New Aer Lingus HQ
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The staff of this proposed building would not have their own station! That basement would run on to connect the terminal buildings to any metro station. Dublin airport will not be getting two metro stations! (if it gets any). I’d like to see the building built. If it is to be served by metro then it could support retail and leisure facilities. Munich airport has a pretty big retail core and the train station is directly beneath it and it’s much further from the city and any civilisation than DUB.
Just how much land does AL lease from DAA and what length are the lease(s)? It might be hat they got some crazy cheap long lease a long time ago and know that it would be stupid not to exploit it more. I know that Aer Rianta had to buy the staff of the airport and AL out of their share in the CHURCH! cos it was paid for with staff subscriptions years ago. My uncle was an engineer for AL when they still did all their own work at DUB and e remembers paying dues from his wages for the church to be built. He told me that they (Aer Rianta) had to pay a handsome price for that church land and promise to replace it with a new one off airport land near tha coachman’s inn.
@KerryBog2 wrote:
As for your comment “stick it in the Docklands as a conference centre†– well, I think you have put your finger on what is wrong with Irish architecture.
Perhaps ‘stick it in the Docklands’ was an ill-chosen phrase. What I should have said was that it would truly be a shame to let a design like that go nowhere – it would, with perhaps certain modifications, look magnificent beside the Liffey – its reflection in the river would be fantastic at night. Part of the beauty of the building is its shape and, in my opinion, that shape would be best served in an open environment where its curves can be fully seen – this is the only problem I could see with ‘sticking it’ amidst a more crowded built environment in the Docklands. If positioned in a generously proportioned site in the Docklands, I don’t think it would be out of place, nor indeed, would it be difficult to envision or modify such a structure to serve as a Conference Centre.
Point taken PDLL. I agree that it would need a generous site and water would be nice but the former is hardly feasible in Docklands. The usable space aspect also appears very low – from the photos my guess is 50%, the remainder being open or void. I’m a big fan of tall buildings – in the right place.
When I first went to the US my office was in the Continental Centre at 180 Maiden Lane, the black glass building that gets wiped out in every NYC disaster movie – see http://www.wirednewyork.com/continental.htm Ground floor was open, atrium rising through 3 storeys in part. A condition of the planning permit was to designate the ground floor as a “Public Space.” Apparently this is quite common in NYC – Chase Plaza also comes to mind – and on the first Tuesday of every month a student or group of students from Juilliard gave a lunchtime recital. My office was on 36, superb views. Only downside was a need for a high security presence (pre 9/11) as the open nature of the atrium allowed easy access for thieves and “bums.” Guess the same would happen in Dublin!@KerryBog2 wrote:
A condition of the planning permit was to designate the ground floor as a “Public Space.” Apparently this is quite common in NYC . . . Only downside was a need for a high security presence (pre 9/11)
Do you know if this planning permission condition has been abandoned in the post 9/11 world??? It sounds like an open invitation to a terrorist.
Sorry, I don’t know; I left NYC in 2001. However, I cannot see 9/11 as a reason to change that condition as there was an explosion before 9/11 at the WTC, early 1990’s. Arab guy planted a car bomb in the basement. Even though security was upgraded as a result to a very high level (photo IDs a la Luton Airport) to access the upper floors, the basement and concourse levels were open shopping areas. It also was relatively easy to access the rooftop restaurant “Windows on the World.” Carpark was closed however. Parking fee across the block was $45 + tip per day. 😮
@pier39 wrote:
their hq is only a part element of the overall project. the proposal is much more about maximising the value of their leased land at dublin airport rather than a swanky new office. there is office space for let, hotel, retail, leisure and parking elements all design to provide strategic returns for aer lingus on lands that are currently falling well below the development and investment potential.
I agree there is a hint of the Trojan Horse about this one; I wonder what the redevelopment clauses are in the lease which would be held by the Dublin Airport authority. Given a potential flotation of the carrier this situation should be monitored very closely for the the taxpayers benefit.
In relation to architecture the images look good and once there is no impact on Corbalis House the proposal could be appropriate to an airport. The real danger in this is that as DD Dallas says that the proposed rail link will not materialse and that the 3500 car spaces will then be required which would not be an acceptable situation.
@Thomond Park wrote:
In relation to architecture the images look good and once there is no impact on Corbalis House the proposal could be appropriate to an airport. The real danger in this is that as DD Dallas says that the proposed rail link will not materialse and that the 3500 car spaces will then be required which would not be an acceptable situation.
