B…B…Bertie’s Bowl looks like unmaterializing
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So it looks as if the B…B…Bertie Bowl will finally materialize….and horray to that, at last a National Stadium for us all to be proud of…….but with the cut backs now imposed I suppose we will get another mediocre insignificant attempt of a national public structure…..Typicallly Irish, as like the Millennium celebrations?, small and modest in scale….the only thing that remains large and grandiose is Mrs Harney and her ever expanding wasteline. We will never be a nation of great builders….mediocrity and modesty is the limit of our achievement.
Mary Harney’s waistline has very little to do with this debate. Libelling a government minister is a surefire way of attracting the wrong sort of attention for any website, especially one seeking funding from arts council or other government bodies.
GregF said wasteline, not waistline. Clearly, there’s a difference. Frankly, I’m intrigued.
…a play on words in my dictionary…a wasteline…i.e. a missed opportunity within a time limit…
mis-interpreted by some as one who lives off the fat of the land.the BB should be built but they have gone about this all wrong. It should be a phased development with different components added to it over time. Frankly I think it would be a huge mistake to redevelop Landsdowne Road simply because a residential area should not haver to deal the huge influxes of people these stadia generate. The same applies to Croke Park – although that is hallowed turf. Look at the problems Wembley causes. Best build out of down in a dedicated area.
From John Burns, runs the Irish Curling Association, currently based in Scotland
The Olympic Gold Medal has changed everyone’s vision of curling. Dundonald International Ice Bowl has now offered us ice time in September and thereafter and we will be basing a Development Officer there for two months. We would be delighted to have a party up from Dublin for the day then, and hope they would later be prime movers in curling at Abbotstown when that facility opens.
I’ll keep your name on file and contact you nearer September- if you can be patient till then! Best wishes- John Burnshopefully the recent ice hockey and curling focus will revitalise the ‘peripheral’ activities the BB promised.
anyone interested in the curling trip to Dundonald leave your name with the barman
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there is such oppostion to te b b bertie bowl ecause ppl are not happy for us to be sucsefull it is a bad impression for ppl to come and see are stadium (landsdown road )probaley the wrong spelling other countrys such as wales have fine stadium millenium stadium Rember good work presented badly is still bad work p.s sorry about apling spelling
I was over in Manchester on Tuesday for the United game against Nantes….and wow what a stadium Old Trafford is……puts us Irish in the Dark Ages. We desperately need to have some sort of National Stadium arrangement made…..whether it be the Bertie Bowl, Croke Park or Landsdowne Road redeveloped….sure why not all. With the chance of staging the 2008 European Soccer Championships with our Scotish relatives it is a great opportunity to showpiece Ireland…(By then O’Connell will have been redeveloped too….we hope) It is a wasted chance if we don’t have a go. Alas Mary Harney’e pessimistic views have scuppered plans for Stadium Ireland….and I for one will not vote for her and her political party which hold such mean and frugal conservative concepts.
Whatever happens with this Euro 2008 bid and Croke Park, I think a new stadium will have to be built anyway. I just can’t see the FAI and particularly the IRFU playing their fixtures long-term in a GAA ground. Why would they want to pay rent to the GAA which would then be used to take players away from their respective sports at grass-roots level and towards the GAA?
The IRFU own their own stadium (crap and all as it is), there’s no way they’d want to become tenants of one of their major rivals. In all this furore over Croke Park and Stadium Ireland, nobody seems to have asked either of these associations what they’d loke to do.
By the way, I don’t think an Ireland/Scotland bid would win the championships anyway, purely because 5 of the eight stadia are in just two cities, which would cause enormous crowd control/hooliganism problems.
Looking at the sport pages in the Times today, and I came across the stadiums that could host Euro 2008. Scotland has three football stadiums with over 50,000 capacity. Presently, we have zero. And would it be so bad if football was played at Croke park, even just for Euro 2008.
And another thing, does anyone know of any Irish football league teams stadium’s capacites? And who has the biggest?
As far as Eircom League grounds go, Shelbournes ground, Tolka Park, is probably the biggest – about 10k all-seated, but getting a bit old. Dalymount has had a new stand built and seats put on the old terraces, making it about a 6 or 7k ground, excluding standing.
Longfords ground is actually one of the best in the league. Its about 6k all seater, recently rebuilt and a benchmark for all other regional grounds. Turners Cross in Cork has about the same number of seats but is very constrained development wise by houses all around. None of the rest are really worth talking about as yet.
For all ye who are just interested in english football, the league here is improving, and so what if its not a great standard – if you like football you should support your local team anyway, as well as your english team. If you don’t like football disregard all that.
Dont rule us out, i doubt Turkey/Greece will be successful, due to the violent nature of Turkish supporters, i reckon the main competition is from the Scandinavian countries…
Croke Park will soon be able to hold 80,000+ (pending revised planning permission to allow standing on Hill 16) and it seems likely to me that its only a matter of time before the GAA opens up Croker to “other codes” – the motion last year was only defeated by a tiny majority. The GAA owe the government, and the people; grant aid for Croke Park was very generous, and they know it too.
Also, should Bertie still be Taoiseach in a few months, and it seems likely that he will be, Stadium Ireland will go ahead – support for same has grown considerably (as soon as people copped on that their was a possible bid for a major championships in the pipeline.)
Has anybody looked at the Sports Campus website (http://www.csid.ie) the plan is enormous, no wonder it was costed at €1bn +, there is no reason why we cant start with the stadium itself and then construct the other facilities as finance permits 🙂been laying low, taking cover more like it…don’t want to be hit in the crossfire
so Bertie gets elected and the stadium comes to pass after all, OPW runs the show, no one remembers Paddy or Laura, no more fast and loose, or fast and dear
now how to keep the consortia who have submitted proposals interested and not reaching for the phone to call the lawyers????
why do things the easy way when the Irish way is so much more entertaining?
the fun is just beginning – again
i love this country
Well as one who like Blain has an interest in LOI football and can see the huge potential for two top stadia and teams in Dublin if only Irish business types would invest in the home game. A huge audience and business return awaits the inevitable development of the home game. No reason why Dublin can’t support two top teams and stadia ala Glasgow and in domestic football terms once little Norway.
Norwegian domestic football never had to compete with GAA, Rugby and the deliberate discrimination (Government, Christian Brothers & Gaelgoeries et.all) against Irish domestic soccer that existed here well into the late 70s , this is the main reason we are so lacking in stadia and facilities.
By the way well done Dundalk and to a great club (Shells) football must be won on the pitch. Roll on the World Cup.
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i agree that irish football is not widely followed but with this new campus there may be a renewed interest in all sport and might spur on the interest…it would be nice to see all the stadiums around the country being improved so that maybe in all the major cities we have at least some quality stadiums…as regards the gaa, they are dragging there heels this morning on the issue of playing all sports on there pitches as they are worried about their local pitches being invaded…i say let them off because they are being f**kers about it build a state of the art campus and exclude them from all facilities. why does it need them to be on board?
i don’t see the reason why…they have their own stadium… as a football player and an avid fan i don’t understand the rugby aspect either as it will just make the pitch be like lansdowne…it was disgraceful for the last friendly…with a new stadium we can maybe get a champions league final,uefa cup final or something equally massive and the amount of revenue would be enormous…hopefully the pd’s will drop their small minded objections and like peter said earlier build it in phases to settle out the cost.[This message has been edited by FIN (edited 09 April 2002).]
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