Sir John Rogerson Qy
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Didn’t realise the two sites were so close Paul
Image from DDDA site
The Sir John Rogerson’s Quay site is the large site DIRECTLY behind the U2 Britain Quay site (outlined in red). I looked at the U2 brief page here on Archeire and didn’t see anything mentioned about this building… which if it has planning (as some people here seem to think) then surely it has to be accounted for…. the view of the Sir John Rogerson’s Quay building shown above will look slightly different with a 60m high building stuck in front of it !!!
But surely this couldn’t happen ?!?!?
By the way I’m not saying that a cluster of tallish well designed buildings wouldn’t look good in this area, just think its strange that all those who submitted plans for the U2 building were not given all the info – by stating that the building was to be a landmark surely gives the impression that it will stand out from its surroundings, and not be blocked by another building right beside it !!!
But anyway I’m sure the farsighted people in the DDDA have thought of all of this….
Confused by this now…. the attachment below is from the DDDA plan for the area… the two tasteful ‘stars’ indicate the location of the two tall ‘landmark’ structures with the area, with the rest of the buildings being limited to cornflakes box proportions of 4-5 stories +1 possible setback.
Location of the ‘star’ though is right between Britain and Sir JR Quay’s …. maybe there was method in the madness of their graphic designers ?!?!?!
I hope those two stars are in the correct positions… the “landmark” U2 compo building is only going to be two thirds the height of the already full planning permissioned Dunloe Ewart project.
The Charlotte Quay apartment tower is another “landmark” there; it must be about 45m tall. Interesting to note that there are buildings of about the same height around and across from it on the map.
I suppose in an ideal world the whole area should be a ‘landmark’… will two or three buildings have to do then?
Seems like it – I guess they’re doing better than the north docks which seem (according to the plan) to be getting only one “landmark tower” propsed to be next to the point depot.
Is it a good thing to actually go so far as to specify the *location* and *height* of a landmark building in such areas rather than develop guidelines for the region, let the architects and developers comer up with the ideas – it seems a little constrictive from a creative point of view, and renders the Docklands a little sterile through micro-management.
I think the idea in Cork is that CCC set down areas “suitable” for landmark or taller buildings and if an idea is suitable/beneficial will let it through – this seems like a better idea rather than laying down the law that one and only one tall bulding can go in this lot and only can have etc etc etc…
According to skyscrapers.com Sir John Rogersons Quay development has been given the go ahead. It comes under the approved section. What’s going on?!!
I remember seeing some modern paintings of and around these Mills by Joby(Jos?) Hickey. Very good they were too! Since then I’ve quite liked the Boland Mill. They also made it easy to counter objections to Millenium tower (which is the same height?)
Originally posted by Desmund
According to skyscrapers.com Sir John Rogersons Quay development has been given the go ahead. It comes under the approved section. What’s going on?!!Multiple reasons
A) Recession – not much need for new office space when the existing stuff can’t be filled
B) War – see above
C) big fight within Dunloe Ewart led to delays in all their projects – now that Liam Carroll has his hands on it do you think Zoe developments are cgoing to build something as dramatic as this?Zoe Dev’s don’t have the best reputation – so I’d be concerned that such a cool project has come under his control – but then again… Zoe were responsible for the Millenium Tower – which could spell success for the development, which does have full p.p. At this stage I’d say Dublin’s oversupply of office space will be the determining factor.
How about changing the use from offices to appartments………I’d bet they’d sell like hot cakes too. What a cool looking complex to live in.
Is it just me or is it not strange that the fact that there is planning for a landmark building RIGHT BESIDE the U2 sight was not mentioned in the competition brief ?!? How can one design a building in the context of its surroundings when one isn’t even told that, oh ya by the way there is planning for a huge building across the road !?!?
Is it not up to the designer to familiarise themselves with the surroundings? Including history of and plans for the immediate surroundings?
I don’t think the building can be prevented if the developers wish to proceed with it as An Bord Pleanála have approved its permission:
http://www.archeire.com/news/archives.cgi?f=keyword&keywords=dunloe+ewart
Can DCC revoke a planning permission they have granted? Can you appeal to An Bord Pleanála if this happens?
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