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The road from the bridge at the turn off for EastGate/Little Island up as far as the roundabout for the tunnel has been made three lanes in each direction. Will this be carried on further or is it just that stretch of road? I don’t see why that road hasn’t been given motorway status…. seen as most motorways in Ireland don’t have three lanes anyway, half the roads in Dublin aren’t even motorways by British/European standards. Is it the governments plan to give it to M status? Also, if the Port of Cork is moved to Ringaskiddy, does that mean that all ships will no longer come up the Lee? What about all the naval ships/cruise ships that enter Cork….. will they all be sent to Ringaskiddy? Hope everyone has a brilliant New Year!
p.s. sorry i’m so full of questions today. :rolleyes:
@A-ha wrote:
The road from the bridge at the turn off for EastGate/Little Island up as far as the roundabout for the tunnel has been made three lanes in each direction. Will this be carried on further or is it just that stretch of road? I don’t see why that road hasn’t been given motorway status…. seen as most motorways in Ireland don’t have three lanes anyway, half the roads in Dublin aren’t even motorways by British/European standards. Is it the governments plan to give it to M status? Also, if the Port of Cork is moved to Ringaskiddy, does that mean that all ships will no longer come up the Lee? What about all the naval ships/cruise ships that enter Cork….. will they all be sent to Ringaskiddy? Hope everyone has a brilliant New Year!
p.s. sorry i’m so full of questions today. :rolleyes:
Re: Motorways – I think the qualification for motorway standard is 2-lanes in either direction to a width of 300 metres across and of a certain build, generally its not simply a matter of lanes. However, the Cork Northern Ring Road and Fermoy By-Pass/Mitchelstown By-Pass are all being configured to this status apparently. However, some existing roads (incl. Watergrasshill By-Pass) I believe are already of the standard but without the designation. This isn’t my best area of assessment but that’s my primitive understanding…:confused:
As for Ringaskiddy, the transfer does not restrict vessel traffic up the Lee, it’s more about upgrading PoC facilities, their ability to expand and at the same time freeing up development space in the city. The Water Street Bridge will be configured to allow vessel passage – and it is hoped some naval activity and visit ships will be accommodated through new quayside platforms which can double up as docking and boardwalk/amenity areas. Indeed one of the main features of a redeveloped docklands area will be to place more emphasis on maritime activity – that is, utilising the river – one of Cork’s most important natural assets. The provision of effective and efficient water-bus activity and recreational functions will be vital to the successful development of the area.
@A-ha wrote:
The road from the bridge at the turn off for EastGate/Little Island up as far as the roundabout for the tunnel has been made three lanes in each direction. Will this be carried on further or is it just that stretch of road? I don’t see why that road hasn’t been given motorway status…. seen as most motorways in Ireland don’t have three lanes anyway, half the roads in Dublin aren’t even motorways by British/European standards. Is it the governments plan to give it to M status?
Not everyone is allowed use motorways – Learner drivers, Cyclists, Slow vehicles etc. Therefore for every stretch of motorway, alternate routes must exist for these road users, and that’s why some motorway quality dual-carriageways have not been afforded official motorway designation.
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Was driving down Washington St. the other night and 2 developments I have heard about a while back but which haven’t gone to construction phase yet, Mannix’s and the Kino, were brought to mind. Does anyone know when these are going ahead or even if they are going ahead??? Would do a lot for the street, just like the renovated courthouse adds that bit of class.
Indeed, the Mannix premises could well do with that redevelopment – seriously overdue and that break in shoulder heights brings a serious and ugly sense of discontinuity to what is otherwise a pleasant streetscape. The redevelopment would bring a sense a revival to this worn out site and act as a contemporary corner gateway as well as a nice occupaniant to the other recent addition at Wagamama/Captain Americas/Suas nearby. Mr. Mannix is most evasive on the topic and the project has a lot to do with others behind the scenes. Also, some of the site tenants are more than unhappy with the prospect of a new proposal – case in point, Mr. Leahy’s appeal. The rumour mill suggested that Mr. Mannix may actually sell the premises with F.P.P. when the time comes, rather than develop it – that could offer eager buyers a prime city centre development opportunity within a stone’s throw from Cork’s legal district and a series of major redevelopment plans at Cornmarket Street, Grand Parade and South Main Street.
