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  • #753618
    Limerick Guy
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    tbh i dont think such a bad idea because its the part which is covered by water at hight tide which will be developed, there wont be too much building on the vegetation/marshland.

    #753619
    hailtothechimp
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    @justnotbothered wrote:

    Please tell me I’m not the only one who objects to this development terrorism? This pie in the sky project would be a disaster for Limerick. The Westfields Wetlands have been recognised as one of the few urban wetlands in Europe, any attempt to destroy them (which this plan effectively is) must be resisted, If they feel the need to invest such sums of money in the Limerick region, can I suggest that the dockland area of Limerick is far more deserving of investment? If the city council agree to this monstrosity of a plan it will be the second parkland they have desecrated within a year, good work city council!

    The suggestion that such a huge development should take place in or around the Wetlands is absolutely outrageous as far as I’m concerened. I fully agree that this unique area needs all the protection it can get…particularly at a time of rampant (and often indiscriminate) expansion.

    We’ll wait and see how serious this all is before rushing ot judgement, but forgive me if I appear cynical regarding any assurances about the ‘minimal’ effects it will (allegedly) have on the Wetlands themselves. Walking out to Barrington’s Pier is still (despite the busy road) a very pleasant experience and the view across the river, from the ‘Steamboat Quay’ side is one to make the heart glad, expecially at sunset.

    If this is really a serious proposition then I think action needs to be taken to stop the rape of a true asset to the city.

    #753620
    hailtothechimp
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    @Maskhadov wrote:

    I think if the development is done in a careful and well thought out way I would totally back the proposal.

    What are the chances of that? And if it’s simply going to be ‘Luxury Apartments’ what possible civic benefit is there in such a venture?

    #753621
    hailtothechimp
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    @ShaneP wrote:

    Thanks Limerick Guy, will have make a trip out there next time I’m home, the views of the area from town are fairly class – would hate to see it change.

    Here are a few more pics (of the area) from my personal collection.

    Looking back towards the Shannon Bridge (and Clarion) from Barrington’s Pier:

    Ditto:

    Looking away from Limerick (on Barrington’s Pier):

    Barrington’s Pier itself:

    Westfields Wetlands:

    And again…

    People walk/jog/cycle in this area every single day. It is being used for the exact purposes one would want, so any changes should surely be ones that add to (rather than detract from) its ‘recreational’ potential.

    #753622
    Limerick Guy
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    first of all great pics hailtothechimp. just to let everyone know in the first two pics the tide is fully in, i think the land which is going to be built upon is actually under water in those first two pics.

    #753623
    hailtothechimp
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    @Limerick Guy wrote:

    first of all great pics hailtothechimp. just to let everyone know in the first two pics the tide is fully in, i think the land which is going to be built upon is actually under water in those first two pics.

    Thanks. Though the tide is in in the pics, my understanding is that the entire area between the Shannon (at low tide) and the main road is included in the proposed project. Even if that’s not the case, I find it impossible to believe that such a huge development could be built on the ‘underwater area’ without causing significant disruption to the rest of the area.

    If nothing else, the greenery would be completely obscured from the far bank of the Shannon by the proposed buildings.

    #753624
    anto
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    while I’d be in favour of high quality development with a good density near the city I think this look like a very sensitive location that’s worth conserving. There must be more brown field (dock road etc.) sites that should be developed before this area is touched.

    #753625
    Maskhadov
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    €1.5bn development planned for Limerick site on banks of Shannon
    Karl Hanlon

    Plans to transform a wetland area in Limerick city along the banks of the Shannon with a €1.5 billion riverfront development are progressing swiftly, according to the consortium behind the project.

    Promoters of the development confirmed that Limerick City Council had welcomed the project “in principle” and that other statutory bodies would now be consulted to move it to the next stage.

    The project, which is being promoted by the Riverdeep Consortium, would mark the biggest development ever carried out in Limerick.

