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is Limerick set to take over Cork as a major shopping hub!?
Straight answer….NO. Cork has always had bustling streets in the city centre, not just the one or two main streets, like in Limerick. Every street adjacent to Patrick St. is as thriving as the next, with almost all spaces occupied with shops run by local families as well as international chains too. Oh, did anyone get to see the programme on RTE the other day about the English Market…. it was really good, but most of it was in Irish. And I read today in the Echo that the first Starbucks to open in Ireland outside of Dublin will be in Terminal 2 of Cork Airport when it is completed in early 2006. The due date for the airport to open is April 1st. 2006. Another thing I read in the Echo…. which I did not know, is that there is an underground link between the old short term car park and Terminal 2. Can’t wait until it opens!
I agree with Cork still being number one in munster and possibly the number one in the country. However I think that they also need to look at getting another couple of car parks to meet the demand of visiting tourists because at times you could be wondering around all day for a spot and its not safe to leave your car on the street as the dreaded clampers might take it away. I even notice this to be a proble on a saturday night if you are being the designated driver you have to spend a half hour looking for a space as you cant leave it in the car parks as they close at 12 and thats not much use if your going clubbing. I also think the developments in the city centre are a must as the last thing we want is to end up like some citys in the states where the city centre is left with just offices and cafes. I noticed a prime example of this when I was in Orlando they have the best shopping centres around but nothing when you go Downtown. On a final note anyone notice all of a sudden there is a lot pubs opening up again
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The Classic is reopening with a night club upstairs on south main st
Nearby on south main st another nightclub is due to open next year where the old scouts hall was
The guys that own the East Village in douglas are opening a bar called SOHO on Grand Parade where Doyles was at one stage
A new bar also looks like it will replace Lebowskis on Marlborough St with construction underway at present@securityman wrote:
However I think that they also need to look at getting another couple of car parks to meet the demand of visiting tourists because at times you could be wondering around all day for a spot and its not safe to leave your car on the street as the dreaded clampers might take it away.
Personally, I don’t think more city centre car-parks (other than basement facilities associated with residential or office developments) are desireable. We need to start focusing on the long-run – and that means keeping vehicles (other than emergency and deliveries) out of the city centre. Sustainable options of infastructure need to be employed – the one thing I find regretable not being included in either the CCDP 2003/4 is aim to, at the very least, conduct a major study into public transport alternatives beyond the references made to automated or dedicated green-bus routes. The Midelton Line is one thing, but I think, we need to think beyond that – where efficient light-rail links connect the extended/reconfigured city centre along the docklands with centres like Ballincollig, Bandon, Ringaskiddy/Carrigaline and of course the proposals for Blarney, Mallow, Blackpool, Midelton, Glounthane, Cobh and Dunkettle/Glanmire. Regular, efficient and safe services should serve commuter traffic which should ideally depot at facilities in Ballincollig in the east (i.e. Macroom, Killarney etc commuters), Dunkettle (like the P&R to serve commuters from Rathcormac, Fermoy etc) and so on. Further pedestrian provision needs to be promoted across the city centre island with greater emphasis placed on utilising river/quayside walkways/boardwalks – with full pedestrianisation in zones like Patrick Street, Grand Parade, Washington Street, North Main Street, South Main Street, Oliver Plunkett Street, Maylor Street, Parnell Place and the French Quarter at peak times 8:30am to 6:30pm Monday to Saturdays. But I’m afraid I’m firmly in the “reduce city centre vehicular traffic” camp. 🙂
As for the bars, I previously noted Joe O’Donovan’s purchase of the YCMS premises at Paradise Place, he purchased the facility in late 2004 for €2.2m through Dominic Daly Auctioneers on a guide of €975,000. The 8,000sq ft has great potential for nightclub use and may compliment plans of his concerning Oliver Plunkett Street/Grand Parade/St. Patrick’s Street.Meanwhile, The Classic is still doing the legal rounds!
