Dublin Port – Feasible or not?
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Look at this ! Move Dublin Port to Balbriggin. . . . and build Manhatten in it’s place ! Its radical. This would put an end to the high rise debate.
I think it would end up being full of bland apartment blocks. There is a token mention of our Georgain heritage thrown in for good measure but completely irrelavent.I’d be all in favour because I think we all know that the Dublin Port Tunnel will be entirely ineffective in the absence of full interchanges on the M50 and a proper Eastern Bypass.
It’s certainly something worth thinking about although the denizens of Balbriggan probably wouldn’t be thrilled with the idea.The PDs have assembled a most dishonest document claiming that land values are worth €billions.
They as well as everyone else knows that all of the lands in question are held on a leasehold basis; the lands would be worth €billions if held on a an enencumbered freehold basis by the Dublin Port company but they are not.
What the document basically does is dangle a carrot in front of oue eyes in the full knowledge that it is not attainable; given the benefits involved it is particularly cynical.
The end game here is that if it is forced through the taxpayer will have to fund a new deep water port whilst a number of leaseholders including coal merchants that haven’t importeed anything in years stand to benefit with the lions share of the gains.
Andrew unfortunately you will be waiting a while longer for your taller City unless something radical is done in terms of CPO legislation.
i posted this on boards.ie a while back.. the article was in the sunday tribune. The PD’s came up with it i belive.There was mixed reaction to this. It would make a mockery of the port tunnel.
The residents in Balbriggin werent happy with the whole idea
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I didnt see the artists impression. Well its certainly an area for the highrises providing it was done properly. I would be all for it. I just wonder about floodingThis is an ambitious idea that incorporates a vision of a Dublin which wishes to make a statement about where it wants to be, and be seen to be, in the 21st century. It is certainly more Boston than Berlin but with a sprinkling of a SanFrancisco or a Sydney to try and raise the City profile even higher. The City and the Bay should complement each other and not turn their backs on each other as largely happens at present. The Loop Line bridge and the development of the Port of Dublin have effectively separated the City from the Bay for the last 200 years. While recent docklands developments have retaken possession of part of the Port, the Port itself is relentlessly expanding.
The Bay should return to being the lung of the City rather than the bladder.
Yes I know some of the images are crude and to many Planners the whole idea is presposterous. However, look what the island of Singapore has achieved in less than 40 years in an island state with no resources of its own. It can be done. It’s a question of belief!Would have my support. I love, however, the modelling of Dublin on Helsinki. Objectively, it seems a fair comparison in terms of size, geographical positioning etc. What is absent, however, is an understanding of the difference between the Irish mentality an dthat of the Scandanavians. The former sit around talking bxxxxxks and do nothing; the latter get off their asses and do things. What ever happened to the traces of Vicking blood in us I will never know.
This is only a ”carrot” as there is an election probably next year. This is hypocrtical of the PDs/Fianna Fail advocating high rises for the docks and all sorts of other much needed developments, when McDowell hindered the Natioanl Stadium calling it a Ceascescu stlye complex and Bertie calling Spencer Dock a monstrosity. They are a long time in government and its a last minute rush promising all these things as there is fuck all to show bar roads and houses.
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This is an ambitious idea that incorporates a vision of a Dublin which wishes to make a statement about where it wants to be, and be seen to be, in the 21st century. It is certainly more Boston than Berlin but with a sprinkling of a SanFrancisco or a Sydney to try and raise the City profile even higher. The City and the Bay should complement each other and not turn their backs on each other as largely happens at present. The Loop Line bridge and the development of the Port of Dublin have effectively separated the City from the Bay for the last 200 years. While recent docklands developments have retaken possession of part of the Port, the Port itself is relentlessly expanding.
The Bay should return to being the lung of the City rather than the bladder.