    If it goes ahead it would also become the biggest infrastructural development on the river Shannon since the construction of the Ardnacrusha power station in the 1920s.

    It is proposed that the massive development would be built on a narrow 50-acre site which stretches nearly a mile along the banks of the Shannon in Limerick city. Up to half of this wetland area, which is subject to flooding, would have to be reclaimed from the river with the construction of a massive dyke.

    Five piers would be built in separate units, linked by a boardwalk, with each unit featuring 12-storey high pods housing apartments, a hotel, offices, a shopping complex and a gymnasium.

    One of the biggest obstacles facing Riverdeep will be the preservation of a designated conservation area adjoining the site. However, it is understood the developers are proposing to set aside a significant budget to protect the area during construction.

    Engineer Ned Sheedy, who is fronting the Riverdeep consortium, said the project was very much in keeping with the city council’s stated aim of promoting Limerick as a riverside city.

    “There are a few hurdles to be negotiated, but this will bring life back into the city,” he said.

    The other members of the consortium have not been publicly identified, but it is understood it also includes local auctioneers and solicitors.

    It has not been revealed how the consortium aims to finance the development which property sources estimate could cost €500 million to build, with a finished value of up to €1.5 billion.

    “At this point in time we can’t disclose details of the financial operation, but financing this operation will not be a difficulty,” Mr Sheedy said.

    Following their meeting with council officials, the consortium must now open negotiations with the Office of Public Works, the Department of the Marine, the Department of the Environment and the EU.

    The council currently owns some of the land in the proposed site, while the title of the mud flats along the riverfront is currently unclear.

    Councillor Jim Long, who was approached by the developers for advice, said he would back the ambitious project as long as the consortium fulfilled all its statutory obligations.

    The Riverdeep consortium said that construction work could start within 18 months.

    http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/0228/3591426011HM2LIMERICKRIVER.html

    © The Irish Times

    I hope this project works out for the best. Cities need high density near the center but of course to a high standard while not being elitest,

    The fact that things are progressing quickly is great news!!

    #753626
    J.P
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    Hello again everybody havent posted anything in a while but im still an avid reader of all the very interesting comments made here.
    I am very nterested in this new proposed development on the river bank beside westfields.This area of land floods in high tide according to the authorities.
    I wonder what will happen to the water displaced by the new development.Has there been a study done on the flooding aspects of this new development.?

    #753627
    mopeds
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    From Reading that article it is clear the developers want to protect the wetlands while developing some really valuable land close to the city.I am well in favour of this development. The more great building projects that go up in Limerick. The more fantastic the city will look.

    Lets hope it gets the go ahead.

    #753628
    Maskhadov
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    I am looking forward to seeing some artist impressions of what this is going to look like. I hope its high dentsity. Something in line with the hotel would look well IMO.

    #753629
    mopeds
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    Wouldnt that look cool, 2 tall buildings as you enter or leave Limerick via the river. Kinda look like a fort protection

    #753630
    justnotbothered
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    @mopeds wrote:

    From Reading that article it is clear the developers want to protect the wetlands while developing some really valuable land close to the city.I am well in favour of this development. The more great building projects that go up in Limerick. The more fantastic the city will look.

    Lets hope it gets the go ahead.

    Are you stone crazy? how do you protect wetlands while simultaneously building on them? What about access roads , pipes etc. The article clearly states half the land would have to be reclaimed, leaving it clear they intend the other 50% to come from the Wetlands themselves. Meanwhile, Limerick city proper is literally full of undeveloped sites. I’m all for development, but this would be a disaster for the city, imagine the shame of having a special EU conservation area concreted over? What does this city have against parkland, between trying to sell of Arthur’s Quay, the People’s Park and now this?

    I honestly wonder how you could even begin to to consider this project anything other than a disaster for the area.

