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@StephenC wrote:
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Im looking forward to seeing the bridge in place. The last time I read it was due up the Liffey in Nov. Being constructed in Poland?? .
Yeah, apaprently being made in Poland.
I had a chat with a couple of yellow coats beside the site today and they said that the bridge is being floated up in February. Not exactly reliable but from some kind of horse’s mouth nonetheless
@vinnyfitz wrote:
Will we be allowed cycle on this bridge – or will it really be pedestrian only?
As cyclists unilaterally disregard pedestrians, traffic lights, one way streets, I shouldn’t think they’ll pay any attention anyway
@lexington wrote:
The submissions were made well passed the final submission date – the CCC claim to have adopted ‘a sympathetic stance regarding objectors’ due to the exceptional nature of the development. Utter tripe. Indeed the submissions should have been refused – by law.
They’ve listed additional submissions on OCP’s Jurys too
@Diaspora wrote:
Mr Ronan is not yet in possession of the demise,
it has 22 years and some months not yet expired
unless you know something no-one else doesNOPE – no insider knowledge – just assumed he would have a say as to the tenants when he bought the building.
@Diaspora wrote:
This is not just any other kip but is according to the Council of Europe one of the finest cafes in Europe (1990) that is before the extremely poorly executed revamp. The save Bewleys campaign have never called for the cafe to be simply re-opened and operated by Campbells, the important interior will require work to ‘Restore it’ to the standard that prompted the Council of Europe to make such an unequivical statment of fact.
You cannot judge Bewleys on what has been seen over the past year or so.
I hardly think that an award – being judged by few and, therefore, inherently subjective, can be an “unequivical statment of fact” but we quibble over terms. I look forward to receiving your daily coffee updates when Insomnia take it over (Sunday Tribune). Shame Starbucks aren’t interested – they could have spiced the place up with some good ole razzamatazz.
@Diaspora wrote:
Burge Eye,
The head of the Belfast tourist authority was quoted on todays lunchtime RTE 1 TV news as saying that Bewleys is an important tourist attraction for the entire Island.
The Crown Bar was shown in all its glory and virtually everyone interviewed drew strong comparison between both The Crown Liquor Salon and Bewleys Oriental Cafe.
What is the source for your definition of nostalgia? It strikes me as being entirely polemical or even made up.
Dublin deserves Bewleys serving the latest food trends and a selection of the pre campbell classic Bewley menus.
Dublin needs Bewleys a lot more than Bewleys needs Dublin, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Coffee division out sourced to Bucharest, with the unique Dublin branding retained.
It might be made up, it might be ripped off, it might be polemic, blah blah blah
ireland.ie doesn’t list Bewleys under cafes
visitiireland.com doesn’t list it
Lonelyplanet.com doesn’t list it
the official northern ireland site doesnt even mention the south!The Crown bar is an institution, agreed. Whenever I have friends visiting the north I always take them there. Why? Because it’s atmospheric and a throw back to a bygone age. So is Bewleys. Why is the Crown different? Primarily it’s because it is also a service industry with quality and prices equal and above from any or all bars in it’s vicinity. When friends visit Dublin, Bewleys has never been and never will be on my list of “tourist attractions”. Maybe all my friends are alcoholics, I don’t know. I might take my granny though….
My point, however polemic, is simple. How many of the bleeding hearts on this page were through the doors of Bewleys in the last 6 months? If it reopens, how many of the same will have been in it 6 months later? There’s a very dangerous precedent being set here whereby any old kip that becomes financially unviable but has any link to the good old days will be clamouring for political and media support to get it back on its feet. How many other cafe retailers will want to take it over with a bewleys sign over their doors?
We also see on this site the bemoaning of grafton street becoming a Uk high street. That’s progress I’m afraid no matter how galling. The Crown isn’t even in the middle of Belfast as such but people still go to it, search it out. Maybe Bewleys needs to relocate to a cheaper more atmospheric part of Dublin in keeping with its supposed reputation. Use it as a regeneration tool if it’s so great. A Diaspora of latte?
what a laughable campaign this is. In 100 years perhaps we’ll have a “save mcdonalds” campaign. After all, they’re on grafton street and serve a pile of crap so why not? Since when was anything on grafton street a tourist attraction?
Nostalgia: A device that removes the ruts and potholes from memory lane.
Keep the stained glass, lose the crap coffee
@lexington wrote:
:rolleyes: Riga Limited (O’Callaghan Properties and Jurys Doyle Group) today submitted a Further Information and Development Revision application to CCC – even though no formal Further Info request was issued. This marks the third unsolicited submission of Further Info from Riga Ltd, but the most significant. The move is a further response by O’Callaghan Properties to ease some of the many troubles the application for Jurys has received – as reported in previous posts.
The new revisions are being made to ease the concerns of many objectors. Among the revisions being made are: a reduction of apartment numbers from 303 to 277. The reduction in height of 3 blocks – two from 6 to 4 storeys and one from 6 to 3 storeys. And the movement of the Jurys Hotel element 6m south,
The 9 storey block, height of Jurys Hotel (6 storeys), access bridges and height of 2 other blocks will remain. Though I acknowledge this move as one designed to address objection concerns – the revisions are another shiny example of how Cork will end up with a reduced quality of development based on petty local outlooks.