As for the Kino….:confused: Which is a pity because I think Tony Dennehy et al did a really nice job on this proposal – with the right lighting it could offer a striking addition to the street-scape. It would be nice to see this project get a move on in 2006 – its a shame it didn’t see light for 2005 during the Capital of Culture reign, but c’est la vie. See project image here – go to section titled Community and select the 3rd Icon titled “Proposed Cinema”. Flash required.
😉 Also, just to comment on what I believed to be quite an excellent fireworks display on New Year’s Eve. I was lucky enough to have a superb vantage from a nice warm living room on that evening and spare no envy on the poor unfortunates who had to endure the barrell fulls of rain that surely soaked them prune-like. :p Even so, word on the street was, bar a 20 minute delay, the show was well worth it – and indeed it appeared so. All the same, it felt a little empty when the clock struck 12am and the sky remained clear of any significant colours.
Perhaps in the coming years, punters can gather along the extensive boardwalks of Horgan’s Quay and Kennedy Quay and in the squares at Horgan’s Plaza or Kennedy Park in the redeveloped docklands and watch future New Year’s Eve spectacles launched from the eastern tip of Custom House Quay. What a sight that would be! 😉
There was indeed a fireworks display fom a barge moored at the eastern tip of the Custom House Quays.
I think it might have been for the 1985 celebrations. As far as I remember, some fireworks came down into Kent Station and the flour mills causing some concern. Maybe that is why there has not been a repeat performance.@lexington wrote:
As you can imagine Maskhadov, the relocation process involved is an extensive one. Effectively, the transfer of many port activities to the Port of Cork lands at Ringaskiddy is a phase by phase process with an estimated cost of €200m. Most likely, and perhaps within the coming months – subject to discussion outcomes – the PoC will seize it’s limited operations along Horgan’s Quay on the northern docklands. This would clear the way for a €500m phased development along the 17-acre lands at Horgan’s Quay (controlled by CIE but which was passed onto to Manor Park Homebuilders for redevelopment purposes). The first application for this redevelopment is expected this year – in the project’s entirety, up to and possibly over 1,000 new high density homes are to built, a major commercial/retail core, redeveloped Kent Station for CIE with new Bus Station and reoriented terminal to face the waterside, 2 new plazas, a new National Route and 400metre boardwalk running the length of the quay – O’Mahony Pike Architects are working on this project. There is talk and work looking into an Event Centre element also, but that outcome remains to be seen. Further east along the northern quays, Werdna Ltd are still in appeal for 304 residential units with a 17-storey feature tower, new riverside promenade, commercial facilities, 30,000sq ft of business & technology space, 400+ basement car-parking etc all at a site off Water Street – designed by Murray O’Laoire. Water Street is also the subject of a new bridge to be facilitated by Cork City Council. To the west of Horgan’s Quay, various projects are in the pipeline. Along the southern docklands, progress is on-going behind the scenes – at the same time, a South Docklands Area Plan is under formation. For the time being, The Beverly Smyth Group have planning in for 104 residential units over a series of blocks, 30,000sq ft of Business & Technology uses and the like, McCarthy Developments have an 8-storey office building of 100,000sq ft designed by Murray O’Laoire ready-to-go and which had been in contention for the new Revenue Commissioners home in Cork. McCarthy Developments may also have other plans – as do Howard Holdings, whose recent €25m + purchase of the 11-acre Ford site issues another solid step in the company’s ambitions to redevelop a significant quarter of the Cork Docklands region in a project estimated at €500m+, the company are also in discussion to acquire a nearby 10-acre waterfront site owned by Tedcastles Holdings. Quiet discussions are on-going about 2 other significant waterfront sites (1 of which will probably relocate too) in the south docklands which I hope can be commented on later – also a further office development is being pitched for an acre site along Monahan’s Road, sometime in the New Year.
All in all, workings are being issued, and the Cork Docklands has a long way to go – effectively, it is the creation of a new city and for its full realisation, will require many more years ahead.
😡 You are spot on with your assertion that we have many more years to go before we see progress in the Docklands, see an article from the Irish Independent 2002, YES 2002.
ps. any updates on the outcome of the High Court case re:Custom House Quay?Southern capital shows 3pc decline (Irish Independent)
Thursday July 25th 2002
THE population of Cork city will dramatically increase over the next few years when projects such as the docklands development come on stream, according to city manager Joe Gavin.
