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Originally posted by lexington
Hey lads! How’s it going? The Guy & Co site on Cornmarket Street is actually owned by the O’Donoghue/Ring families, they own the Munster Joinery in Ballydesmond near Mallow and a string of hotels in Killarney including the lovely Killarney Plaza. Money is no object! They applied for PP for 80 apartments and 7 retail units pretty much along the same design as the original hotel they’d planned 3 years ago. It’s a shame the hotel didn’t get the green-light – it was aesthetically beautiful and would be a far greater asset than more apartments to Cork.So why didn’t it get permission?
why do the papers always get quotes from these idiots. The local free rags in Dunb Laoghaire are full of quootes ffrom wanna be councillors at the moment saying how the new building for Carlisle pier is “ianappropriate” and the rest. Why don’t they balance the article(s) by quoting someone (like an architect) that thinks its progressive etc. Always appealing to the Nimbyist mentallity
But this building is not in the town but in the suburbs, am I correct? Suppossed to act as a gateway building….
Ok bit harsh, but his not the greatest media performer. I still feel an T should be trying to bring people on board by persuading intead of sounding so dogmatic.
From the Sunday Business Post…………
Misery for Mansfield
25/04/04 00:00
By Niamh Connolly
The steel structures of Jim Mansfield’s part-built convention centre are a testament to the property owners’ determination to realise his dream.
But Mansfield’s plan for the 6,000-seat facility at the City- West Hotel in Dublin unravelled spectacularly last week when he was refused planning permission by An Bord Pleanala.
The former truck driver-turned-millionaire machinery trader, property investor, hotelier and airfield owner, is considering a judicial review of the planning process that allowed An Taisce to lodge objections to the
development.
The former South Dublin City manager, Frank Kavanagh, who began as Mansfield’s planning consultant within days of quitting the Council in 2001, distanced himself from the CityWest debacle this weekend.
“I would advise Jim of the process and then it’s a matter for Jim to make a decision,” he said.
Kavanagh said he could not comment on unauthorised development at Weston Aerodrome, owned by Mansfield, as this was now before the High Court.
Mansfield first announced his €50 million convention centre in an interview with The Sunday Business Post last November.
His CityWest Hotel development had been the subject of a number of retention applications, but had been completed without legal difficulties. Mansfield has strong Fianna Fail links, and the CityWest Hotel has been the venue for successive Fianna Fail ard fheiseanna.
The developer was amused that the government’s own national convention centre would cater for only 2,000 delegates.
“It will take four to five years to build their centre,” he told The Sunday Business Post.
South Dublin County Council ordered the developer to stop work on the centre until the mandatory deadline for objections had elapsed, after reading of his plans in this newspaper.
According to senior planning official Abe Jacob, Mansfield was warned that he proceeded with construction at his own peril.
AnTaisce was last week vindicated by An Bord Pleanala for objecting to Mansfield’s centre.
An Bord Pleanala ruled the centre would be inappropriately located; would contravene regional planning policies; and was unsustainable due to poor public transport provision.
In radio phone-ins last week, the public had little sympathy for the business tycoon, hoping the ruling would serve as a warning to developers that planning laws are not just for the “little people”.
Planning controversies are hardly new to the colourful entrepreneur who bought machinery used in the 1982 Falklands war from the British government at a discount price, and sold it back in Britain for £100 million.
He can now expect the local authorities and An Bord Pleanala to turn its attention to other projects with which he is associated.
Mansfield is embroiled in a High Court action taken by South Dublin County Council over unauthorised developments at Weston Aerodrome in Lucan, Co Dublin.
South Dublin County Council was informed last week that Weston has not complied with a requirement to halt further works to the end of the runway.
As reported in this newspaper, EU ministers were escorted by the Minister for Finance, Charlie McCreevy, to lunch at Mansfield’s country estate, Palmerstown House, near Naas in County Kildare.
The historic 600-acre demesne is also the subject of a probe by An Bord Pleanala into unauthorised development.
