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hi, i’m just reviving this thread as iwish to extend my humle abode into my rather humble back yard. I think i’m exwmt except that to really make it worth my while I think my remaining back garden/yard will go under the 25 square metres i’m suppose to have left. Looks like I’ll have to get planning permission i SUPPOSE.
Where can i get my hands on publications so i can get some ideas on the type of extensions possible. I’d like to get the most excellent design and maximise the opportunity. any stuff on the web from irish architects who do this?
@BTH wrote:
It was a nice old building alright and it was extremely sneaky how they went about getting it demolished…
However in fairness, the replacement has a certain elegance – it’s a good example of a modern “grain” building as in it dosent scream too loudly for attention in the streetscape…
Quite nicely proportioned opes as well!
Still I agree that sheer greed was the driving force behind this particular corner of the development.I was actually walking around up there for the first time on Friday (after being dumped in Smithfield off the Luas because of the riots) and it’s definitely a very impressive development in general. The emphasis seems to be on quality materials and detailing which is a welcome change. Theres great permeability through the blocks, even though some of the lanes in the middle are potentially a bit grim if retailers turn their backs on them like the new “fresh” store (otherwise pretty exemplary for a supermarket) does.
It’s also quite eerie at the moment with so much emptiness – these lovely streets with absolutely nothing and noone on them. Definitely worth experiencing before tacky signage starts to colonize the place!
An awful lot will depend on the mix of retailers. If they get the balance right it has the potential to be a whole new shopping hub for the city, eventually connecting across to the new Markets area. If they can’t attract at least one or two destination retailers (im thinking Borders Books, Virgin Megastore, NikeTown, etc) then i’d see them having huge difficulty in making it a viable and vibrant place to travel to to from the city core to shop.Be nice if there was a bit of evening life there as well. The whole north side is pretty quite a night except for where Temple bar has spilled over the hay-penny bridge.
while I’d be in favour of high quality development with a good density near the city I think this look like a very sensitive location that’s worth conserving. There must be more brown field (dock road etc.) sites that should be developed before this area is touched.
A letter to the Irish Times can have a good impact. A letter to the council, local TD, councillor esp. the more visually aware ones like the Greens etc.
Cobh certainly is an attractive place but it seems to have an image problem when you talk to Cork people. They will tell you it’s rough, has lots of unmarried mothers etc. I think it suffers from it’s past as a Navy/Dockers/British Garrison town. It doesn’t attract the middle classes like Kinsale for example.
I don’t mean to slag off Cobh, I’ve always enjoyed it and there is some great architecture in the town (spoiled somewhat by the PVC windows plague) but it does have image problems.
Let’s face it the green belt around there is severly compromised already. I’d be more worried about sprawl further out Lisnagry/Annacotty etc.
Still a crap plan. It’s ludicrous that there are 2 jurisdications looking after Limerick city and suburbs
@Morlan wrote:
That won’t work hear, will it? A complete ban on the stuff is the only way, which will also never happen here.
Not one for civil liberties are we!
Thank God we still live in a free country. I accept that with with freedom comes responsibilities like disposing of chewing gum and treating public space and fellow citizens with respect. But banning something like chewing gum seems draconian and excessive State intervention in peoples lives.
@Tuborg wrote:
There was a great opportunity to build a free-flowing interchange at rossbrien as its a site with plenty of open space with little or no constraints and although this isnt a bad attempt it still falls a bit short of full free-flowing status,according to the environmental impact study all traffic movements will be catered for on the rossbrien interchange with the exception of citybound N20 traffic to the childers road, this seems a curious decision as this means that current access to the city on the N20 will be eliminated, maybe this was the reason for the existing dual carriageway terminating at the temporary roundabout at rossbrien and not at the childers road. It seems a rather ill thought out plan if im honest, its only going to mean extra pressure on the existing ballysimon interchange which is woefully under capacity and also the new dock road interchange which is planned as a dumbell(2 rounabouts with sliproads). It also looks like there will be no access to the childers road from the existing ring road(dublin, waterford,tiperary traffic etc). So therefore the current link road from the childers road to the current junction of the N7 ring road phase 1 and the N20 will be reserved for southbound traffic.
As for why there are no motorways planned for the limerick area, the limerick to nenagh route was planned as a motorway but about a year ago it was downgraded to a high quality dc with little or no fuss, no opposition from local politicians or anything:confused: , also the first phase of the ring road is whats known as a motorway standard dual carriageway with proper grade separated junctions etc, its got all the characteristics of a motorway except the blue signs.One of the nra’s favourite reasons for not awarding motorway status is a lack of an alternative route for non motorway traffic, yet there is no such problems here as the old dublin road remains open to traffic. For me its all about political will, we just dont have a strong enough voice to lobby for what we need and want. It serves us right, we never stand up for ourselves down here, we just sit here and take whatever is thrown at us!, be it from the dublin media or the government:mad:
ah yes the Dublin Meeja!!
I see a cyclist was killed last week in Dublin by a truck, Stoneybater area I think. Trucks and bikes just don’t mix
Not Gothic revival but still of interest….