Speaking after the publication of the preliminary census report, which showed Cork city had registered a 3pc decline in population, Mr Gavin said measures are being put in place to entice people back to the urban quarter.
“We are actively encouraging developers to build comfortable town-houses and are constantly improving the public realm in an effort to reduce the decline in the city. The docklands development, for example, will make the urban environment more enticing.”
The €254m development, close to the city centre, is set to create 6,000 new homes, including high-density apartments and office and retail space as well as culture and leisure facilities.
Mr Gavin said first-time buyers will be drawn back to the city following the creation of a number of parks and a new marina.😎 I know this is a wee bit late, but even so, Rossdale Enterprises have lodged plans with CorkCoCo for the development of a new residential scheme along Commissioner’s Quay at Castleredmond in Midelton. The quayside scheme will see 35 new apartments erected over 2x 4-storey blocks and 1x 5-storey block all over a basement car-parking facility. The scheme, designed by Monkstown-based Dermot Coveney & Associates (whose other works include the redevelopment proposal for the Mannix & Culhane premises along Washington Street), will also include a new waterfront boardwalk amenity.
😎 Castlelands Construction are due a decision tomorrow on their plans for 376 houses at Kilmoney in Carrigaline. The application, originally lodged with CorkCoCo last June (2005) was the subject of a Further Information request, and is applied to a site only a short thread away from the recently proposed plans by Astra Construction Services for 503 residential units (100 duplexes, 24 apartments, sheltered accommodation units [26], 353 houses), creche and associated amenity facilities – designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects.Kite………….
“We are actively encouraging developers to build comfortable town-houses and are constantly improving the public realm in an effort to reduce the decline in the city. The docklands development, for example, will make the urban environment more enticing.”
The €254m development, close to the city centre, is set to create 6,000 new homes, including high-density apartments and office and retail space as well as culture and leisure facilities.
Mr Gavin said first-time buyers will be drawn back to the city following the creation of a number of parks and a new marina.[/QUOTE]Classic stuff…..hopefully Dan Buggy’s departure, Pat Ledwidge’s arrival and everything that Howards are doing doing the Docks will kick things off. Can’t see the Port of Cork doing too much and I wouldn’t hold my breath on the Albert Quay / Kennedy Quay end of things. All said and done, the Council’s (Manager’s) pronouncements are a hostage to fortune (bankers / developers and a certain SP)
In reference to Esso site sales in Cork ,I have heard Paul Montogermie paid under 6 million for the Western Road site.Derek Tynan a.k.a Victoria Mills is finalising plans but planners not happy for this site to achieve same height as Jury Hotel, as its on other side of river!
Does any one know plans for Douglas and Wilton (Esso Site) and who bought them?’Bishopstown Esso was purchased for €2.2m and I can’t remember off the top of my head, but apparently Dunmahon went for €4m (?) – don’t quote me on that as I’m merely ball-parking – Dunmahon will see residential use. As for Bishopstown – not entirely sure, but given its proximities to housing at the rear, road access and relation to CUH, any scheme will have to remain pretty low-rise and will likely be residential with perhaps some medical/commercial units at ground-flor level.
Lex the two houses to the rear of the Esso site @Wilton have been bought by a developer ,it would make sence if this was the same purchaser as the Esso site.This would give a whole new aspect to redeveloping the site with regard height and usage next to CUH.
@orion wrote:
Lex the two houses to the rear of the Esso site @Wilton have been bought by a developer ,it would make sence if this was the same purchaser as the Esso site.This would give a whole new aspect to redeveloping the site with regard height and usage next to CUH.
That’s interesting, thank you. I didn’t know the 2 houses were developer purchased. It will certainly give the site much more scope and a nice linkage dircetly into CUH should medical usage be in part envisaged. Medics and patients alike could avial of a nice walkway between the 2 premises. Regarding height, although the eastern end of the side could accommodate a higher structure, respectful heights will have to generally be adhered to given that there is established housing and estate housing to the immediate west of the former Esso Wilton site.
@yorktown wrote:
Classic stuff…..hopefully Dan Buggy’s departure, Pat Ledwidge’s arrival and everything that Howards are doing doing the Docks will kick things off. Can’t see the Port of Cork doing too much and I wouldn’t hold my breath on the Albert Quay / Kennedy Quay end of things. All said and done, the Council’s (Manager’s) pronouncements are a hostage to fortune (bankers / developers and a certain SP)
a case of howards yet again dragging the city’s docklands kickin and screaming into the 21st century. :rolleyes: well fair play to them, at least someones getting off their hooch and doin something about it. everyone else seems to be hymning and hawing. now if manor park just get their heiny in motion we’d be singing.
