Look at de state of Cork, like!
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With all this rain Cork will resemble Atlantis, let alone Venice, when European City of Culture comes around.
R+H Hall silo is no Bolands Biscuit Mills. The redevelopment of that building should be the poster child for all future change of uses, but the building has to be suitable from day one. Bolands was phyiscally a much more beautiful structure which naturally lent itself to to coversion that we see today. R+H is more like the other Bolands (vacant) around the corner – grim grim grim.
Originally posted by d_d_dallas
R+H is more like the other Bolands (vacant) around the corner – grim grim grim.I love that other Bolands, as I do the R&H structures, but I must admit that in the reality of the market I cannot think of a viable use for the Bolands Concrete Structures (Which I think are protected Structures).
Unfortunately, the only images I can get up for you at the moment are the following.
The first is of the Boole Library extension (B&W) and the 2nd is a poor quality graphic of JD Hotels plan for 77/78 Grand Parade (B&W) – but at least you get the idea.
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UCC Boole Library Extension
http://corkdevelopments.bravehost.com/uccbooleext.jpgJD Hotels Ltd Grand Parade Restaurant & Bar Development
http://corkdevelopments.bravehost.com/jdhotelsgp.jpgOriginally posted by d_d_dallas
R+H Hall silo is no Bolands Biscuit Mills. The redevelopment of that building should be the poster child for all future change of uses, but the building has to be suitable from day one. Bolands was phyiscally a much more beautiful structure which naturally lent itself to to coversion that we see today. R+H is more like the other Bolands (vacant) around the corner – grim grim grim.I am not proposing that these silos be left but rather that they are re-modelled and reclad in the latest and most advanced materials. Given the strength of the frames it would even be possible to add some space above what alreay exists to make a more daring form.
I disagree Bolands mills was comparable before its remake, it was tired and shabby looking. The form of these buildings is quite attractive and with an imaginative cladding and some reworking of the form at the upper floors a World Class structure would emerge.
I also hotly dispute that IAWS or any of their subsidiaries would allow rather structures to descend into a poor condition. That company is possibly the best managed of all the PLCs in this Country.
It is also entirely inappropriate to compare these structures to some of the second generation crap that afflicts Central Cork with Eircom Building springing to mind. These Silos were once at the cutting edge a lot more than can be said for a lot of what followed and some buildings that are in the pipeline.
For a Section 23 development of 12m euro, Frank Sheahan and Joe Carey, are aiming pretty high in the pricing arena for their new Blackpool Hewitt Mills development. The semi-circular, red-brick, 7-storey building designed by J.E. Keating & Associates – is selling 600sq ft 1-bedroom apartments starting at 325,000 euro. 2 bedroom 800sq ft apartments at 390,000 euro – and 3-bedroom, 1009sq ft apartments from 450,000 euros. There are 69 apartments as part of this first phase of development. 135 units will be built in total – the remainder in further blocks. In my own opinion, the development hardly or fairly reflects the asking price. If someone has a half-million to spend – it would be better spent on a selection of other Cork city developments of a better standard, location, space and at only half the price.
Originally posted by speakeasy
This is a great website, really interesting even for the non architect types like me. But whats with all the discussion about Dublin? Cork is Ireland’s second largest city and hardly gets a mention! Theres all sorts of bad stuff going on in this City which needs discussion. I strongly beleive that web sites like this do make a difference and are a great voice.Lots of new developments which seem to have escaped any public scrutiny at the planning stage (surprise surprise) are being thrown up in Cork. The City is losing its character, fast, because of cheap office blocks which are actually worse than the many mistakes built in the 1960’s.
Take for example the new development on Lapps Quay opposite the beautiful City Hall and next to the even more aesthetically pleasing Cork Savings Bank (now AIB). This, you would think, should be an area to preserve. But sadly the hideous old Eircom building on the Quay is being made look even more awful and a huge area has also been cleared to make way for air raid shelter type apartments and offices. Up the road at Anglesea street, a nice little area with lots of old well preserved buildings, is a new office block, which looks like it was designed by the same people who came up with the EBS building on dame street Dublin. This thing is monstrous, it dwarfs an adjoining pub and looks totally out of character in this street. What is going on? Who designs these things? Does anyone notice how shocking they are? Does anyone care? Cmon you Dubs, Cork is a part of this nation too… pay us some attention! Ireland’s architects are going to get a bad name from all this rubbish being
🙂 City Properties (Cork) Ltd have been granted permission for the development of a new nightclub premises over its existing Classic Bar on South Main Street. The club will be built in an area above the bar as part of the former Queens Old Castle SC.
