Bertie’s Bowl….Sports Campus Ireland
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for such a major project there is almost no information published – and with the public purse involved, one has to wonder if this is acceptable
no word on project managment shortlist or final selection
no word on the audit tenders
no official response to architect panel debacle
no complete listing of consortia bidding for all or part of the project, no listing of those who have dropped out
no information at all – the web site is never updated and the public is not informed
doesn’t this lack of information cause politicians more problems? open communication suggests a logical process and looks like there is nothing to hide; conversely no communication looks like secrets or incompetence
It is my view Deepnote, that the lack of general information available forms part of a strategic plan and for such a sensitive development is unfortunatly understandable. Political ( Bertie Himself ) and management careers could be at stake if things go wrong. This project seems similar in some ways to the competition and design of the Scottish Parliament, where problems were/are looked for and political points are scored if the project runs off course, in any way. People become hostages to fortune and no one yet knows what consortia are going to come up with. and
Careers have already been staked on the project for both politicians (Bertie)and others (Teahon & Magahy)- Bertie has aready damaged himself by doing things alone and in secret rather than by managing information; Teahon and Magahy seem to get plum assignments without competition which should make them more sensitive to the need for information management rather than operating completely outside the public eye. The chance to have the press as an ally has passed, the mistakes that have been made – the lack of competence shown in the initial tender package to the consortia – show the real danger of going it alone and not taking proper advice. The more secret it is the more Bertie should worry because it hasn’t been accomplished in a manner that can build support. Bertie has already been involved in this project in some respects since 1988 so he obviously won’t give up, but as one of the most astute politicians anywhere he has made mistake on mistake this time around.
Deepnote, I have no political point to make here, or axe to grind. It’s not for a Scot to tell the Irish how to run things, God knows we have enough jokers here. I do know though that a building is a tangible physical thing, that can be either a shiboleth or millstone. Adverse critisism will be soon forgotten if the project is a success and even newspapers are next day’s chip wrappers. I agree that the policy should be to disclose information but as in the Scottish Parliament project the politics cannot be seperated from the architecture.
heard DLE were named yesterday as CSID’s project managers, consortia turn in submissions tomorrow 21 June and make presentations late next week
How will the announcement be made, does any one know? Not via the RIAI website, I hope.
Is it likely also there will be an exhibition of proposals, before a winner is chosen?
architectural input to the CSID DLE led project management team will be provided by KSS a london based practice with some sports background – though not really major projects – who happened to have beaten both HOK and ellerbe becket for a small stadium complex in haifa, israel earlier this year
the consortia bid presentations set for this week have been cancelled – one assumes that the new project manager needs to get up to speed on the project. whether presentations will happen at all is unclear, but if so not until late july
wouldn’t it be nice to get real information from csid about all of this? since public funds are involved…time to share the excitement
wonders…a little information
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2001/0627/hom9.htmhear the consortia are making presentations this week – mostly about money; anyone know anything else?
We don’t need this overblown heap of shite out in Blanchardstown. Wouldn’t it be better if they spent the 1 billion plus money on making Dublin a beautiful city, with beautiful buildings and environments. A billion pounds could make the docklands an amazing place.
Lets face it – whio goes to Paris to look at (and not attend an event in) Stade de France?
Rory, you should tell us what you really think.
Actually people tour Stade de France everday just to see the building. It is not in an urban location, but land is a problem in central Paris just like it is in Dublin.
Dublin does need an up to date venue for football and rugby and assuming Croke isn’t available it means a new stadium. A venue for 65,000 or more people is hard to site in the centre of a city the age of Dublin and puts enormous pressure on infrastructure.
Rory, have you ever considered writing for a national newspaper?
Stade de France is well visited and made Paris a “serious” contender for the Olympics, wherein lies the big regeneration money. Ask Dave Mackay, John Denton and the 2.3 billion Chinese.
Also, Dublin is a beautiful city.
No haven’t considered Journalism thanks.
OK we do need a suitable venue for events but do we need to spend a billion on it. We must seriously examine why it costs £1 billion when they can build a stadium to host the world cup finals in Korea for $85 million. No doubt it is the “consultancy fees”.
I agree that Dublin is a beautiful city, but it is in dire need of (1) Cleaning (2) Educating people to respect the city environment (3) Traffic calming (4) Improving street funiture (5) Quality control in terms of new buildings – the government could lead by example (6) Better policing especially traffic and littering (8) Public transport (9) New streets and areas opened up. etc etc.
Laissez-faire economics do not work in this country as the developers are allowed to build basically whatever they want so long as it is made of Brick and has a clocktower or some other cheesy gimmick like that – the Government could spend a billion on quality Architectually designed buildings and lead by example. I just think it would produce a better environment for all the people.
We must question the costings on this thing (£300 from everyone in the state).
In terms of asking the 2.3 Billion Chinese, if the man on the street there were not to 100% endorse the olympics they would probably be shot. The olympics is only going to be a big party for the Communist Party faithful – if you beleive it will make the place any better for the average joe, good luck to you.
We want a big stadium just like every other Banana republic.
Rory, that’s some list of concerns and opinions.
I know though, through visiting Beijing that the Olympics has already made a difference to the “ordinary joe’s” living in that city and will continue to do so up to and beyond 2008. I am going again in about six weeks so will keep you posted. That China should have been awarded the games in the first place is another matter that has nothing really to do with regeneration or architecture, but could result in a reduction to the total influence on the communist party that you mention.
Ted Turner said that the the power of the soviet union would colapse when Coca Cola and cable T.V was freely available and their ordinary joe’s could see what they were missing.
As for infrastructure, street furniture and cleansing, these problems face every city including my own, Glasgow and much of the crap is caused by my fellow Glaswegians, the same ones probably complaing about cost of the parliament. I also know however that the parliament has kick started other regeneration proposals in Edinburgh which were previously on hold or flagging due to lack of money and interest, including street furniture, infrastucture and cleansing
Back to Bertie Bowl…CSID Board met last Thursday and solidified their recommendations which have gone to Government. Some guess word will filter out about the short, short list in two or three weeks, perhaps two consortia, maybe three to go the next step. Laura and Co. made their decision about a week prior, but needed official blessing as you would expect.
now hearing that the three consortia that will go through to the next round will be notified today…these are expected to be Bovis Lend Lease, Multiplex Brown & Root, and Walter Bau
who are the architects involved, do you know?
Bovis Lend Lease have HOK with RHWL (Eircom designers)- don’t know who Irish component is, Multiplex have Ellerbe Becket with de Blacam & Meagher, Bucholz, & McGarry, and have no word about the quiet German team of Walter Bau. This is all whispers at this stage. Someone else must surely know something to contribute here. If we wait for official word from Laura and Paddy the scheme will be built.
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