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  • #706070
    d_d_dallas
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    Anyone know what is happening with the “to be” tallest building in Ireland? As far as I know it was supposed to be well under construction by now – but last time I was in that area didn’t see anything special going on.

    Has it fallen victim to the Zoe developments takeover at Dunloe Ewart?

    I must say it does look v.cool.

    #725185
    GrahamH
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    I don’t like curves in tall buildings. Just me. It makes more of a “look at what we can do with our high-tech materials” statement than an architectural one.

    Still, very snazzy.

    #725186
    brunel
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    Sorry for diverging from the thread title but having recently seen the Swiss Re building under construction in London, I have to say it looked incredible… the curves just make it stand out… would we ever be so brave in Ireland to allow such a unique building ?!?

    Image taken from Foster’s website

    #725187
    ro_G
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    have to say i don’t like the curves on City Hall building beside Tower Bridge in a faraway silhouette, although it looks fantastic close up. I’d even say homely.

    ps Paul, a google for “city hall london” throws up a good rating hughpearman.com

    #725188
    ro_G
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    Incidently, Graham, Pearman sides with you on said techology vs. restraint argument. I’m still sitting on a very slightly curved fence

    http://www.hughpearman.com/articles3/cityhall.html

    #725189
    GregF
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    Wow …what a building!

    #725190
    GregF
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    Foster is a great architect….auld codger of the realm and all as he is!
    Hugh Pearman can be conservative and reserved at times.
    Being conservative and restrained restricts creativity. This can lead to stagnation…….run of the mill hum drum ennui!
    Aka …here’s to being bonkers and alternative
    and different at times (but once it is well thought out)
    Foster is a good thinker….he thinks out well his designs…….
    Richard Rodgers …another auld codger and ‘knight of the realm’ produces even more bonker designs….and these are the so called ‘reserved cup of tea’ ‘nation of shopkeepers’ british.
    Could we produce such characters of archtecture which produce innovative and striking architecture here in Ireland.

    #725191
    GregF
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    It’s a stylish building that’s proposed for Sir John Rogerson’s Quay….is’nt it and similar to the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai. Let’s hope they build it. Dublin city is in need for landmarkish and notable structures.

    #725192
    GregF
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    Burj Al Arab hotel , Dubai

    #725193
    d_d_dallas
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    Yeah – Sir John rogerson’s does look a bit like the Dubai hotel.

    Graham, you’re right about the whole “curvy hi-tech” element of design these days, but isn’t that a good thing?
    I know the Sydney Opera house wasn’t physically possible to be built until the year it was because there was no such thing as the computer software used to model the dynamics of the structure.

    It’s good that technology is being used to give us funky structures to look at – and hey… some architects base their enitire careers on curvy hi-tech! But then again, too much of anything…

    #725194
    Niall
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    I like it, would be very bold………..

    #725195
    GrahamH
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    Buildings that half heartedly use curves etc are just saying look at what we can do. At least a building that looks like a giant Easter egg is making a distinctive statement.

    Above all, starkness and ‘going the whole way’ only works for me, whether it’s an almost clinical modern building, or the other side of the coin, a true and pure classical building. I detest watered down architecture, ie, early 90s post modernism or 80s Victoriana.

    #725196
    d_d_dallas
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    I think “pure” architecture costs money – a watered down version will always cost less that an intricately detailed true to the style building. Most developers are happy to get the “gist” of a style and hoover up their enormous profits. I think the design influences are the All Mighty Euro/Dollar.

    #725197
    GregF
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    …..don’t forget your domed roofs of cathedrals of old and your onion shaped domes of Tzarist Russia and the Arabian Middle East. Curves have always been prevalent in architecture….have’nt they!
    It’s just today that with hi-tech etc…the boundaries can be pushed further making statements for the times we live in today.

    #725198
    brunel
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    Curves are essential to architecture/engineering in that they create forms that efficiently resist forces – i.e. a straight beam of stone/timber can only span small distances, whereas the introduction of an arch or dome allows the material to be used much more efficiently. ‘Modern’ day industrialisation has made such forms too expensive to build due to the changing cost balance between labour and materials, along with ‘new materials’ such as reinforced concrete etc etc etc.

    I like the Swiss Re building so much because it really does challenge our existing notion of what a building should look like. I think the last thing we need in Dublin is a Dubai hotel look alike, but it is hard for me to have an opinion on the Sir John Rogerson Quay building from just looking at the image above – there is no way to judge the texture/context of the building from such a computer generated model.

    As for the City Hall in London – I think it looks really stumpy !!! But I think this puts it best:

    #725199
    brunel
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    I should point out that I only saw the city hall from a seat on the Thameslink so I probably should get a proper look at it before I start complaining !!! 🙂

    #725200
    brunel
    Participant

    Maybe this is a better image of the building:

    Taken from the architects (Ó’Muiré Smyth – OMS) website.

    #725201
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    That seems to be the opposite side – with lovely blue sky reflections – I still think it’s funky deluxe – please god let it be built.

    As for Fosters London City Hall – I really liked it when I saw the plans – but in reality it sucks (for want of a better expression!). I think it is going to form part of a much larger development on the site and surrounding area – and maybe in that context it will work really well – but as it stands now it looks – well – not so great.

    #725202
    Paul Clerkin
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    brunel
    the U2 site is in front of that on the corner of the quayside and going to be the landmark desired by the DDDA

    #725203
    Andrew Duffy
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    But this building has planning permission. Has it expired? I thought that took five years.

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