Bewleys
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- October 29, 2004 at 8:17 pm #748073
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Participantok i am convinced actually, it would be a really good bookshop.
October 29, 2004 at 9:06 pm #748074GrahamH
ParticipantHow much of the interior is original on Grafton St – I rarely go in there so don’t know it well enough. Was it the refurbishment of the Westmoreland St branch that everyone gave out about in the mid-90s? I’ve never been in that one at all – did it have an original 1900s interior? I’ve always loved the brown bow window separating the entrances here, got a charming late Georgian and Edwardian character to it. There should be cakes on display rather than bags of coffee though 🙂
It is a sad day to see them close, whatever about standards etc.
Indeed if you stand back from it all, it seems extraordinary that such an institution is shutting down – you’d never have believed it possible 2 or 3 years ago before the tide began to turn.
To retain the name in some way for what ever replaces it would be nice.Just on that application for Westmoreland, considering this property is PVCed up to the hilt, presumably the ‘period windows’ refers to the insertion of Victorian plates or Georgian sashes, rather than reassembling the WSC features.
There was a more detailed app in the adjoining building as I passed this evening, someone was standing in front of it though, couldn’t very well ask them to move!October 29, 2004 at 9:35 pm #748075Anonymous
InactiveGraham,
There is a tiled sign ‘Bewleys’ set well above regular shopfront height on the Grafton St facade, this will ensure that the Bewley name remains on Grafton St even if the new occupiers wish to insert new signage. Being realistic unless Sir Anthony steps forward Bewleys is gone
October 30, 2004 at 7:35 pm #748076Anonymous
InactiveYet more mention of Harvey Nichols! Im beginning to wonder about the people who post on this site – every large-ish building available (such as the former Bank of Ireland on College Green) is suggested as a Harvey Nichols. Is this a shopping discussion board? Does an English Department Store have all the answers to unused Dublin buildings?
On the point itself – it will be a great shame if the cafes close. Quality may not be up to scratch but could be improved and if we keep on losing such city institutions, the city will be a pretty bland shadow of itself………………
October 31, 2004 at 1:32 am #748077Jack White
ParticipantZap you are absolutely right it is sad that yet another Dublin institution is gone. Findlater House is a complete insult to the great tradition that family name once represented, Harvy nicks can retain status in London or even Dundrum, Grafton St will be at a serious loss minus Bewleys Oriental Cafe full stop
October 31, 2004 at 12:44 pm #748078burge_eye
ParticipantOriginally posted by Jack White
Zap you are absolutely right it is sad that yet another Dublin institution is gone. Findlater House is a complete insult to the great tradition that family name once represented, Harvy nicks can retain status in London or even Dundrum, Grafton St will be at a serious loss minus Bewleys Oriental Cafe full stopAren’t we all getting a little misty eyed? Grafton st is now officially the 5th most expensive street in the world. People’s tastes for coffee and food have rocketed in the last 5-10 years. Bewley’s is an idea, a throw back to the safe old days of breakfast with granny in Bewleys. It has been left behind and seems powerless to sort out it’s act.
The fact is that it is literally a facade. A nice building with a crap coffee shop behind the myth. By all means keep the buildings, list them even, but I for one won’t miss the coffee.
November 1, 2004 at 2:28 pm #748079Rory W
ParticipantIf Bewleys had charged more (attracts a cache), had waiter service and better food/ambience we could have had something akin to a continental style coffee house.
Cafe Bar Deli for Grafton Street!!!
November 1, 2004 at 5:28 pm #748080Paul Clerkin
KeymasterNovember 2, 2004 at 10:54 am #748081Doug C
ParticipantWe should b concentrating on Bewley’s replacement rather than its many failings and the nostalgia surrounding it.
what do we want: good coffee, good value, good values?
from today’s Independent: a new coffee experience?
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=578273
a proposal: replace Bewleys with Europe’s largest fairtrade ONLY cafe.
November 4, 2004 at 5:34 pm #748082Sue
Participant“canteen style food”: RoryW, that’s an inspired description of the fare on offer in Bewley’s. And it didn’t come cheap.
I’d love to see a bookshop there, but given that the rent is likely to be the most expensive on Grafton Street (newly negotitated rents will always cost more) I can’t see even a highly-successful bookshop turning a profit there. Isn’t the Dublin bookshop across the street gone, or doth mine eyes deceive me?November 4, 2004 at 5:44 pm #748083roskav
ParticipantDublin bookshop in a very nice new slot a bit further up the street
November 7, 2004 at 6:46 pm #748084burge_eye
ParticipantOut of interest, anyone know who owns the building?
prediction: Bewleys Grafton st. coffee shop to reopen on Ground only. Retail to all floors above.
November 8, 2004 at 10:22 am #748085Andrew Duffy
ParticipantJohnny Ronan, aka Treasury Holdings
November 8, 2004 at 7:29 pm #748086alli
ParticipantWhat’s the holy grail about Harvey Nicks, especially as it would be such a small branch, it would be just like BTs anyway. Dublin is mad to let Bewley’s go, even if management was crap etc, with the correct management the place should be able to knock starbucks into a cocked hat. This should be a Heritage project, like the Crown in Belfast, listed as a cafe. Of maybe a Conran restaurant (I wonder if he’s looked it over. ) A shop has a completely different relationship with its users thatn a cafe or restaurant. Dublin has become just another High Street UK. Shame
November 8, 2004 at 7:32 pm #748087alli
ParticipantVery interesting Doug, maybe a Heritage / Fairtrade combo
November 8, 2004 at 8:25 pm #748088Lorcan
ParticipantI agree actually with you there. it is an institution and so much could be done with it. new, classy managment should be bought in, and stop seving the awful coffee. but i supppose its far to late now.
What’s the holy grail about Harvey Nicks, especially as it would be such a small branch, it would be just like BTs anyway. Dublin is mad to let Bewley’s go, even if management was crap etc, with the correct management the place should be able to knock starbucks into a cocked hat. This should be a Heritage project, like the Crown in Belfast, listed as a cafe. Of maybe a Conran restaurant (I wonder if he’s looked it over. ) A shop has a completely different relationship with its users thatn a cafe or restaurant. Dublin has become just another High Street UK. Shame
totally agree.
Dublin in my opinion needs to try and stop being another ‘UK’city, which it effectively has become, and evolve an actual world capital, with its own originalities. I draw back what i said about Harvey Nicks.November 9, 2004 at 10:05 pm #748089Anonymous
Inactive@John Ronan wrote:
They will takes those (Harry Clarke) windows over my dead body
Apparently Campell Catering spent over a million punts renovating the Harry Clarke windows during the last refurbishment and are claiming that as a result they wish to remove them. As the leasehold interest has seriously declined in value over the past 12 months it is probably their only chance to get a serious whack out of the building due to the good supply of retail at Dundrum and the new Red Mall in Blanch.
Well if they had invested 20,000 in a few Gaggia coffee machines they might still be in business,
An Taisce V Gorbooth 2004
November 9, 2004 at 10:28 pm #748090Paul Clerkin
KeymasterChancers…… fecking chancers…..
November 10, 2004 at 3:50 am #748091ro_G
Participantcant believe they would get away with taking the Harry Clarke window
November 10, 2004 at 10:32 am #748092burge_eye
Participant@ro_G wrote:
cant believe they would get away with taking the Harry Clarke window
According to the Sunday Times, Johnny says the windows will go “over his dead body” He bought the windows when he bought the building. When you buy a house people can take the carpets and curtains. Can you imagine if they took the windows with them too????
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