😡 Limerick-based Fabiolo Ltd. have been refused planning for their apartment/retail development on the former petrol station adjacent Kent Station along the Lower Glanmire Road. The small development was to consist of 9-spacious apartments and 2 retail units. Though CCC praised the fact that the 4-storey building provided a much needed infill in the street-scape – it based its refusal on a lack of parking facilities. The option of Further Information was considered but decided against.
Originally posted by speakeasy
[B Theres all sorts of bad stuff going on in this City which needs discussion. I strongly beleive that web sites like this do make a difference and are a great voice.Lots of new developments which seem to have escaped any public scrutiny at the planning stage (surprise surprise) are being thrown up in Cork. The City is losing its character, fast, because of cheap office blocks which are actually worse than the many mistakes built in the 1960’s.
Take for example the new development on Lapps Quay opposite the beautiful City Hall and next to the even more aesthetically pleasing Cork Savings Bank (now AIB). This, you would think, should be an area to preserve. But sadly the hideous old Eircom building on the Quay is being made look even more awful and a huge area has also been cleared to make way for air raid shelter type apartments and offices. Up the road at Anglesea street, a nice little area with lots of old well preserved buildings, is a new office block, which looks like it was designed by the same people who came up with the EBS building on dame street Dublin. This thing is monstrous, it dwarfs an adjoining pub and looks totally out of character in this street. What is going on? Who designs these things? Does anyone notice how shocking they are? Does anyone care? Cmon you Dubs, Cork is a part of this nation too… pay us some attention! Ireland’s architects are going to get a bad name from all this rubbish being [/B]
Yes Discussion,
Not free advertising for schemes of dubious quality, no response to the shameful demolition of Fr Mathews Hall only more updates with a mixture of smileys. It reminds me of a particular 1970’s chewing gum commercial.
Originally posted by Jack White
Yes Discussion,
Not free advertising for schemes of dubious quality, no response to the shameful demolition of Fr Mathews Hall only more updates with a mixture of smileys. It reminds me of a particular 1970’s chewing gum commercial.
I don’t see where the advertising comes into it?? This thread is, in part, an update of what’s going on in the planning and construction world of Cork. More generally, however, It gives ample opportunity for discussion and the odd rant (Diaspora(!)). Planning applications aren’t advertisements – they are aspirations – for either good or bad.
Father Matthews is covered adequately in another thread. we don’t really need to digress here.
Originally posted by Jack White
Yes Discussion,
Not free advertising for schemes of dubious quality, no response to the shameful demolition of Fr Mathews Hall only more updates with a mixture of smileys. It reminds me of a particular 1970’s chewing gum commercial.
The thread title ‘Look at de state of Cork, like!’ in part refers to a belief held by many that for too long Cork was left behind in the Celtic Tiger – in terms of development. As Cork is now embracing its own development wave – I believe informing interested parties of the development which affects their city – aesthetically, economically and socially – has everything to do with the thread title. It will also allow persons to gauge the city’s progress since the thread was initiated. Furthermore, this thread is also an amalgamation of another thread called ‘Cork New Developments’ – it was merged by the site operators for matters of ease and convenience. That thread also continues here-in and is perfectly entitled to do so.
For too long the people of Cork and those interested in its progress have been kept out of the loop. This is a well run website and this thread provides an excellent opportunity to inform those interested. Development is dictated by demand and supply which ties in with economics. Development has social, historical, economic and architectural consequences.
Furthermore, I am not the only person utilising this forum – the debate on the issues you seem determined to address is open to all. So I’ll carry on doing my thing – you are perfectly entitled to make comments on such matters yourself – so why don’t you get actively involved and stop the critique of others wanting to make a contribution. The more input the better.