@lexington wrote:
…It is widely speculated that Mr. Montgomery, in conjunction with another prominent city-based developer, has had some involvement with this Horgan’s Quay plot. CIE had been most reluctant to allow the development of such a facility on its lands historically, it was felt that land provision (requested by CCC) would eat into the potential it sought to gain from its preferred development options – as envisioned with MPH. However, a resolution is assumed to be in the air, following the latest rounds of 3-way talks. A deal may yet see Mr. Montgomery engage with MPH in the delivery of an event centre here…
According to media reports in local press today – further backing was put to the involvement of Paul Montgomery in developing a new event centre, in conjunction with Manor Park Homebuilders. I put note on that back in the LADSOCL thread. However, besides the OCP proposal for MahonPoint, there are 3 other active bids in the run for construction of a new event centre. More details will be brought to you on those – when I can, but given the sensitive nature of the proposals, it will all depend on timing.
*UPDATES*😎 It is understood Oyster Developments are to be greenlit on their revised plans to develop a 7-storey office building at Deane Street – designed by The e-Project. The proposal design was subject to criticism by An Taisce, which representative Kevin Hurley noted as being devoid of any architectural distinction unlike its propsective neighbour across the road at CentrePoint on Clontraf Street which exhibit some architectural merit. The proposal will form Phase 1 of a 2 phase development which will include the incorporation of No.8 Parnell Place (a PS) already granted for renovation and change of use to retail office provision. Should no appeal follow, Mangerton Construction are could to be ready to move in on the site come early 2006. Permission was granted subject to the removal of the 2nd floor, revising the project floors to 6, from 7.
[– meanwhile, David Crowe’s other interest at Blackrock Road (the former ESB substation site) for 7 x 2-bedroom apartments over 3 retail units (also designed by The e-Project) and which was subject to fierce objection (76 individual submissions including the likes of Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment Michael Martin) has received Further Information and revised plans for the proposal which is now due a decision on January 17th 2005.
🙂 Howard Holdings have been greenlit for a 114sq m extension at 3rd floor to the norther elevation of their WebWorks development currently nearing construction at Albert Quay. Design is by Scott Tallon Walker with John Paul Construction as main contractors.For images see -> http://www.stw.ie/Projects/project.asp?id=189
🙂 More good news for Howard Holdings as their proposal for Passage West was all cleared – CorkCoCo decided to grant their application for 16 no. duplex town houses, 16 no. apartments and 16 no. town houses at the grounds of the former Convent of Mercy, overlooking the Great Island Channel which leads from the Atlantic Pond to Cork Harbour proper. 66 parking spaces will also be provided as part of the development.
😎 With the prospect of refusal at hand, John Keating’s proposal for the former Keating Bakery along the Tramore Road has been withdrawn. The plan had proposed construction of basement car park with a total of 60 spaces, 40 no. two bedroom apartments, four individual blocks comprising of 16 no. two bedroomed garden apartments, 16 no. three bedroomed duplex apartments. Colum P.Murphy & Co handled the proposal which was originally submitted for planning on the 23rd of June 2005.😀 The fast renewing suburb of Blackpool is now subject to yet another extensive new regenerative development – following extensive preplanning discussion, Mallow-based Rothbury Estates (linked to the the textile Reffond Group backed by businessman Martin Buckley) looks set to lodge plans with CCC for a massive €105m redevelopment scheme at the 4.34 acre former Sunbeam Factory site located between the Old Mallow Road to the east and Commons Road to the west.
The mixed-use proposal will seek to realise a development encompassing a gross area of 64,761sq m – of which 19,297sq m will be occupied by 260 new residential apartment units broken down as follows: 37 x 1-bedroom, 197 x 2-bedroom and 26 x 3-bedroom units.
The scheme will evolve over 3-blocks:
Blocks 1, 2 and 3 will generally vary in heights of between 5 and 7-storeys with an 8th storey recess – however, Block 1 will also contain a feature tower rising to a height of 18-storeys making it one of Cork’s tallest buildings.Constituent of Block 1 – 77 apartments will be located on the lower-level of the block with 78 further units, all with balconies or roof-terrace provision, being catered for as part of the tower element. A large retail warehousing unit (2, 633sq m) and garden centre will be located a ground-floor level.
Block 2 will home 56 additional apartment units over a further, though smaller retail warehousing unit of 1,813sq m.
