Infrastructure costs
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Worrying read in the Tribune yesterday. Projected cost of Dublin’s first 10km metro line is €4.9 billion. (I kid you not)
Now is someone trying to chance their arm and fleece the taxpayer? There is no way on earth, that it would or should cost that much!!!
Copenhagen, Barcelona and even bloody San Francisco (earthquake zone!!!!) with more track and stations cost about a quarter ofthat! BART was €1.9 billion.
Whoever bandied the Dublin figure around , should be told in quite plain words, there services are no longer required!
As Mary Harney, always says, consumers should shop around. Same goes for governmanet, RPA etc..
BTW, why can’t the Spanish, Turks and Indians etc… build our roads/railways for a fraction of the cost. They do as good a job as anyone else. Was very impressed by new Delhi metro, bet it didn’t cost even €1 billion.
Irish contracters and associated foreign chancers are fleecing everyone and delaying the whole NDP.
GOVERNMENT SHOP AROUND!
They had the same article on the Indo. I cant recall the figures but they showed Copenhagen as the nearest comparison t the Dublin proposal, ie a surface rail to the city edge and then an underground section. It was a fraction of the cost and that was with more stations. Barcelona was cheaper again and if any of you have been there you’d see what a spectacular system it is.
It also said dat Seamus was flying out to Copenhagen soon to see just how they did it…
Perhaps a lack corrupt landowners and developers had something to do with it….. oooh shame on you!Niall is right of course, we need someone from elsewhere to head the rpa, someone who isn’t conditioned by the local situation and who will get angry all the time at all the empire-building and money-wasting.
completely agree. New and bolder thinking required. If we need to go beyond our shores to get the best deal, so be it! Too much money and greed is the cancer in the Irish construction industry. We can’t afford to write blank cheques. IT’S OUR MONEY!!!!!
The thing is..isnt the government supposed to tender for mojor projects through the EU journal. Surely that should act as a break to inefficient spending
As the Tribune said, nobody in Government seems to turn a hair at these phenomenal costings especially when compared to similar projects abroad, maybe its the Ivory Towers Syndrome (ITS) again!!!
I see what you mean emf. From todays Irish Times:
The State is likely to spend up to €300 million buying land for the last 10-km stretch of ring road in south Dublin which will complete the M50 motorway, it has emerged, writes Arthur Beesley, Political Reporter
A snip I would have though!
Yes and three, yes three! individuals pocketed €20 million! Including the late Fianna Fail councillor M*****Y
Nice when you are on the ground………
There’s something faintly ridiculous (but probably pre-planned) about the fact that the Southern end of the motorway, which runs through what was always the more expensive real estate in Dublin, is built last, at a time when property prices are at their maximum.
At the same time, there seems to be no such rush to build a rail link (on what should be cheaper land) on the Northside to complement the two Luas lines that serve the southside and a tiny fragment of the north inner city.Its the North South thing. ‘Twas ever so.
Its like all those lovely stone-cut walls all those Blackrock residents got when they built the Stillorgan dual carriageway. Funny how they never made it up into the wilds of Fingal when the M50 north section was put in place.
And of course you’ll notice the marked difference in the standard of DART stations south of the Liffey.
Although a friend of mine from B’rock has a theory. All those Dun Laoghaire resuidents pay more in tax and therefore expect and demand a higher quality of workmanship. Quite….How on earth can it cost €1 billion, as reported in todays Irish Times, to build an underground connection between Heuston and Connolly!
What an absolutely ridiculously high sum.And if Metro costs are spiralling out of control (which they see to be – even before a sod has been turned) why not opt for a LUAS line from Broadstone to Swords. At least LUAS costs seem more realistic.
I am in favour of Metro but I just don’t understand where these crazy costings are coming from.
€1bn for an underground connection from Heuston to Connolly… isn’t there already an underground connection (via Phoenix Park)that isn’t used other than for Rugby games etc?!?
Do we need two or something?
Cost of Tunnelling in Dublin 9 times !! that of Madrid, RPA asked to explain. – Today’s Irish Times.
I think the RPA have been reckless in their costs and calculations, they should be brought to account asap!
I think I may be going mad. Why on earth would anybody build an underground link between Heuston and Connolly Station when we’ve spent the past three years building the Luas link between the two.
Surely, the obvious need is for a connection (underground, overground, who cares?)between Luas Line A and Luas Line B.
The preferred option would be tunnel from St Stephen’s Green to Broadstone with an interchange station (Luas to Subway) at somewhere like Church Street.
Then we have the option of building some rail link via Broadstone through Glasneving, past DCU, through Ballymun and on to airport.
There is no necessity at the moment and no justification for any other rail lines in the capital as far as i can see.
The only thing is improvement to existing suburban services.Heathrow, which now has two separate rail and tube links still only manages a combined rail / tube user share of arriving passengers of barely above 20%!
“To ask the Secretary of State for Transport what percentage of
journeys made to (a) Gatwick, (b) Heathrow, (c) Stansted and (d) Luton airports
were made by (i) train, (ii) bus and (iii) other road vehicles in the latest
year for which figures are available. [80846]Mr. Jamieson: In 2001, the percentage of journeys made by train to Gatwick was
21.2 per cent. (9 per cent. bus/coach and 69.8 per cent. other road vehicles ).
For Heathrow, the corresponding proportions were 21.5 per cent. train ( ie rail
and tube), 13.1 per cent. bus/coach, and 65.4 per cent. other road vehicles. At
Stansted, the proportions were : 27.3 per cent. train, 7.6 per cent. bus/coach,
and 65.1 per cent. other road vehicles. The proportions recorded at Luton are
26.1 per cent. bus/coach and 73.9 per cent. other road vehicles.”Suprisingly low figures for such well developed and fairly well integrated rail / tube links.
d_d_dallas, I’ve asked this question befor e and the only answer I can get is that the present underground interconnect (via Phoenix Park) from Heuston to Connelly is too narrow for modern rolling stock
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