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  • #729827
    urbanisto
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    In fairness they dont leave it there for a week either….its removed very regularly, at least in the city centre area. Its just we tend to generate alot more!

    #729828
    Daragh
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    I think you’ll find that the black, iron bins actually contain less..

    #729829
    J. Seerski
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    My God how shockingly derilict the northern end of O’Connell Street has become recently – most of the major commercial premises have become vactant in the past year, some for much longer, with no sign of any change. Consider the following list:
    Carlton – Still a pathetic sight of its former self and the main part used as nothing
    Fingal Co Co – completely vacant.
    Aer Lingus Offices – Empty since 2002
    Eircom (Findlater House) Empty for over a year now.
    Bank of Ireland Cavendish Row – vacant for over a year now.
    These are enourmous premises and their continued state of disrepair and idleness makes the area feel more decrepit than it has ever been before. Taking these premises in total, one third of Upper O’Connell Street could be said to be vacant.

    This is surely a shocking indictment of the councils efforts in trying to re-juvenate the area? Am I hoping in vain that things are so bad that the only way is up for this part of the street?:(

    #729830
    GrahamH
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    Yes these are without doubt a big stain on the area. The fact that Findlater House is now up for let yet again is not encouraging. Also the planned redevelopment of the Royal Dublin Hotel has come to nothing, as seemingly has the restoration of No 42, the RDH townhouse, and its conversion to high-spec offices with public access to the house.
    And when is the appeal hearing due for the Carlton site? πŸ™ πŸ™

    @Maskhadov wrote:

    maybe there are some examples on the net of what the [GPO] columns will look like when its completed ?

    Jacqueline O’Brien’s GPO image in ‘Dublin A Grand Tour’ from 1994 gives a good indication I should think – always admired how clean it looks (below)

    The GPO was restored upon the creation of An Post in 1984, so perhaps it was then that the building was last cleaned. Think it was renovated in the 70s too, and possibly in the late 80s also!

    The portico is still wrapped in scaffolding, despite the permit expiring on the 30th of November…

    #729831
    aj
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    is the development of upper o`connell street being massively held back by the ritz carlton debacle

    #729832
    fergalr
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    It my honest opinion, everything on both sides of the street from the Spike north, with the exceptions of the Gresham, the georgian part of the Royal Dublin and the buildings predating the 1920s/30s rebuilding should be knocked or reclad.

    They have no architectural merit. The massive scheme from the Gresham down to Burger King is impressive, but phenomanlly ugly, as the pics above bear out. The Gresham could theoretically stand as its own building, without the rest of the scheme.
    But if the rest is to stay, it all needs to be brightened up. Dublin is not a city for grey brick. The georgians and Wide Street Commissioners knew that.

    As for the west side….it all has to go, with minor exceptions.

    #729833
    Maskhadov
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    good job Graham Hickey. I cant wait to see the GPO finished for good.

    It my honest opinion, everything on both sides of the street from the Spike north, with the exceptions of the Gresham, the georgian part of the Royal Dublin and the buildings predating the 1920s/30s rebuilding should be knocked or reclad.

    They have no architectural merit. The massive scheme from the Gresham down to Burger King is impressive, but phenomanlly ugly, as the pics above bear out. The Gresham could theoretically stand as its own building, without the rest of the scheme.
    But if the rest is to stay, it all needs to be brightened up. Dublin is not a city for grey brick. The georgians and Wide Street Commissioners knew that.

    As for the west side….it all has to go, with minor exceptions.

    The city would never hear of it

    #729834
    fergalr
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    Well a fair bit is gone already. Fingal County Hall is vacant and is hardly going to have objections to its demolition.
    The Carlton is in legal limbo…

    The Royal Dublin is a monstrosity (most hotels are..)

    And what happened to the Council’s plan to terminate the leases held by the fast food restaurants? And the regulations on shop front design?

    #729835
    GrahamH
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    Are you suggesting that the Carlton be demolished Fergal?

    I disagree about the 1920s terrace being ugly; it is this very monumental character that makes it distinctive. While most of the infill between the signature buildings is nothing much, not least the Cathedral St corner, collectively they compose a grand whole that is worthy of preservation.
    The Savoy has a wonderful elegant facade, Hammam Buildings is more austere (though would be less so if the plastic crap at ground floor level didn’t detract from the fine pilasters), the Gresham also has a monumental quality though softened by its ground floor detail that is not concealed in this case, and the infill in certain areas such as left of the Savoy is equally worthy of note.

