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@PTB wrote:
I’m actually quite surprised that anyone would bemoan the fact that green space is being created. Cork is a city without a great amount of green, open spaces. I quite appreciate the fact that the architects have decided to allocate that much parkland rather than cramming the site with buildings and making more money out of all the office space.
If the Cork docklands are to become an extension of the city centre then development should be urban in form, i.e. there should be streets, squares etc. This building while quite dramatic seems to be set in a business park/campus setting. Green space can be incoporated in the form of parks or a linear park with cycle ways along the river bank. The docklands needs to be developed in a high density manner if things like light rail linking it to the city centre are feasible.
Cork city lacks parks that’s true, Fitzgerald park is just a bit off city centre to be Cork’s Stephen’s Green and the peace Park is a bit small. I’m not sure low density office blocks surrounded by a few acres of lawn are much use though, look at City West in Dublin!
High density needs a master plan and great design.
God that image says it all. A lot of folk associate vernacular with primitive thatched cottages and poverty so they’ll take the shiny new bungalow thanks very much!
Yeah it’s a pity that hedgerows or ditches as we call them in rural Ireland aren’t preserved. Some place like Clare compell people to build stone faced walls as if these cod traditional features look well. The bungalow builders if they do plant a hedge it’s usually of the leylandia variety which of couse look as out of place as any bungalow in the irish counrtyside. When was the last time you saw someone plant a mixed Irish hedge with whitethorn, ash, etc in the mix?
I know Liberty Hall has a bad reputation that isn’t completely deserved but I don’t think it adds much to that vista.
The IFSC looks well pity the subsequent buildings in the IFSC are so mediocregreat post, Breen, good to hear from a “man on the ground” as it were. Some counties have made more efforts than others though. County Cork isn’t as bad as neighbouring Kerry or Limerick. Towns like Clonakilty seem like really nice towns to live in.
You’re right about the townies thing though. People that grew up on farms never like to live in the town, it’s just another manifestation of Ireland’s housing apartheid, albeit one that isn’t referred to. One thing I notice though is guys who grew up in the village are building out the country, social climbing, Irish style.
The culture of the self build is quite strong now in rural ireland, that’s what people want. It’s just a pity that this building isn’t confined in zoned areas in around existing villages/towns.
Devin wrote:The ‘green belt’ is a flawed and outdated planning concept]Cork city has green belts with satellite towns like Ballincolling and Carraigaline absorbing a lot of the sprawl. Carraigaline was recently found to be the most car dependent town in Ireland. At least Cork still has some green space around it.
There’s another school of thought that says our villages have been preserved by having development taking place outside, not a very convincing problem I know. Another problem is that new developments in our towns and villages are usually mind numbing cul de sac, could be anywhere rubbish that are not necessarily aimed at locals but commuters or holiday homes.
@Praxiteles wrote:
If Mosaic 1 is viewing, please note that he should look at Charleville and possibly Killmallock churches as both contain moaisc work most probably by Ludwig Oppenheimer. I have some photogrtaphs and will post same soon,
Happy new year to you too, Praxiteles. Would love to hear something about the churches in Kilmallock and Charleville as I’m from the area. I was in Kilmallock last Sunday and it’s a beautiful church. Good choir there too.
bit harsh there, hardly vaudeville! I take it you don’t approve of concerts/recitals in churches/cathedrals?
btw have you heard the Jesuitchurch in Limerick is closing the one on the Cresent?
@A-ha wrote:
The city was jammers today, did everyone head off to the sales? Mahon Point was such an improvement for the NEXT sale than the one in Douglas. It was really packed, almost everything was gone by 7am. I hope everyone had a great Christmas and that they have a Happy New Year too.
No wonder the “architecture” was dropped from the title of this thread!:D
Court house looks very well now, scandal it took so long to complete.
Yeah it’s a shame that it’s not at the end of some long vista. The Fransiscan church behind the courthouse suffers from this as well. Not sure if that Bysantine concotion is everybody’s cup of tea@Graham Hickey wrote:
I dare you to advocate cables in front of her face – look at her there, shivering in the corner. How could you be so cruel to such a defenceless creature?
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Plenty of cluttter there already!
I can’t help thinking this is just bluff from the PDs. They’ve been in power for most of the last 20 years and look at the mediocre architecture in the docklands.
The port tunnel was designed and built on the assumption that the port tunnel was remaining where it is. If they were going to move it. It should have happened then,
A big Transport plan was unveiled a few weeks ago with no mention of this. Land use and transport planning should go together.
@millennium wrote:
This is an ambitious idea that incorporates a vision of a Dublin which wishes to make a statement about where it wants to be, and be seen to be, in the 21st century. It is certainly more Boston than Berlin but with a sprinkling of a SanFrancisco or a Sydney to try and raise the City profile even higher. The City and the Bay should complement each other and not turn their backs on each other as largely happens at present. The Loop Line bridge and the development of the Port of Dublin have effectively separated the City from the Bay for the last 200 years. While recent docklands developments have retaken possession of part of the Port, the Port itself is relentlessly expanding.
The Bay should return to being the lung of the City rather than the bladder.
Yes I know some of the images are crude and to many Planners the whole idea is presposterous. However, look what the island of Singapore has achieved in less than 40 years in an island state with no resources of its own. It can be done. It’s a question of belief!Why is it more ” Boston than Berlin”? Berlin is has plenty of high rise building. Anyway this hackneyed phrase is used more for comparing Europe’s high tax welfare economy to America’s low tax low welfare model.( Kind of ironic because in America Boston is in “Taxachussets”)
@Praxiteles wrote:
Re # 376:
Well Antho, I have provided whatever information I could find re. the important small group of medieval churches in Ireland in continuous Catholic use. Reflecting on them, it strikes me that you have the outlines of a history of approaches to restoration in Ireland. Clearly, A.W.N. Pugin was most influential in Adare with resultant sympathetic results. Ballintobber, seems to have had a complicated restoration history and finally suffered an albeit minor re-ordering that is reversible. Holy Cross and Graiguenamanagh (while architecturally excellently carried out) came on stream late enough to suffer an insensitive liturgical adaptation that takes little or no account of the buildings. Do you think that a fair comment?
Thanks Prax. Most informative as always!
Shouldn’t we use the term neoclassical rather than Georgian, same thing in Dublin’s case but seems more precise. Anyway the Royal hospital in Kilmainham started in 1680 (?) is the first of the Neoclassical buildings and so predates George.
Molesworth street near the Dail has some of those Dutch gables.
Any baroque architecture in Dublin?
I’m sure a lot of the Medieval stuff was lost when the Geogrian stuff was built. I’m sure the Wide Street commision were not too interested in conservation! Some medieval street patterns still exist of course.