Yes I know some of the images are crude and to many Planners the whole idea is presposterous. However, look what the island of Singapore has achieved in less than 40 years in an island state with no resources of its own. It can be done. It’s a question of belief!Why is it more ” Boston than Berlin”? Berlin is has plenty of high rise building. Anyway this hackneyed phrase is used more for comparing Europe’s high tax welfare economy to America’s low tax low welfare model.( Kind of ironic because in America Boston is in “Taxachussets”)
I mentioned above that I would be for the idea but to be honest I can’t see it happening. If they do manage to relocate the port we WILL end up with the same stuff we are already building (Spencer and Grand Canal Dock). I wouldn’t get my hopes up. People will object to the whole thing and most likely win.
this rekindles my hope for a functional dublin, its a beautiful proposal and would increase quaility of life to no end, the old part of the city would really be complimented by the new, pollution and congestion would go down, it would draw in more international business and spark new local enterprise… this city NEEDS this, as does the country.
how possible is this? what can be done to keep this on track and stop the proposal from flattened into sandyford industrial estate with a seaside view and congestion feeding underground parking, or am i getting my hopes up as this is all just an election ploy? ill have myself a revolution:mad:
The image in the Metro newspaper looks quite good. Kinda a Canary Wharf/New York look about the buildings . Boats/Barges on the river and all. Looks cool.
But when you look closely and see the 2 ESB chimney stacks placed right among the towers. Its kinda a rushed together whimsical photoshop montage just to catch the publics eye. Nothing will come of it.This is alot of ridiculous nonsense. Pure and utter fantasy nonsense. No government in ireland in the whole of the 20th century had the competence or desire to carry out such grandiose world class projects, and that included all the celtic tiger governments which had the opportunity to. That situation shows no hint of a beginning of an end to it’s persistence. Anything which is more than decent is doomed before it gets started. As for T21- if I ever see a dublin underground in my lifetime, I vow to eat my hat.
Dublin port will reach capacity by 2008. They will want to futher infil the area after that. I think the nation should take the brave and right decision to relocate the port out north of Dublin.
The NIMBY brigade will have a field day but at least the north dublin location can avail of the rail line that connects the whole east coast and should in theory reduce trucks on the road. This project is of national importance and a few hardliners shouldnt be allowed to stop the project.
It would mean a cleaner Dublin with hardly any trucks on the cities streets.
It would mean a major boost for the economy of Ireland and bring the house/apartment costs down in Dublin.
It would result in Dublin being a city of consequence.
It would relaunch the city as being a modern international one and the tall buildings would demonstrate a air of confidence about the nation. (i have always been a firm backer of high rises in Dublin and was just wondering where to put them).
The spin offs are endless. Fair enough the graphics need work but its a fantastic idea that captures the imagination of what the city could be like.
I just blame Brian Boru for kicking out all the northern europeans who had the genes to go ahead with projects like this (and other things like the tuskar tunnel). We will probably debate this issue for another decade before going ahead with it.
i have to say that picture in the times was awful, it remindes you that crappy skyscrapers kind of scattered can look really awful: in fact tall buildings are only really dramatic when you spend alot on them and you are short of space to put them. everyone forgets that manhattan isn’t manhattan because of the tall buildings, lots of us cities have them: the point is it has a ton of housing, lots of great seven story areas, a great park, some beautiful older buildings, great zoning and the really tall buildings are crowded into midtown and the financial district.
as for the port; as a dubliner, for now anyway, you have to be nervous about anything that narrows the employment base, but, yes, the current preeminence of dublin is stupid, maybe not the big bang the pds are selling for whatever reason, but there ought to be more development of other ports and, yes, a gradual scaling back of dublin port.
I can’t help thinking this is just bluff from the PDs. They’ve been in power for most of the last 20 years and look at the mediocre architecture in the docklands.
The port tunnel was designed and built on the assumption that the port tunnel was remaining where it is. If they were going to move it. It should have happened then,
A big Transport plan was unveiled a few weeks ago with no mention of this. Land use and transport planning should go together.
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