From Limerick Leader
Jesuit Church in €3m sale?By JENNIFER O’CONNOR
THE Jesuit Sacred Heart Church on the Crescent will be put up for sale by the end of January and could be sold for up to €3m.
Auctioneers overseeing the sale have told the Limerick Leader that once the final touches on the sale documents have been completed that they will begin their marketing campaign on the historic city centre building.
And industry sources say that the premises could fetch up to €3 million when it is put up for sale on the open market.
Des O’Malley, of Sherry Fitzgerald O’Malley Auctioneers on O’Connell St said: “We haven’t received the final instructions on the sale yet and are still putting the final touches to the brochures on the premises, but we are expecting it to be put on the open market in late January. Because of this we cannot confirm at what valuation the premises will be placed on the market.”
“There will be three lots-the Jesuits residence will be lot one, the church will be lot two, and the entire building consisting of the residence and church will be lot three,” Mr O’Malley explained.
The auctioneers paid a number of visits to the Jesuit premises in December to take measurements and to place an estimated value on the building. They presented a report on their work to the Jesuit order in late December and Mr O’Malley said that they are expecting major interest in the property from the public and private sector.
“Given the nature of the lot, we are expecting a lot of interest. The residence is an interesting building and is the size of two Georgian houses so it may be a good business structure. The future use of the church depends on what people could reasonable foresee it being used for,” he said.
@alan d wrote:
two quick answers.
Yes it incorporates the protected structure.
Events dear boy, events scuppered the schemes. Got caught up in a lot of things happeninging at the same time in Ireland. Protected Structures. National Elections, Local Politics. Debate over Planning Policy. Rural Homes. An Taisce. Scottish Architects being inexperienced in how the planning system worked in Ireland.
That kind of thing
….. how the planning system worked in Ireland.
didn’t know it worked!!:)
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Yes, I’m not sure what has happened to Lexington these days, but I’m sure he’ll let us know in his own good time!!
Cork City Council have opened (for UCC students and staff) the first phase
of the walkway which runs from the Mardyke to the western boundary of the
UCCMercy University Hospital (MUH) lands at the North Mall. UCC has
constructed a connecting link walkway which provides access to their North
Mall Campus.
The overall project when completed by City Council (expected end January)
will extend the entire length of the riverbank through the jointly owned
lands and terminate at the entrance gates to the North Mall adjacent to
Distillery House. This is being facilitated through close co-operation
and land transfers between the University, Cork City Council and Mercy
University Hospital.
The walkway is a key part of teh UCC physical master plan and will provide
easy pedestrian access to current and future developments at the North
Mall.
The City Council have committed to providing public lighting on the
pathway which will be installed in the coming months.A map of the walkway is located here.
Wow, That sounds great! I used to work near there and often wished there was river walk that linked the city to FitzGearld Park and or the Lee Fields. It’s a lovely part of the City. Hopefully people will respect it and not liiter/leave beer cans etc. Hopefully!!
Well done to all concerned!
Great Picture Radioactiveman!
@Tuborg wrote:
Its good to see most people have a bit of sense on this site, the design of the new strand hotel is a disgrace and totally out of character with the rest of the buildings in this area!,anyone who thinks otherwise are just kidding themselves, no wonder we have such mediocre developments cropping up if thats the attitude some people have! i know the pic isnt the best, i found it on altavisata shane,its a image search engine, that was all i could find on the web, no decent plans of the exact layout of the site or anything, i dont think the strand even have a website, its just very dissapointing that they can get away with such an unimaginative design in such a prominent location, somebody’s obviously not doing their job properly in city hall!By the way Maskhadov, the development has started,its been going on for around 2 months at this stage, supposedly due to open in late 2006/early 2007,cant see it myself but i spose seen as it looks like its basically made from lego we should’nt be surprised!
Also justnotbothered i dont know what you’re getting at here, i’ve never even heard of boards.ie, would you like to explain this comment?
Surely City Hall can only deal with the developments that come before it. Can they actually reject a building because it is unimaginative? I mean if it ticks all the boxes ( I know these are minimal) then I suppose it can grant permission and maybe recommend alterations, If there was some area plan in place for the riverside with this critical location earmarked for a landmark building (a much over used phrase these days I agree) then they could reject it on the grounds that it is too boring but otherwise they can only deal with what comes before them. Hopefully buildings like Riverpoint will raise the bar of projects and we’ll get better developmens. Would we have seen Riverpoint if the Clarion had’nt been built first. But I do agree the proposed Strand Hotel is bland.
One thing that City Hall IS responsible for is the disgraceful spread of PVC windows in Georgian Limerick but that’s another story…….
@BTH wrote:
I assume your’e talking about the Limerick County Council Offices by Bucholz McEvoy – one of the most interesting and environmentally innovative buildings completed in Ireland in recent times. Just a pity about it’s context, cast adrift amidst the very worst of commercial tin box architecture….
Does it help to lift the area? Maybe it’ll set an example to future development out there but that’s probably being optimistic!
Why Limerick county council would want their hq in Limerick City suburbs is another story. Why not Newcastlewest. They might as well have left them in Limerick city as move them where they are. No doubt there’s more parking in the suburbs.
As a matter of interest what happened to the old County Council buildings in the city (Georgian buildings near the Cresent)
