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Government have been working behind the scenes. see Sunday Business Post article:
http://www.sbpost.ie/story.jsp?story=WCContent;id-53810
Other locations being considered. Must move quickly as UEFA tours Dublin 15-16 September for 2008 bid.
Article includes spend on Abbotstown consultants.
Ready, steady….
The silence from government has been deafening. Rumors around that with significant change in scope to 65,000 seats it will be a start over. This gives good reason to abandon past management and give it to OPW and do things professionally. Now about those consortia bids…
mass tourism never did any city any good; the life of a city is separate from tourism; locals only need so many bars; the mix was all wrong and artificial and sowed the seeds now being harvested – what locals visit during the tourist weekends?
Wembley is 90,000 seats and has to include athletics conversion too. We will know in the next few days the capacity for the Bertie Bowl, but certainly much less than Wembley.
What’s in the 70 mil stirling? Land cost? Fittings & equipment? Design fees? Financing charges? Construction cost only? Can stadium accomodate rugby? This is a suspiciously low number.
The Liverpool design takes the UK cheap stadium approach of separating each stand, no way to circulate around stadium within the stadium. This kind of stadium has a very different feel from a full surround. The need for segregation of supporters is not such an issue here.
Word of caution: a national stadium has requirements that a football club stadium doesn’t, especially one to take both soccer and rugby.
Enough negative crap, we now have before us a chance to build an Irish stadium that can be a great place, where the architecture is part of the experience. The transport links have to be part of the game. The edge city site offers as many advantages as disadvantages. Crowd surges from a stadium are not such friendly things for the neighbors in city centres no matter how much attendees may enjoy the journey to and from the stadium.
The arena should be in the heart of the city somewhere. Docklands could be good for architecture, but access might be a problem. An arena should have an event of some kind nearly every night so it becomes an energy generator for city life. Therefore, the closer to the urban core the better. Capacity is much smaller than a stadium so crowds are not such an issue. Arenas have had a positive effect on surrounding development and property values in many places where they have been built in city centres.
However, be careful when thinking arenas are profitable property developments. This is almost never the case.
well said notjim, good cities are full of life and people messing things up, not architectural dream worlds controlled by developers, a little chaos rather than control
fjp, I am most gravely concerned about your civic depression, at least get out and vote for someone who will build something
Relax, FF are here to stay. Bertie will get his stadium, 65,000 seats, and let the rest go for the moment. OPW will run the show. Laura, thanks for the memories.
The GAA was only helping Bertie out with the National Stadium. It looks like it will go ahead after all. It will be interesting to see how the process will be managed with the recent changes at CSID. Any speculations?
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been laying low, taking cover more like it…don’t want to be hit in the crossfire
so Bertie gets elected and the stadium comes to pass after all, OPW runs the show, no one remembers Paddy or Laura, no more fast and loose, or fast and dear
now how to keep the consortia who have submitted proposals interested and not reaching for the phone to call the lawyers????
why do things the easy way when the Irish way is so much more entertaining?
the fun is just beginning – again
i love this country
Peter, you can pay for my subscription too! There is a very big difference in culture, audience, interaction, and attitude between free and pay. Gently, gently.
