part of Cork City Council and understands how the planning system works and as a city councillor played an important part in adopting the city development plan – which is a reserved function of elected councillors – so the planning policies and objectives as detailed in the general land use sections of the city development plan and the specific objectives for the south west suburbs were democratically adopted – as part of those policies + objectives – the principle of sustainable development and proper planning is encouraged ie increasing density, reducing unnecessary travel, maximising land and infrastructure resources. i just think his attempt to remove himself from the system by portraying it as undemocratic is a bit dishonest and what i would describe as public misrepresentation

planning applications will go through the relevant and statutory processes – i assume residents and others submitted objections at local planning level – and can appeal the decision to ABP – that is their democratic right – those objections/appeals have to be considered as part of the decision making process (once they are not vexatious, irrelevant etc) – these planning applications are assessed by various persons who are qualified to make infomed judgements (planners, engineers, architects, etc) – i really dont understand why when an individual or group dont like a decision – its undemocratic + when a decision goes their way -its vindication

Jerry Buttimer, enough said..Berni “wheres me teeth”Murphy, we really can pick them in Cork???

@orion wrote:

Jerry Buttimer in today’s Examiner calls for “a moratorium on major devlopments ” in his ward.
Its a pity his veiws only extent to Bishopstown and not to his GAA buddies Devlopment @Victoria Mills.
Is this guy for real in thinking the planning processes final decision to grant must be a democratic decision imagine that trying to work in todays Celtic Tiger economy.
God help us if this guy every tries for the Dail,what a clown.

Its all political attention seeking and image enhancing behaviour.Total gimp unworthy of any votes – EVER.
We’ll see him go very quiet when Bishopstown G.A.A. and Highfield come up for development in the next few years.Total nonsense as ever in todays Irish Examiner fron Fine Gaels Mr.Buttimer.

@orion wrote:

Jerry Buttimer in today’s Examiner calls for “a moratorium on major devlopments ” in his ward.
Its a pity his veiws only extent to Bishopstown and not to his GAA buddies Devlopment @Victoria Mills.
Is this guy for real in thinking the planning processes final decision to grant must be a democratic decision imagine that trying to work in todays Celtic Tiger economy.
God help us if this guy every tries for the Dail,what a clown.

😮 Every time i see Cllr.Buttimer i expect to see a ring in his nose, thats all he is short,the way the residents and csd seem to lead him on to do their bidding.