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Seems like it – I guess they’re doing better than the north docks which seem (according to the plan) to be getting only one “landmark tower” propsed to be next to the point depot.
Is it a good thing to actually go so far as to specify the *location* and *height* of a landmark building in such areas rather than develop guidelines for the region, let the architects and developers comer up with the ideas – it seems a little constrictive from a creative point of view, and renders the Docklands a little sterile through micro-management.
I think the idea in Cork is that CCC set down areas “suitable” for landmark or taller buildings and if an idea is suitable/beneficial will let it through – this seems like a better idea rather than laying down the law that one and only one tall bulding can go in this lot and only can have etc etc etc…
I hope those two stars are in the correct positions… the “landmark” U2 compo building is only going to be two thirds the height of the already full planning permissioned Dunloe Ewart project.
Good question! I think the Millenium Wing of the Nat Gallery works from the inside – cool to see that much space created and used for effectively – the facade on the outside – yawwwwwwn. Seen it before in a slightly different colour.
I think the Patrick St repaving will effectively put an end to cars ploughing through the centre island – Oliver Plunkett St will eventually form a pedestrian walkway that leads on to the Docklands – so other than South Mall – Wasington St – there will (hopefully) be only taxis and buses.
That seems to be the opposite side – with lovely blue sky reflections – I still think it’s funky deluxe – please god let it be built.
As for Fosters London City Hall – I really liked it when I saw the plans – but in reality it sucks (for want of a better expression!). I think it is going to form part of a much larger development on the site and surrounding area – and maybe in that context it will work really well – but as it stands now it looks – well – not so great.
I think “pure” architecture costs money – a watered down version will always cost less that an intricately detailed true to the style building. Most developers are happy to get the “gist” of a style and hoover up their enormous profits. I think the design influences are the All Mighty Euro/Dollar.
Yeah – Sir John rogerson’s does look a bit like the Dubai hotel.
Graham, you’re right about the whole “curvy hi-tech” element of design these days, but isn’t that a good thing?
I know the Sydney Opera house wasn’t physically possible to be built until the year it was because there was no such thing as the computer software used to model the dynamics of the structure.It’s good that technology is being used to give us funky structures to look at – and hey… some architects base their enitire careers on curvy hi-tech! But then again, too much of anything…
Ha ha!
Yeah big projects require a big personality (and maybe just a dash of corruption). These days every Joe Soap and a certain Heritage body lodge objections to almost anything and everything in the name of public interest. I guess the trade off for having a say in things is that nothing gets done, is is dramtically scaled back or diluted in form! I agree that the “grand projets” of this country happened when the majority had no say at all.
I agree that Haughey has no architecture to speak of – culture was his thang – we have him to thank for Temple Bar remember?!? Otherwise there would have been a lovely functional underground bus station (Dublin Bus user speaking) instead of the vomit we have today.
Meanwhile in modern times… The Tate modern was funded by Lottery money in the UK – where does our Lottery money go??? (Besides political slush funds)
Collins Barracks is still only partially developed for example.I’ve said it before – I’ll say it again – Kellogs to sponsor STW cereal box… public private partnership in action!
I think we deride old buildings in this country caise they’re kept in a disgraceful condition – look at County Hall in Cork – it looks great in the sunshine from a distance – but the closer you get you see the black onthe concrete – the peeling of window laminated covers – the colums crumbling – etc etc etc. Exactly the fate that awaits DCC offices, Central Bank, Millenium wing of Nat Gallery – the manky walls say it all – the beginning of the end. Eventually they too will all resemble County Hall/Hawkins House.
Our crappy damp weather probably doesn’t help.
Eh – I don’t get where Haughey comes off as divine or good just because he had a thing for renovating a few buildings (including one vanity project that was to be his own bloody office). I’m not criticising these projects either – Dublin is immeasurably improved by having them. But I think Dublin and our country as a whole is disimproved by what that man did (as has largely gotten away with).
Bertie cannot claim anything for the Luas – he hardly did anything to stop the sprawl in two storeysemidetatched Dublin – if there was abit of vision on his part maybe we wouldn’t all have to get in our cars and drive from our bungalow in Lucan to our jobs in campus style offices in Sandyford. Luas is being offered reactively – not proactively.
I think the attitude of the public too might have something to do with our lack of “grand projets” – I can see the French public all agreeing about something for the “civic greatness” and benefit to their society – a bit of altruism if you will – but just look at the moaning and complaining of the public about the spike when it was proposed.
Well noone can ever say Bertie and Metterand ever have/had anything in common!
I doubt we’ll ever see any “grand projets” in Dublin to mark his legacy (besides missed opportunites obviously…)
Hmmm – This could just be Treasury Holdings talking… I thought the NCC went bye bye with the rest of the old spencer dock – hence the questions above.
They could be bulding a hotel *anyway* on the site and are in talks to attract Marriott.
Their college green hotel was originally suposed to be Hilton – but the dev got scaled back (usual suspects) and Hilton said they couldn’t make money on X no. of rooms, so Westin stepped in.Maybe Mariott will only go in if the NCC goes ahead – but a hotel is going in anyway???
Ouch – my head hurts!Hmmm – not wide enough – am I surprised?
Yeah but surely widening a pre-existing tunnel wouldn’t cost €1bn?!? Well – if you ask anyone other than the CIF…
€1bn for an underground connection from Heuston to Connolly… isn’t there already an underground connection (via Phoenix Park)that isn’t used other than for Rugby games etc?!?
Do we need two or something?
I think the problem with Croker is that they have planning permission for only a few games a year, but if that’s not the case – then they’ve nothing to lose by letting it out as a temp ground for the others.
StephenC – your optimism rocks!
I don’t know who designed Cork Bus station, I think CIE have their own architects, and then get someone in to tart up their designs for actual construction (ala Tara Street)
Cork – 3rd city??? If we’re talking the island of Ireland then yes fair enough, but I wasn’t.
The food angle is a good one to take. The opera house should be promoted more and not a mere venue for hire as it is these days.
As for cringeing at the “real” capital… I only cringe more when I hear the condescending pathetic ignorance Dubs exhibit to the rest of the country.