    Similarly there are a great many fine buildings on the western side: the National Irish Bank, the Carlton, the old Revenue offices, the Garda Station, the AIB at the very top, Lynam’s Hotel – even Joe Walsh tours with a bit of work. It is the very hodgepodge nature of Upper O’Connell Street that makes it special; it reads as an open book more than most streetscapes do. It’s interesting to be able to present an official, palatial facade to the world down at the Liffey on Lower O’Connell St, whilst keeping the original grain and character of the thoroughfare tucked away at the northern end, with almost every plot maintaining the same width since 1748.

    Sure there’s some bland stuff up there; Dr Quirkey’s springs to mind a possible condender for reinvention, but for the most part is most certainly a lack of maintainance that is the problem up there, not architecture.

    #729836
    fergalr
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    No I wouldn’t for one minute suggest the Carlton be demolished. Would have been a smart place for the Abbey to go.
    But I would like the CC and courts to resolve the planning dispute over it.

    #729837
    GrahamH
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    The view down the plane tree-less street now from Parnell Street is nothing short of breathtaking – the eastern terrace looks spectacular in the sun:


    (slightly over-exposed)

    …Horace O’Rourke’s terrace in particular looking incredibly monumental, as does Clerys way in the distance.

    The interior of the refurbished Savoy has yet to be posted – here’s the foyer in all its magnificence. What a transformation!

    During the ripping out of the 60s alterations, the original plasterwork or elements of it were discovered, and so it was restored to how it originally was. And sure enough, looking at a 1920s picture of it, it is almost identical!

    The plasterwork also reflects the basic theme underlying the design of the Savoy Cinema – the merging of classical and Art Deco/Modernist styles. At a casual glance, the plasterwork looks like a fairly standard, almost Edwardian design, but on closer inspection you can see that the outer ‘ring’ of each centrepiece sweeps around in a broad rounded curve, overlapping in the very middle – classic Art Deco, especially evident in the central bay above.

    The chandeliers add a wonderful touch of glamour and elegance, also brought up to date with what seem to be clusters of sparkling halogen bulbs inside.

    And from the Irish Independent a while back:

    After some more research of chandelier designs from the 1930s and with the help of Falks Lighting, Terenure, a design was decided upon. The chandeliers were then custom manufactured in Italy to the specifications provided.
    “We always felt the floor finish would be of major importance and after several samples provided we decided to use the Nero Marquina porcelain tile imported from Italy,” the designers add. It was felt from an early stage that the main staircases leading to the first floor would be a major focal point in the space. In order to give the visual effect of two grand staircases, Lough Construction spent considerable time providing different templates on step designs to give the feel that was required.

    The flooring effect was continued up the staircases to the first level, along with a custom designed and manufactured carpet, manufactured by PFL carpets in Limerick. The carpet features a stylised version of a fan design inspired by research of the 1930s. “The evidence in early photos showed a dark wood panelling around the foyer space,” McCabe Design adds. “We decided to use walnut as the main wood material for all major joinery in the space. As the grain in walnut was so regular we designed the walnut wall panelling in its simplest form possible. We felt there was no need for unnecessary raised panel details.

    “We accented the panelling with 5mm stainless steel strips which were rebated into its surface. This helped to visually link the wall treatment to the custom stainless steel hand rails which were placed to the interior as required to satisfy current regulations. All the lighting for the refurbished foyer was fitted with warm colour bulbs in an effort to replicate the warm tungsten light evident from 1930’s lighting.” As part of the refurbishment an old shop unit was converted to the new ticket sales area. The joinery for the box office desk, manufactured by Lough Construction, is provided in walnut and continues its links with the main foyer space with its stylistic approach to 1930s design. Stainless steel signage throughout provides a sparkle.

    Ends

    The walnut and inlaid steel strips is beautiful, one of the finest aspects of the restoration. Overall, one of the best projects of its kind I’ve ever come across.
    The balance between contemporary design and respect for the origins of the building is spot on – a quality, timeless look has been achieved.

    #729838
    GregF
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    Horace O’Rourke’s terrace looks great alright. These substantial buildings have an air of London or Paris about them.

    I hope they leave the interior of the Savoy well alone now…….why oh why they always have to pull and drag.

    #729839
    corcaighboy
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    Those pics looks absolutely stunning. Looks like they did a fantastic job.

    #729840
    TLM
    Participant

    Yeah the interior looks like a great job but I hope they now make some moves to improve the facade

    #729841
    Morlan
    Participant

    Why does the SAVOY sign protrude about half a metre from the facade?! I think it spoils the building. Has it always been like this?