Meanwhile, Block 3 will include 49 apartment units over a convenience retail unit, leisure centre, play centre for children, creche and 3-storey cafe. Adjoining the block, a large 6-storey with 7th level setback office building will be provided – at 12,707sq m it will be among Cork’s largest prospective office provisions.
The massive redevelopment scheme will be constructed over a dual-deck basement parking facility for 682 cars – further incorporated, a new riverside park will be provided along the River Bride (which will be subject to realignment) and a new vehicular and pedestrian bridge.
The height of the buildings should come as no surprise given that the area has been designated in the Cork City Development Plan 2004 as being capable of handling taller structures to act as landmark figures to the Northern City Gateway – (as a matter of clarity is not the taller “high-rise” structure I referred to in the LADSOCL thread as being assessed for Blackpool all those many posts ago).
The proposal, if successful, will solidify Blackpool’s fast emerging “destination” profile and add another significant boost to the area which has already benefit so well from the likes of development afforded by The Shipton Group at Blackpool Park and Shopping Centre. The Sunbeam Estate had been subject to a devastating fire back in 2003. Hope to have images up soon. Kinsale-based Richard Rainey & Associates are responsible for the design.
The tragic fire which engulfed the Sunbeam Industrial Estate back in 2003
*UPDATES*lexington wrote:🙂 Development possibilities are potentially ripe for the former Coca-Cola Bottling facility along the Carrigrohane “Straight” Road. Lisney are in the final stages of closing a deal on the 1.7 acre premises which is expected to ultimately sell at approx. €]🙂 As posted on page 15 of this thread (Post #367) the Coca-Cola Bottling facility along the Carrigrohane “Straight” Road was sold via Lisney with a guide price of approx. €5m. The final sale figure is now believed to be in the region of €8m and was attained by Killarney-based David Crowe’s Oyster Developments (interestingly Mr. Crowe was also responsible for the purchase of the Coca-Cola facility in Killarney – just west of St. Patrick’s Church in the town centre – which he redeveloped as The Courtyard residential complex). The site is understood to be out for design tender with development plans expected to be lodged mid-2006. The opportunity exists for Oyster Developments to produce a significant landmark project which acts in a complimentary fashion to the area – with respect for not only Cork County Hall, but the prospect of a large new recreational park to the west along the Carrigrohane Road. Mr. Crowe had previously expressed the desire to develop a 16-storey tower at Deane Street – this was subsequently ruled out by CCC at prelanning stages – this new site acquisition however offers him with the opportunity to realise his earlier intentions, however, given the sensitive location of the site, eyes will be peeled on design standards employed with the new residential project.
Yowzer! 😀 18 storeys eh…sounds like pretty big times still ahead for Blackpool. Great to see so much confidence being put in the area…maybe Joe gavin is right Blackpool could well be one of the best residential addresses in Cork come a few years, its amazing to see how development can progress and area. No poor effort either by the council in promoting it. now if we could just do the same for the docklands!!
I dont like the Crows nest proposal in Victoria cross. It seems to bulky and ugly and unless something SERIOUS is done to change the design i don’t think it should be allowed a 15 storeys. Maybe 9 which would make it a nice counterbalance to Victoria mills the otherside of the junction and bring some sense of a pattern to building height here. A taller building could well be accomodated on the Coca cola site but the design will have to be something really really special and act as a proper landmark not another balcony ridden standard. Something special here please that acts as a proper landmark to the city from the west and respects County hall. The good thing about the Coca cola site is its L shape which could allow for a higher element to rise west to east on the south of the site and peak in the southeast corner before sloping down to the north allowing maintained views of County hall. And when i say slope I mean curves not edges!! :p
Any pics of the Sunbeam thing lex?
@ewankennedy wrote:
A taller building could well be accomodated on the Coca cola site but the design will have to be something really really special and act as a proper landmark not another balcony ridden standard. Something special here please that acts as a proper landmark to the city from the west and respects County hall. The good thing about the Coca cola site is its L shape which could allow for a higher element to rise west to east on the south of the site and peak in the southeast corner before sloping down to the north allowing maintained views of County hall. And when i say slope I mean curves not edges!! :p
That’s my feeling too, the site should be utilised in this case to shape the building itself – an upwarded sloping west-to-east wing peaking in the southwest corner and then sloping downwards to the north allowing generally unobstrusive views to Cork County Hall when travelling east along the Carrigrohane Road from Ballincollig. It would be nice for a sleeker design here not riddled with balconies but smoothly curved elevations. Recreational provision may be allocated in communal grass roof-gardens or park landscaping around and atop of the building.
