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I dont know Devin.
I just talk to people from the continent and they say this place is very hiddly piddly. I agree that we have to keep our existing buildings as much as possible but i dont see why we cant just start on fields surrounding the towns (most of the towns are small) and properly design roadways, small parks, and all the rest of it.
hi ctesiphon 🙂
Im not sure, maybe there are parts of my character that are unique to me and no one else:cool:. But this is about irish towns up and down the country. So lets concentrate on that
(Personally I think semi-d’ should be outlawed in the cities and suburbs of the cities. But thats another thread.)
Im not saying that we should knock down buildings in the small towns of little consequence but what I am saying is that future planning should take the entire town and its surrounding areas as a whole. For example, future streets should be wide enough, there should be a proper mix of medium dentisty accomadation, a mix of buisness and retail should be incorporated into a new area. Easy access for goods vehicles, the public and public transport.
Most development in small to medium town Ireland is ad hoc. There is no masterplan for most towns (AFAIK), its just plan for a small area and build. I know we were a very poor country 15 odd years ago. But that is no reason not to start planning for the future. All the towns will continue to grow but if its not properly carried out wtih a TOP DOWN approach as opposed to BOTTOM UP then we will continue to have poor quality irish towns.
The small streets and pokey buildings are brilliant if you want to bring in tourists but not very pratical in the 21st century if you want to run a modern business or live in them (for most people anyway).
Having an old quarter is what a lot of countries did to manage the problem. I just think that this idea hasnt been properly thought of by the people in charge. Ireland faces 20-30 years of growth, we can continue to build in the current topsy turvey manner or we can go for a more structure top down planned approach.
Personally i think we should take what we have at the moment, enhance it, while drawing up new streets in green field areas and continue to go for a more structure top down planned approach.
good job Graham Hickey. I cant wait to see the GPO finished for good.
It my honest opinion, everything on both sides of the street from the Spike north, with the exceptions of the Gresham, the georgian part of the Royal Dublin and the buildings predating the 1920s/30s rebuilding should be knocked or reclad.
They have no architectural merit. The massive scheme from the Gresham down to Burger King is impressive, but phenomanlly ugly, as the pics above bear out. The Gresham could theoretically stand as its own building, without the rest of the scheme.
But if the rest is to stay, it all needs to be brightened up. Dublin is not a city for grey brick. The georgians and Wide Street Commissioners knew that.As for the west side….it all has to go, with minor exceptions.
The city would never hear of it
well why dont they get the council out to collect the rubbish more often with the smaller bins. Thats what they do in spain. THey collect the rubbish EVERY day and DONT leave it sitting for a week.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Well the GPO is currently being unwrapped like a giant Christmas present, and spot on schedule too. Just the frieze is peeking out at the minute and it looks magnificent.
Can’t wait to see the finished result – already the bone-white columns are glowing through the protective gauze.Anyone got any pictures ? maybe there are some examples on the net of what the columns will look like when its completed ?
well they are ultra modern compared to the stinkin minging canal-side warehouse. Will we regret all these buildings in a few year ?
Well at least they will be a darn sight better than the minging semi- d’s that plague our cities
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Does anyone think that these ultra modern buildings are a bit “same same but different” to copy a phrase. There doesnt look like a whole pile of new thinking went into half of them and none of them have dublin characteritics.
The second one is completely ugly. The first one was far better. Typical small minded irish planning
ok.
But how about we start a lobby to regenerated areas of the cities to modern accomdation that can accomadate more people in a single areas yet provide more space for them and for amenities????
For a start that means adios to all the Semi – D’s and terrace housing. The government did some work with Ballymum and Fatima mansions to provide medium dentisty housing with all the amenities (hopefully). Why cant that be extended city wide and in the other major cities.
Are the builders still building houses in Dubiln ? If they are its the biggest failure in this country since the planning fiasco. Any time there is econmic news there is always pictures of Semi D’s being built. Maybe i need to travel around more but its prettty worrying.
Its just sensible planning. How come this major topic is never discussed on tv , the newspapers or radio ??
great to hear its getting the green light but the center is sheer ugly. Lets hope they come up with a better design 🙂
that google map is a fooking disgcrace. it just highlights the paddy planning that is still in operation in this island. Low dentisty houses should be outlawed. They should re develop areas like that into medium dentisty at least.
There was a program about high rise on RTE this morning and there were many cities that have done high rise properly and may only have a few high rises but they really fit in well with the city.
well ctesiphon thanks for replying and making use of a DISCUSSION FORUM.;)
I still think the future is for Ireland to follow the Paris model and designate a certain part of the city inside the M-50 as a high rise area. Nothing is cheap but high rises would be well worth the money.
I do agree with your analysis of what the rest of dublin should be like – medium dentisity. Semi detached housing should be outlawed in the dublin region.
The population of Dublin is going to go past the 2 million mark. I know its a bad example because someone may be a troll here but just look at Australia. It has high rise cities and is a modern country.
We can be practical till the cows come home but at the end of the day a lot of it is to do with image and how you want to protray your country and the mentality of irish people as well. A modern city with high rises would be very impressive for the ordinary joe in Dublin and the foreigner visiting.
Plus we need a major counter balance for Dublin (especaillly when it reaches 2 million) and maybe it should be given more freedom than the shackles that are on Dublin.
PS im not a architec
At the end of the day this is a discussion forum and were all here to talk about architecture.
You dont have to read this thread if you dont want to … the fact remainds that Dublin could well do with a high rise designated area of Dublin. Be it on the liffey or near the M50. It would give a major boost to boosting the dublin population, decreasing property rents and taking up the least amount of space. Plus on top of ALL that we have a modern looking capital.
Why cant everyone accept these points ? The planning procedure is all mickey mouse stuff here and I dont see any future in the low rise subburban american model
there are pages and pages on high rises on this board about the dublin skyline but what i want to know is , why dont we have a desginated high rise part of Dublin ala la defence (I think)in Paris. I know we cant really go high rise near O connell street because of all the old historical buildings but surely we can do it outside the city centre.
A highrise district out near the orbital metro line or maybe even M50 would be a fantastic idea for Dublin and Ireland. We could stop urban sprawl. We could fit more people in the city and also reduce property prices and open up other space to public amenities.
Ultra modern high rise buildings would be an excellent chance for Irish designers to show off to the rest of the world. It would provide an excellent prospect to show our new found confidence. So why doesnt the government give the green light to such a plan ?? Its always catch up with the government and never visonary.
well lads and lassies. enjoy it while it lasts 🙂 I just think its YET another example of government waste. We couldnt plan a picnic.
did anyone read the article in the times today ? it just highlighted that tunnelling underground o connell street would be a potential nightmare and it could all go wrong. Plus cut and cover techniques will just make a pigs dinner of all the improvements that are being made on the street.
hypotetically.. say the IRFU bought all those house that are complaining about the sunlight not getting in , could they extend the stadium around to cover all four sides ?
I reckon the metro will get the green light… what kind of metro we get remainds to be seen. It could be a cheapo hacked down version with little value to anyone.
As for the house, if its a listed building then they should get those americans dudes in and simply move the house to somewhere else. It looks like a theme park driving into the airport when you see that.