Originally posted by burge_eye
More generally, however, It gives ample opportunity for discussion and the odd rant (Diaspora(!)). Planning applications aren’t advertisements – they are aspirations – for either good or bad.
Father Matthews is covered adequately in another thread. we don’t really need to digress here.
The only rant on this thread has been that directed against An Taisce, when particular individuals are asked to explain their views they simply reduce the argument to a level that deserves a heated response.
The illegal demolition of Fr Mathew’s Hall was posted on this thread 2 full days before I started its own thread to attempt to stimulate some discussion on the topic.
It is quite clear that some individuals on this thread have no interest in the quality architecture, any development constitutes good development. Once its new that is, anything or anyone who holds a differing opinion is either mad or rants.
But my fundamental greivance hasn’t been addressed, the biggest loss to Cork’s historical building fabric in years Fr Mathew Hall.
One good yardstick in life is always keep the question in focus, this hasn’t happened on this thread.
Originally posted by lexington
Here we go again!Just one comment on Fr Mathew’s Hall.
I completely agree with those angered by the events at Fr. Matthew’s Hall – it was a careless, illegal and irresponsible act. I believe those responsible should be addressed in a most disciplinary manner. I personally didn’t comment on it because I was not informed well enough about the events at the time other than what I had heard from nearby residents and in the paper.
My ‘Here we go again!’ remark refers to the subtle bashing of members.
I don’t get it with the personal attacks – express opinion yes, personal insults?! No thanks.
If a member has something to say about a development or event by all means say it – don’t be hanging around for others to comment. That’s like expecting others to give blood. It’s an open forum – we might not always agree with an opinion, but one is entitled to it nonetheless. That’s what’s so great about these forums.
diaspora
i think there have been greater losses in terms of the city’s historical and physical fabric in the last 18 months alone. fr mathew hall was, for some reason, not listed, and its value has only been recognised when the developer ‘attacked’ it’. already, the city has lost 3 hugely significant structures to fire ! good sheperd convent (dodgy fire) sunbeam industrial centre (dodgy fire) and tivoli house (dodgy fire). perhaps mr tracy would have been better advised to use matches than a jcb.
also,
i really find it difficult to understand why individuals have a problem with the type of content posted here. whats the problem with presenting information to the forum for discussion?
Originally posted by Diaspora
The only rant on this thread has been that directed against An Taisce, when particular individuals are asked to explain their views they simply reduce the argument to a level that deserves a heated response.
The illegal demolition of Fr Mathew’s Hall was posted on this thread 2 full days before I started its own thread to attempt to stimulate some discussion on the topic.
It is quite clear that some individuals on this thread have no interest in the quality architecture, any development constitutes good development. Once its new that is, anything or anyone who holds a differing opinion is either mad or rants.
But my fundamental greivance hasn’t been addressed, the biggest loss to Cork’s historical building fabric in years Fr Mathew Hall.
One good yardstick in life is always keep the question in focus, this hasn’t happened on this thread.
Diaspora, Diaspora, Diaspora. The reason I put (!) after your name was to inject a little light humour into the whole thing. Obviously missed. It was a reply to Jack White regarding his comments
I think this thread does evoke comment on whether schemes are quality/crap or are good/bad development. There are so many schemes posted that one scheme cannot be covered in its entirety which is why it is good that Matthews hall has its own thread.
Can we get back to review & comment and leave the slagging for the playground?
Originally posted by burge_eye
I think this thread does evoke comment on whether schemes are quality/crap or are good/bad development. There are so many schemes posted that one scheme cannot be covered in its entirety which is why it is good that Matthews hall has its own thread.
Can we get back to review & comment and leave the slagging for the playground?
I must say that I think this thread sometimes neglects what exists in cork and instead places too much focus on what might be built or what is about to be built. I think it is obviously good to discuss what is proposed to be built or what has just got planning, but – as I have stated before on the thread about the most beautiful building in cork- I think it is a pity that there is not more discussion given to existing buildings. I love Cork and would like to know more about peoples views on its various buildings.
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