Great Idea of having high rise at the gate ways to the city.I’m all about the impact and having high rise in Blackpool would be fantastic, especially at night coming down the Mallow Road. Likewise with the Coca-cola site. But at the same time, careful planning and thought out design has to be adhered to. No more Ballymun’s. These new highrise should stand the test of time.
presuming it was built right, that would be an excellent use for the sunbeam site, about time Ireland went high rise, could really start making Cork stand out – love the idea of 12/15 storey buildings as the gates to the city
😎 Almost a year precisely has passed since Charles & Helen McCarthy lodged plans to redevelop their Mill Business Centre premises at Crosses Green with a controversial hotel designed by Derek Tynan & Associates (see image below)…
…the 7-storey proposal of 96-bedrooms created much controversy given its height and proximity to St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral with concerns raised over the damaging effect it would bestow on the Southern Channel vista enjoyed from Sullivans Quay looking west. The plan was ultmately granted subject to a 2-storey reduction and revised bedroom number of 63. Now, a revised plan is to be lodged after assessment of the hotel market in Cork and with respect to viability issues given the permitted developments reduced bedroom numbers. It is understoof Derek Tynan & Associates have been retained to design a new scheme which will see the redevelopment of the Mill Business Centre as a new part 3-storey, part 5-storey open plan office building with river fronting amenity space all over basement parking for 15 spaces.
@lexington wrote:
Now, a revised plan is to be lodged after assessment of the hotel market in Cork and with respect to viability issues given the permitted developments reduced bedroom numbers. It is understoof Derek Tynan & Associates have been retained to design a new scheme which will see the redevelopment of the Mill Business Centre as a new part 3-storey, part 5-storey open plan office building with river fronting amenity space all over basement parking for 15 spaces.
Hopefully, by ‘revised’, they mean ‘redesigned from scratch’. That’s a dull, unimaginative design in any context, but in such a sensitive location, it’s completely out of place.
(And I’m not just saying that because it’s across the road from my home! 😀 )
If the rumour mill is correct then one of Cork’s MOST senior planning officials has been banished to some backwater Dept. called Community and Parks or something.
Disgraceful if true. This guy was one of only a few that supported high rise buildings in Cork.
Anyone with details ??@kite wrote:
If the rumour mill is correct then one of Cork’s MOST senior planning officials has been banished to some backwater Dept. called Community and Parks or something.
Disgraceful if true. This guy was one of only a few that supported high rise buildings in Cork.
Anyone with details ??Ronnie???
*UPDATES*
😎 Frinailla are lodging plans with CorkCoCo for the development of 132 new homes at Castletreasure in Douglas. 44 3-bedroom homes, 10 4-bedroom homes and 1 5-bedroom homes are to be built alongside 77 apartments (11 x 1-bedroom, 60 x 2-bedroom and 6 x 3-bedroom) over 7 blocks ranging in height from 3 to 4-storeys.
@bunch wrote:J O’ D?
So I’ve heard – I think he is being moved to Community & Enterprise whilst Kevin Terry (City Engineer/Roads Dept) is being moved to Planning (feel free to correct me on that). I think Pat Ledwidge is taking over the Docklands Office from Dan Buggy.
Mr. O’Donovan – along with City Manager Joe Gavin and planners like Ronnie McDowell, can be credited as being at the helm of the beginning of one of Cork’s most exciting development phases. Mr. O’Donovan helped clear such vital projects as Frinailla’s CitySquare proposal at Ladyswell to name but one example – and was instrumental in numerous other proposals that have helped Cork regenerate – often despite many realms of opposition. In part, he helped aid a revision of perceptions associated with Cork as a centre for investment by overseeing a planning department that was generally willing to work with developers, architects, planners and engineers to carve better standards of investment and working constructively to realise such proposals. I hope that Mr. Terry – and Mr. Ledwidge who takes office at the brink of substantial docklands redevelopment – can take their positions with a view to the long-term and embrace the years to come with open and thoughtful mindsets, as well as maintaining the demand for higher quality design and development compositions.
