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Landsdowne site is too small to redevelop for a stadium that meets current standards. Also putting this many people into this area of the city is not really a very friendly thing to do to the neighbors.
It is possible to build a stadium with 65,000 seats now and more later – even possible to build a 65,000 now and add 15,000 temporary seats for the big events when they are expected – there won’t be that many of them.
The FAI met yesterday with government for reassurances on Stadium Ireland – a logical move since it was the invisible hand of government that made their Eircom Park scheme likely to lose planning on appeal. Now that they have signed up for the National Stadium one can see why they would want some reassurances with the political noises being heard in advance of the election. No word yet on the outcome of the meetings which is unusual for this city.
battle lines are drawn, could be quite a show
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/09/30/stiireire01003.html?cost can be contained, now if economics and politics support it, it should go ahead in a rational form
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2001/0929/hom1.htmthe audit report has been submitted and now is being politically digested, expect to see this drift some more before a direction is set, especially if the s l o w i n g economy or changing world situation impact opinion
see: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2001/0925/hom9.htm
the audit for the project is being conducted by Highpoint Rendell in London who have hired Bob Stubbs as a consultant – Stubbs just recently fired from Wembley where he spent five years “bringing that project to fruition”
one wonders whether Ireland really needs to be audited by those who have performed so flawlessly on the English FA stadium
word is that the audit will be used to reduce project scope and save CSID and political face
look for 65,000 seats, moveable bits to accomodate GAA games, and moveable roof of some kind
The oversight report on Stadium Ireland due mid month, see http://www.unison.ie/stories.php3?ca=9&si=502537&issue_id=5166
In London, the Carter report is complete on Wembley and the English National Football Stadium, but will not become public until a workable solution has been put together – this is now in process, something should become obvious soon.
dear nono, you should think yesyes
this is already a broad discussion, after all we’ve been talkin about geodesic domes in ohmygod Oklahoma
so bring on your bruce goff
by the way do regular humans like the shiny new minimalist stuff some of our kin are putting out there these days?
My experience has been that clients want project managers when they don’t want to be heavily involved themselves – a way to shed some responsibility, which in reality they can’t do. This certainly limits the kind of building that can be designed for, not with, such a client. The selection of the particular PM is revealing since this will constrain the process in different ways. We all have choices in what we will accept and what we will not. Some opportunities are worth the price, others not.
The final two teams are Bovis Lend Lease and Multiplex. Detailed negotiations are to begin October 1. No information yet on process between now and then.
It will be interesting to watch what happens with Wembley. The Carter report will be issued August 20. Whispers have it that the offer of Multiplex to build & finance (on the back of suite sales guarantees from IMG who were doing the Eircom Park marketing)will come out on top. Should Multiplex end up with Wembley (where they displaced Bovis) will they be able to overcome the perception that they do not have the capacity to do both major projects simultaneously? Though a huge construction company, Multiplex is relatively new to Europe.
You can bet the knives are out on this one.
only two will go forward…http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2001/0806/hom20.htm
here’s the latest: the consortia will now find out Friday, 10 August if they go through to the next round; CSID have sent their recommendations to the Minister of Sport
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Bovis Lend Lease have HOK with RHWL (Eircom designers)- don’t know who Irish component is, Multiplex have Ellerbe Becket with de Blacam & Meagher, Bucholz, & McGarry, and have no word about the quiet German team of Walter Bau. This is all whispers at this stage. Someone else must surely know something to contribute here. If we wait for official word from Laura and Paddy the scheme will be built.
now hearing that the three consortia that will go through to the next round will be notified today…these are expected to be Bovis Lend Lease, Multiplex Brown & Root, and Walter Bau
Back to Bertie Bowl…CSID Board met last Thursday and solidified their recommendations which have gone to Government. Some guess word will filter out about the short, short list in two or three weeks, perhaps two consortia, maybe three to go the next step. Laura and Co. made their decision about a week prior, but needed official blessing as you would expect.
Rory, you should tell us what you really think.
Actually people tour Stade de France everday just to see the building. It is not in an urban location, but land is a problem in central Paris just like it is in Dublin.
Dublin does need an up to date venue for football and rugby and assuming Croke isn’t available it means a new stadium. A venue for 65,000 or more people is hard to site in the centre of a city the age of Dublin and puts enormous pressure on infrastructure.
