Look at de state of Cork, like!

I think that was the big carrot dangled to ease planning for the redevelopment of “old” Douglas Shopping Centre – there would be a bypass built parallel to the link road the length of the car park and the roundabout would be no more. Can anyone confirm this?

Also Clayton Love owns “old” Douglas S.C. and the TSB land so safe to say he is behind this?

Quote: “but still expect appropriate levels of traditional douglas outrage from the douglas click who still thinj they live in a village” LOL! So true… something to ponder in their SUV while stuck in traffic!

I think this developement has huge potential if done right – it could bring a cohesion to the entire area and bring back some sense of “village” to the place – linking Douglas with Douglas Court and back to East Village. I await the Evening Echo article decrying “skyscrapers in Douglas”!!!

Yeah bunch – just saw that there earlier today, there are 3 submissions now lodged against the Eglinton Street project – all from locals – and all made at least 2 weeks after the requested Further Information date. Still looking into it – that ain’t good. If that’s the case – there should be no reasonable refusal for any positive observations to be made. Hmmm. Going to make a quick call – I’ll get back to you with the result.

@d_d_dallas wrote:

I think this developement has huge potential if done right – it could bring a cohesion to the entire area and bring back some sense of “village” to the place – linking Douglas with Douglas Court and back to East Village. I await the Evening Echo article decrying “skyscrapers in Douglas”!!!

I would agree – like I said I have yet to see the final design – but I suspect, and hope, a nice transition will be provided linking the two big commercial areas of Douglas (the ‘village’ and the East Douglas area) together with a consistent flow. Personally, I don’t think height should be of concern when done well. But as mentioned in the quote above – undoubtedly the Evening Echo – ‘the voice of the honest, everyday man on Corkonian streets’ – will be right in there, arm around the people, joining right in with their tears and wailing – supporting their fears and nodding in condolence as another nail is driven through the coffin of their wee village – not another ‘high-rise’ they’ll sigh. Have they driven, or tried to drive, through Douglas anytime in the last 10 years? Where’s the village??? The Evening Echo is following the anti high-rise campaign out in Bishopstown religiously – cries from councillors and residents alike are mirrored in their pages against the frightful saturation of high-rise in Bishopstown – especiially against Mark Kelleher’s 5-storey residential development. [Sorry, that was a bit dramatic – been reading too much Shakespeare lately. 🙂 )

@Lorcan wrote:

Any one see the culture show on BBC2? had a thing on cork 2005 capital of culture, and gave peoples views on patrick street.
‘the people of cork think the lamposts belong in an industrial estate’

not to sure about them myself, i think thry’re pretty nasty, would’ve expected more for a much touted barcelona architect.

It would seem there’s trouble regarding O’Flynn Construction’s Eglinton Street project – and it’s related to objections. Despite the fact the closing date for submissions was a few weeks ago – CCC have accepted 3 objections to the development while the project is in Further Information. CCC claim they requested Further Info before the closing date – they requested an EIS – and due to this, decided the show a little slack to objectors – although they now claim they are not accepting anymore. During that same period, CCC refused to accept positive observations. After a discussion I had over the phone with a certain director of O’Flynn Construction today, it would seem the developers were led to believe that the objections would not be validated. However, the objections have indeed been made valid. Can anyone else see here a problem?

I’ll be talking with O’Flynn Construction again later on and w/ CCC so I’ll keep you posted on what goes on – this scenario is of concern to me as it should the wider development community as it shows a distinct and unfair bias in the planning process which could be detrimental to future development projects in Cork city, this can’t go on.

@d_d_dallas wrote:

SW101 … metallic aqueous structure!!! You are living Lexington’s dream!!!

ssshhh!!!

stress the “used to”.

this’ll do ya.

@bunch wrote:

submissions on a planning application may be made within 5 weeks of the validation of the planning application – is it the cas ethat these submissions were received after the 5 weeks? Whether there was a Further Information requested or not, any submissions after the 5 weeks should (under the Planning and Development Act) be returned to the sender and not be accepted!

The submissions were made well passed the final submission date – the CCC claim to have adopted ‘a sympathetic stance regarding objectors’ due to the exceptional nature of the development. Utter tripe. Indeed the submissions should have been refused – by law.

this’ll do ya

It’s a classic! (Cough cough) – I’m not that archaic – throw in a few PVC windows and we’re ready to go! (Joe King!) 😀

I just have a preference for detailled design – there’s nothing that says contemporary architecture can’t be innovative for modernity and yet still hark back to the elaborate and intricate design details of the past. I suppose ‘postmodern’ is the phrase – but I’ve not once, ever seen a post-modern building that fuses the modern and the past in the way I would see as innovative, striking and complimentary. But that’s me, I’m just a demanding bugger.

:confused: A design team is rumoured to have ALREADY been commissioned with regard to Wilton Shopping Centre – as regards what, I’m not sure, it could be something as simply as a new cleaners office – but perhaps Howard Holdings could be up to a little more. I’ll get back to you.

Yeah burge_eye – I’ve just seen that -> 7 additional objections have been accepted dated for November 2004. Initially 21 objections were lodged. However, because O’Callaghan Properties lodged Significant Further Information (w/ design alterations) – a period of submission acceptance was open in light of this change. This is perfectly acceptable. Only 7 objections were lodged against this, as oppose to the original 21. That’s mixed news – as oppose to bad news.

Though I had my initial doubts too, the more I have read through the detail of this project since it was lodged, the greater favour I find with it. The least favourable aspect is the hotel design, but beyond this, I feel the loss of this project is to the detriment of Cork. There is a lot of small mindedness involved with some of these objections. It’s a pity.

I genuinely hope next Thursday finds favour with this troubled (planning wise) project – if it does, we’re almost certain to see ABP become involved. Shame.

-> the diff. w/ Eglinton Street is that CCC allowed objections to be validated passed the closing submission date. No just cause was cited. And the developer was given misinformation concerning this. It was very poorly managed by CCC. I only hope it is rectified – further to that, I hope such actions are acknowledged and recompensed come planning decision time.

any know what the development currently being built on copley street will be? i assume its apartments but will there be mixed development i.e. retail as well? I see M&K Corbett in the planning lists to change Stable Lane next to Copley street to mixed development, is it all linked in?

and whats the story with the Brooks Haughton site. Is that whole site up for sale due to their recent merging with the English building company?