I wish Mr. O’Donovan the best of success in his new department.
@lexington wrote:
*UPDATES*
Mr. O’Donovan – along with City Manager Joe Gavin and planners like Ronnie McDowell, can be credited as being at the helm of the beginning of one of Cork’s most exciting development phases. Mr. O’Donovan helped clear such vital projects as Frinailla’s CitySquare proposal at Ladyswell to name but one example – and was instrumental in numerous other proposals that have helped Cork regenerate – often despite many realms of opposition. In part, in helped aid a revision of perceptions associated with Cork as a centre for investment by overseeing a planning department that was generally willing to work with developers, architects, planners and engineers to carve better standards of investment and working constructively to realise such proposals. I hope that Mr. Terry – and Mr. Ledwidge who takes office at the brink of substantial docklands redevelopment – can take their positions with a view to the long-term and embrace the years to come with open and thoughtful mindsets, as well as maintaining the demand for higher quality design and development compositions.
I wish Mr. O’Donovan the best of success in his new department.
😎 And so say all of us.
A measure of Jim O’Donovans professionalism,,,even CSD on their website homepage wish him well http://www.corksouthwest.comBefore I begin this post, I must apologise for the size of the image posted – the image, originally .PNG format seemed to work fine when I received it, but after converting it to .JPG, when I enlarged it, the image blurred terribly, so I reduced the size again – however the blur remained(???) I tried converting it back to its original format but the blur has not changed. I will try scanning the image again soon, but for now…
…this is a perspective of Precinct Investments redevelopment plans for St. Patrick’s Quay and the Metropole Hotel, designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects. The proposal seeks to construct a new mixed-use development which will include the demolition of the much loathed St. Patrick’s Quay extension to the Metropole Hotel fronting St. Patrick’s Quay, the demolition will also include the removal of the recently added leisure centre. 61 residential units, 5 retail units, 87 basement car-parking spaces (over 4 split levels) and a 3556sq m extension to the hotel. In place of the aging extension, a 7-storey block is now proposed which will include conferencing facilities and 44 new bedrooms overhead – as part of additional developmet on the quay, 3 retail units with 34 overhead apartments divided between 2 blocks (5 & 6-storeys with 2-set back levels) including 10 x 1-bedroom units, 19 x 2-bedroom units and 5 x 3-bedroom units. The attractive red-brick building on the corner of Harley Street and St. Patrick’s Quay will be restored and converted to a live/work unit with commercial use at street-level and residential overhead. Fronting Harley Street, 2 retail units are to be provided with 15 overhead apartments in blocks of 4 & 6 storeys with 3-set back storeys – here 4 x 1-bedroom & 11 x 2-bedroom units will be provided. From Harley Street access will also be provided to a courtyard – to this, 1 block rising to 12-storeys over basement will provide an additional 11 x 2-bedroom and 1 x 3-bedroom units. The entire site encompasses 0.2732 hectares and includes the area occupied by the existing Metropole Hotel bounded by Harley Street, St. Patrick’s Quay, MacCurtain Street and the Everyman Palace. An extensive refurbishment of the existing hotel fronting MacCurtain Street (a PS) will also be enacted.
The 12-storey tower element, finished with red-brick materials, according to the architects is intended to act as a landmark/gate-way device in light of the prospective Harley Street Bridge proposed to link Merchants Quay and St. Patrick’s Quay. South across the river, the possibility of a facelifted facade at Merchants Quay is doing the rounds at the rumour mill.
🙂 Joe Gavin, Cork City Manager, has according to a local press publication – confirmed news posted here on this Archiseek.com thread first – that investor Joe O’Donovan has been in active discussion with CCC about the redevelopment of his recently acquired properties at Grand Parade, Market Lane and Patrick’s Street (and possibly Oliver Plunkett Street) for use as a major multi-level higher order retail facility.Related posts may be found here:
1. https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=39356&postcount=475
2. https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=41409&postcount=835
3. https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=43573&postcount=1128(P.S. If anyone has a copy of the article – I understand, in the Evening Echo – I would be greatly appreciative if they could post it up here. Thank you in advance! 😉 )
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