    #729842
    kefu
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    One of the most peculiar things about the refurbishment of the Savoy is that little bits of it have been left unfinished like they ran out of money. Anybody who has taken a visit to the gent’s toilet will notice that. If you look closely around the interior, there are also little bits and pieces that haven’t been finished off. It’s like the snag list was done but never acted upon. I think all the city cinemas are suffering as a result of the resurgence of the Cineworld (former UGC/Virgin). As a very regular cinema-goer, there are regularly 100-yard queues in UGC and hardly ever a queue in either the Savoy or the Screen. Not really sure why.

    #729843
    jdivision
    Participant

    And when is the appeal hearing due for the Carlton site? πŸ™ πŸ™

    The Books of Appeal were lodged in the Supreme Court in late November and Paul Clinton’s solicitors are pushing for an early hearing according to a document I received recently. Whatever happens though it’s going to take years for the redevelopment to take place (see story below). Joe O’Reilly will certainly lodge a new planning application to take advantage of the increased densities being allowed by the city council and he will also now have to take account of the listing of the houses on Moore Street. He has also bought a number of additional properties adjoining the site including the former Fingal Co Co offices and will integrate them into his development.

    As I wrote earlier this year regarding the redevelopment:
    Sunday, March 27, 2005 – By Neil Callanan
    The Carlton cinema site on O’Connell Street in Dublin may not be redeveloped until after 2012.

    According to a contract between the two parties, Dublin City Council will give developer Joe O’Reilly “approximately’‘ seven years to develop the site after planning permission is obtained and any judicial reviews are completed.

    The local authority is trying to buy the site from its owners, the Carlton Group, via a compulsory purchase order (CPO). The High Court recently upheld the CPO, and the Carlton Group has yet to decide whether to appeal the decision.

    Dublin City Council wants a substantial retail, commercial and residential development built on the site in accordance with the city’s development plan.

    The agreement between O’Reilly and Dublin City Council states that the council will give “whatever comforts are required’‘ to O’Reilly’s bankers to fund the development of the site.

    The local authority “does not warrant that it will be in a position to entirely satisfy the developers’ bankers,” the agreement states
    According to the document, O’Reilly has entered into a number of contracts to acquire most of the properties that make up the site.

    It says that O’Reilly and the council acknowledge “that it would be of benefit to the developer if Moore Lane were closed to the public and the casual trading area and traders in Moore Street were relocated’‘.

    If any part of the Carlton cinema site has to be sold, leased or otherwise disposed of by the developer, then the local authority has agreed to release it from the CPO. The local authority has also agreed to sell any parts of the site it acquired under the CPO to O’Reilly for the price at which it bought them.

    If O’Reilly breaches the terms of the agreement then Dublin City Council will “allow sufficient time for the developer’s bankers to obtain a further developer to carry on the development before it exercises fully any of its powers under the CPO’‘.

    #729844
    Morlan
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    The Carlton cinema site on O’Connell Street in Dublin may not be redeveloped until after 2012.

    Bit confused here. Does that mean he may not develop until that date or he must develop before that date?

    Good to hear that the fugly Fingal offices will be demolished!

    #729845
    GrahamH
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    Thanks for that information jdivision. So who exactly owns the site as of now? Is it in a state of limbo, or do the CC own it as a result of the CPO, albeit being contested?

    It may take seven years to develop the entire site, but there’s little reason why the main body of the Carlton link couldn’t be up in two years, post planning of course. Seven years would seem to be the contractual timeframe, but hopefully it’ll be up and running long before that.

    As for the Savoy signage Morlan, what of the ghastly silver box its tacked on to?! Saying that, it just may be possible that the current arrangement is temporary to get the cinema through its anniversary year. It makes sense that for the high profile events, and general media attention through the year, that the dirty old yoke of a canopy be quickly clad over with a quick-fix material.
    There just may be a flicker of hope that the original 1929 canopy will be reinstated…

    It doesn’t make sense that such a lavish refurbishment take place inside, that proposals be made for wholescale quality alterations the exterior including the reinstallation of cut stone piers at ground floor level, and a restoration of the bronze windows etc, all to bring the cinema back to how it once was, but that that heap of junk be permanently erected over the doors.
    Hopefully it’ll disappear….

    #729846
    GrahamH
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    …and the opposite with this baluster. Dublin wit ever-present πŸ˜€

    Pity they couldn’t have put it to good use three weeks ago :rolleyes:

    Was so tempted this morning to chalk on ‘makes a change’ πŸ™‚

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