Want to see what I want for Christmas 2006? 😀 Take a look below.
Yes, that is Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the foreground. This is HTD Studio’s design for a masterplan undertaken by UCC (NMRC – now the Tyndall Institute) on the near-on 16-acre Tedcastle Holdings site along the South Docklands. The site, zoned in the Cork Docklands Development Strategy 2001, as being for part educational-part commercial use is currently the subject of discussion between Howard Holdings and Tedcastles – the outcome of which has yet to realised. The 22,000sq m proposal envisaged above was set to host a spectacular new NMRC and Photonics centre among other uses – of which commercial and leisure would be constituent. The remainder of the site would be dedicated to a variety of uses, with recreational space being well catered for. The buildings act as a spectacular landmark entrance into the city’s docklands – especially the beautifully glazed, sweeping feature tower. Of course, you have seen this proposal before on the Archiseek.com Cork threads, the previous image I posted was that as posted below (albeit without any attached information):
This design, in my opinion, sets a bar for the standard of development landmark projects should seek to achieve or surpass. The proposals architects are Thierry Paret and Kal Kandler.
The Site – note Howard Holdings’ Ford site acquisition highlighted nearby.Do you think someone has the gusto to see something like this realised? Maybe even the same design – bring in the solicitors to sort out a few ownership glitches and off you go! :p The building could be adapted internally to a myriad of uses – whether offices, retail, some restricted residential, an educational institute inclusive, restaurants, cafes etc – all of the above?
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It does go to show however what CAN be achieved in the Cork Docklands redevelopment and that the imagination is there.
🙂 DAT Partnerships have lodged Significant Further Information on its plans for CentrePoint, their Clontarf Street proposal, destined for a tiny triangular site (circa. 2,250sq ft +) bored by Oliver Plunkett Street Lower to the south, Deane Street to the west and Clontraf Street to the east – and which was purchased for a staggering figure just under €1m. Coughlan de Keyser Architects (Daniel Luxton) had been assigned for design on the project which originally intended to rise 12-storeys in height, but following the outcome of preplanning talks, was lodged at a reduced height of 9-storeys (with a gross floor space of under 30,000sq ft). The design drew much discussion given its unusual form which resembled something of a ‘torch flame’ (see below):
Original CentrePoint proposal – eastern elevation.The application received a submission from Kevin Hurley of An Taisce stating that a recognition of design intentions, but criticism of its form and height among other things.
In their request for Further Information, CCC noted their dis-satisfaction with the cantivelered nature of the design which overhung public footpaths – they additionally pointed out that the height of the building’s southern elevation negatively impacted neighbouring No.6 Lapps Quay and the visual continuity of the vista south-to-north along Eglinton Street, facing Lapps Quay. The CentrePoint project, in their view, seemed to dominated the other buildings in the area at CityQuarter and Lapps Quay. A request for height reductions at this elevation was sought along with revisions in the buildings impact with respect to public foothpaths.
Whether one likes or dislikes the original design is one thing, however there was a clear willingness to explore forms other than those generally associated with the districts established buildings. I’ll bring details of the revised form soon and you can judge for yourselves the outcome of the latest design efforts.
A decision on CentrePoint is due for the 30th January 2005 – the same date scheduled for a decision on John Cleary Developments large Sifco-redevelopment near Mahon Point. Coughlan de Keyser are responsible here too for the design on JCD’s 5-storey (circa) 130,000sq ft office and retail development…so it should be a big day for them!
😮 For those wondering, a decision date on the Rothbury Estates application to redevelop the former Sunbeam Factory in Blackpool is currently expected for the 18th Feburary 2005. Design is by Richard Rainey & Associates and further details may be found here.
anto – the existing NMRC is staying put, in fact an application will soon be lodged for an 4-storey, 40,000sq ft (circa) extension of the facility. Indeed it is a lovely structure. The proposals posted above are aspirational really – I was putting it up as a demonstration of what can be achieved in the docklands rejuvenation. It’s realisation – even if not for solely academic purposes (say as a broader mixed-use commercial development) in any event would be rather pleasant
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