    #753631
    anto
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    @justnotbothered wrote:

    Are you stone crazy? how do you protect wetlands while simultaneously building on them? What about access roads , pipes etc. The article clearly states half the land would have to be reclaimed, leaving it clear they intend the other 50% to come from the Wetlands themselves. Meanwhile, Limerick city proper is literally full of undeveloped sites. I’m all for development, but this would be a disaster for the city, imagine the shame of having a special EU conservation area concreted over? What does this city have against parkland, between trying to sell of Arthur’s Quay, the People’s Park and now this?

    I honestly wonder how you could even begin to to consider this project anything other than a disaster for the area.

    Here, Here!! This thread is obviously turning into a pro development at all costs thread. Like that other Cork thread here. This is probably the last place that building should happen. A flood plain! Global warming anybody?

    #753632
    justnotbothered
    Participant

    I’m sorry about the stone crazy remark, I don’t want to get personal and lose sight of the bigger picture. I’d as happy as anyone that Limerick is turning things around and becoming a modern city but look at streets like Catherine st, William st, Parnell st, Mallow st, O’Curry st, Nicholas street, Broad st, etc etc. All these streets are in dire need of development, I’d happily support proper investment in those areas, or the Docklands, Dock road area (another blackspot). My point is that this plan is not good for the city. Lets put the money into fixing up the city as she already stands rather than attacking yet anoher bit of parkland.

    Lets work on moving Limerick forward conserving her unique areas.

    #753633
    Maskhadov
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    @anto wrote:

    Here, Here!! This thread is obviously turning into a pro development at all costs thread. Like that other Cork thread here. This is probably the last place that building should happen. A flood plain! Global warming anybody?

    “….Up to half of this wetland area, which is subject to flooding, would have to be reclaimed from the river with the construction of a massive dyke………..”

    The dyk should take care of that:)

    #753634
    lexington
    Participant

    @anto wrote:

    Here, Here!! This thread is obviously turning into a pro development at all costs thread. Like that other Cork thread here.

    A disappointing and inaccurate comment anto.



    As for the Riverdeep proposal, though the scheme sounds very exciting and lavish, I would feel the wetlands offer an area of immense amenity value to the people of Limerick, if anything, a nice counterbalance to the south quays – which have come on in leaps and bounds over the years. There is still significant scope in the Limerick docklands area for further landmark development without having to sacrifice this waterside area. Whilst predominantly conserving the 50-acres, it would be nice to see the local authority take advantage of parameter amenity accommodation (i.e. a sensitive waterfront walkway or otherwise) to allow the people of Limerick perhaps a nice area for recreation, offering wonderful undisturbed vantages across the Shannon and to the attractive emerging quaysides to the south.

    I have, and continue, to be a strong supporter for the conservation of our green areas – perhaps much of my preference for certain development and development types in Cork is driven by the wish to protect the vital green-belt and insufficient number of remaining green areas that abound the city. It is also among the reasons I oppose development of facets of the Northern Ring Road in Cork (which threaten the potential for a 275 acre public park), the supposed height cap (which is in contravention with sustainable planning law), the encroachment of many housing estate schemes on our countryside/green-belt and the loss of few remaining manor/estate grounds in and around the city to housing development.

    #753635
    Anonymous
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    @Maskhadov wrote:

    “….Up to half of this wetland area, which is subject to flooding, would have to be reclaimed from the river with the construction of a massive dyke………..”

    The dyk should take care of that:)

    Yes a dyke would hypothetically protect a specific plot from rising water levels; however that water would be displaced elsewhere and cause flooding to adjoining or neighbouring plots.

    I would ask one question why were the consortium proposing this scheme able to pick the holding up for a song?

    #753636
    Maskhadov
    Participant

    Good question Thomond Park. I dont know the answer to that.

    #753637
    justnotbothered
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    Thomond Park wrote:
    Yes a dyke would hypothetically protect a specific plot from rising water levels]

    Not sure what you mean by this, have actually bought anything or even produced any plans at all yet?

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