The alterations will reduce the architectural consistency of the development – a point An Taisce even made,
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I had a look at the revised proposal and I suspect the height reductions were made for 3 reasons – to allow a view of the cathedral from 3 points that is at least as good as that at the moment, to reduce overlooking of St Aloysius and to improve the quantity of south light into the apartment courtyards. The hotel hasn’t physically moved, rather a 6m setback from the southern boundary has been requested. There are no “bridges” in the scheme. Although this scheme will undoubtedly still go to appeal, the revisions made are relatively minor given that they effect the “rear” of the development. The impact of the scheme to Lancaster quay remains undiminished. Whilst I share the disappointment that local denizens have effected the scheme, I feel confident that it still represents a strong statement.
@ro_G wrote:
cant believe they would get away with taking the Harry Clarke window
According to the Sunday Times, Johnny says the windows will go “over his dead body” He bought the windows when he bought the building. When you buy a house people can take the carpets and curtains. Can you imagine if they took the windows with them too????
@Thomond Park wrote:
Ha Ha
All joking aside professionals work in metric Metres, Hectares etc
whilst the public work in imperial feet and acres etc
developers don’t work they pay professionals and collect from the publicIt’s a plot to create more work for architects as, all 500 apartments in your shiny new scheme are designed and built in metric and then all their areas have to be converted to square feet as estate agents still work in the 60’s
@james_colhoun wrote:
Hello whoever might be reading this!
I’m a student at Trinity and I’m actually writting my thesis on the spire, researching the opinions of 3 groups – for want of a better term – of people: indigent people, academics and the general public. The final product wont be ready till March, 2005, but if anyone is interested, I’d be happy to keep you up-to-date regarding my research findings.
Bye for now,
JamesIndigent or indignant? When does a member of the general public become indigent? Maybe you should separate the general public from tourists? I think it’s become a strong symbol of dublin and I think it’s a great scale for the city as a whole, especially as you can appreciate it without having to get too close to O’Connell Street!
Out of interest, anyone know who owns the building?
prediction: Bewleys Grafton st. coffee shop to reopen on Ground only. Retail to all floors above.
Originally posted by Paul Clerkin
TCD may be affected by Luas link line
Tim O’BrienThe Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) may seek to have the walls and railings of Trinity College Dublin moved back at Nassau Street and lower Grafton Street to accommodate the proposed Luas link line through the centre of the city.
The agency said yesterday that there were difficulties in accommodating both Luas and buses along the narrow central city streets around the college, and while it “would have respect for the built environment”, the RPA “wouldn’t rule out moving the wall and railings to take land”.
The RPA would have to seek a railway order from the Minister for Transport before proceeding with such a proposal.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2004/1104/2756841846HMTRINITY.html
that’s the end of that idea then
Originally posted by Diaspora
The only rant on this thread has been that directed against An Taisce, when particular individuals are asked to explain their views they simply reduce the argument to a level that deserves a heated response.
The illegal demolition of Fr Mathew’s Hall was posted on this thread 2 full days before I started its own thread to attempt to stimulate some discussion on the topic.
It is quite clear that some individuals on this thread have no interest in the quality architecture, any development constitutes good development. Once its new that is, anything or anyone who holds a differing opinion is either mad or rants.
But my fundamental greivance hasn’t been addressed, the biggest loss to Cork’s historical building fabric in years Fr Mathew Hall.
One good yardstick in life is always keep the question in focus, this hasn’t happened on this thread.
Diaspora, Diaspora, Diaspora. The reason I put (!) after your name was to inject a little light humour into the whole thing. Obviously missed. It was a reply to Jack White regarding his comments
I think this thread does evoke comment on whether schemes are quality/crap or are good/bad development. There are so many schemes posted that one scheme cannot be covered in its entirety which is why it is good that Matthews hall has its own thread.
Can we get back to review & comment and leave the slagging for the playground?
Originally posted by Jack White
Yes Discussion,
Not free advertising for schemes of dubious quality, no response to the shameful demolition of Fr Mathews Hall only more updates with a mixture of smileys. It reminds me of a particular 1970’s chewing gum commercial.
I don’t see where the advertising comes into it?? This thread is, in part, an update of what’s going on in the planning and construction world of Cork. More generally, however, It gives ample opportunity for discussion and the odd rant (Diaspora(!)). Planning applications aren’t advertisements – they are aspirations – for either good or bad.
Father Matthews is covered adequately in another thread. we don’t really need to digress here.
Originally posted by phil
I have been thinking about these sorts of buildings a lot over the last few weeks. Does anyone else think that it may now be possible to regard the prevalence of these sorts of buildings as our new vernacular?I assume you mean the architectural definition ie
“Of or being an indigenous building style using local materials and traditional methods of construction and ornament, especially as distinguished from academic or historical architectural styles”.
and, if so, God help us all.
I prefer another definition ie
“Occurring or existing in a particular locality; endemic: a vernacular disease”