Mansfield constructed an 18-hole golf course on 200 acres of the 600-acre estate without first receiving planning permission. He was called to appear before an oral hearing of An Bord Pleanala in March.
Kildare County Council had granted Mansfield permission to retain the unauthorised golf course in October. Three separate parties, including An Taisce, complained to An Bord Pleanala, which is to make a ruling on May 13.
The golf course forms part of a wider plan by Mansfield for a 2,600-seat conference centre, a 278-bedroom hotel, 59 detached houses and 65 golf resort houses passed by Kildare County Council.
An Taisce believes the development breaches planning and EU Environmental Impact Assessment Regulations, and will compromise and endanger the landscape and historic qualities of the listed house.
Separately, a complaint has been lodged with Kildare County Council about the unauthorised demolition and reconstruction by Mansfield of a building that forms part of Palmerstown House’s protected structure.
Mansfield’s plan for a private day hospital on the grounds of Palmerstown House includes a three storey over-basement building, 351 car spaces and two new access entrances.
It has been objected to by a number of parties, including Labour’s Kildare North TD Emmet Stagg.
McCreevy said in the Dail that he had introduced tax break for private hospital developers in response to lobbying by constituents from Kildare.
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I hear that Jimmy Deenihan FG TD said that it was disgrace that this guy was refused planning permission. He said this at the Fibe Gael Ard Rheis that just so happened to be held at City West. The Politicians bought into Edge City development years ago.
and a new shopping centre for Dun Laoghaire where the old Shell Garage was, between the Pavillion and Gerges Street Shopping centre has been given the go ahead
Originally posted by Andrew Duffy
This is the tower in Grand Canal Basin; construction is due to start this summer I think:
Jaysus, looks like the well loved Liberty Hall!!
sounds good. Things do seem to be happening in Cork alright. I remember living there 96-99 and not much seemed to be happening. Think that Celtic Kitten was a bit late arriving to Cork. Good to see the retail being expanded in the city centre. When Mahon point opens it might suck alot of punters away from the city centre.
whatever happened to the the site oppossite the Bodega on the Coal Quay, planning for a hotel was refused there a few years ago? Any developments since? Knowing Cork probably not…………..
yeah cycling is definitely the way to go. It’s a great way of linking up to public tranport as well. Lots of people drive to dart stations for example. Try cycling that mile or 2, great way of getting a bit of fresh air. It’s a shame more offices don’t have changing and shower facilities to encourage people to cycle to work aswell. As for the fairer sex not cycling well I think a lot of them think its a bit of a sweaty business, might ruin their hair etc.
Phil,
Yeah I agree Dun Laoghaire can be dead in the evening although the pier and the seafront is quiet popular of a summer evening. Dun Laoghairre has a few problems, most of the South side middle class types prefer to do their socialising in places like Blackrock or Dalkey. Dun Laoghaire seems to have this reputation of being a bit rough, (read working class types)
Also Dun Laoghaire and surrounding area is old. Maybe the rezoning of the Golf course will change this. Its understandable that people are worried about traffic but I mean this is a site that isn’t far (about amile?) froma town centre with all the amenities.
I see Eamon Ryan (Green party) was on Prime Time Last night telling us we are building houses in thye wroing places, futher and further away from where we nedd them. But, hello, why are the Green party oppossed to the rezoning of the Golf course when it meets most of his criteria?
well it makes sense for Dun Laoghaire to be a Major town Centre coz it is a Major Town Centre!! Anyway can’t it be both, where’s the conflict in developing the pier and it being a residential area? Are all resedential areas suppossed to be sleepy places where nothing happens??
this decision isn’t going down too well with the public judging from letters to the times. Getting Leaflets from some some PD wannabe councillor saying its a disgrace as is the rezoning of Dun Laoghaire golf course, propably plays well with the locals.
All the same yer man Daniel Libeskind’s (or however ya spell it) design seemed more interesting, sexy, dramatic etc.