Re: Corbalis House, the effect will be non-existent in terms of physical impact – in fact the proposed Terminal 2 project will have a greater impact both physically and visually. Though I agree the house is of merit – especially in the broader context of the airport environment, it is not particularly architecturally outstanding.
Regarding the metro link – the Government are likely to propose a €10 billion Transport Development Plan within the coming weeks, within which, funding for the Metro rail-link between Dublin city centre and the airport will be made available. More details should be made soon from public sources and a Press Release by the DoT.
“€500m airport redesign plans revealed”
– Neil CallananImages of the proposed €500 million redevelopment of the Aer Lingus head office site at Dublin Airport have been posted on Archiseek, an internet forum used by architects and others. The images show the proposed 162,000 square metre scheme which will include shops, offices and hotels, as well as 3,850 car parking spaces. If built, it would be around twice the size of Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.
The images include a proposed metro stop at the site, which is believed to be vital to support the retail element of the scheme. The planned development was designed by Henry J. Lyons & Partners. The project managers are 4Front International. The office site is owned by the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) but is held by Aer Lingus on a 99-year lease which dates from the late 1960s…
The Sunday Business Post
16th October 2005@lexington wrote:
Regarding the metro link – the Government are likely to propose a €]
DRTS was a similar announcement made in 1974 for three metro lines we are still waiting for the lines 31 years later for further information on Dublin Rail Issues visit http://www.platform11.org
@lexington wrote:
The office site is owned by the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) but is held by Aer Lingus on a 99-year lease which dates from the late 1960s…
As i said above the construction of the lease is vital in this regard; if freeholder consent is required the freeholder can pursue a good quantity of of the latent development potential value.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Corbalis House going. Its setting is so contorted as to be meaningless. It is akin to a mock-Victorian gaslamp in the airport car park or a Malton print hanging in the baggage hall: a token bit of ‘heritage’ to prettify the place. It should be taken out of its misery…
(For those who don’t know it, it’s the period house on a traffic island in the airport grounds as you approach the main terminal building)
Indeed, nice old house but it is not important enough to prevent development. If it can be incorporated in a way that doesn’t look ridiculous, it should be, but if not-bye bye house! (I’m always reminded of that little cottage type building in Landsdowne Road Stadium when I see Corballis house-strange juxtaposition.
Maybe it could be moved?
In its current context I think it ‘works’ just fine, i.e. it’s pleasantly sited and does not come across as building preserved as a token piece of heritage. It has ample breathing space as it were and is frankly the first and last pleasant, if not necessarily worthy, piece of architecture you’re likely to see at Dublin Airport, assuming you don’t see the original terminal from the plane window.
It all depends on the proposed terminal and how it impacts on the house. I wouldn’t be up for its moving elsewhere because then it certainly would be a silly piece of heritagism – might as well be another cardboard-cut out thrown up along with all the other 80s Christmas decorations.
The fact that it is standing intact on its original site is what makes it interesting, not so much the architecture (aside from those magnificent 15-light sashes of course – ah yes, the real reason’s coming out now :)).
WILL NEVER HAPPEN,
Just back from Athens. Filthy city, poor design and planning but its metro is sparkling. Until a coherent metro plan (as in comprehensive) is finalised for Dublin then all this nonsense by Aer Lingus and others is just that – NONSENSE.
Consider the images of the Luas that were placed along ads for Swords houses etc etc – no one should promote such stuff until its actually finalised.
It still baffles me why the Broadstone re-opening is excluded from the Airport/Metro/General transport plan for Dublin.
I would say its a fair guess that there have been at least five official launches of ‘final’ plans for a Metro for Dublin – when will something concrete be produced rather than more launches of plans… its boring and somewhat irritating.Seerski
Broadstone is contingent on quite a few things happening, not least evicting Dublin Bus in part or full.
As for Corballis House, I understood that was for the chop or moving to another location because of T2.
why dont they get in those american outfits that can lift up the house completely and move it to another location.
@Maskhadov wrote:
why dont they get in those american outfits that can lift up the house completely and move it to another location.
That would probably cost more than the building is worth!
So what is the exact heritage value in your opinion?
There was a small mention of archiseek in Saturday’s business section of the Irish Times, crediting this site with the news about the Aer Lingus building.
i guess aer lingus are feeling confident and have had another reprieve handed down sparing the company from being carved up for now and the lads are doing their best to fatten the bird!!!
i am still hopeful a metro will happen and by all accounts we are apparrently within weeks of getting a major announcement from the dept of transport on ‘the grand plan’, incl. a metro, so like many i will believe it when i see it but it is reasuring to see drawings and such in national papers relating to a 500 – 800 mil development plan which may suggest they know something a little sooner than we do. and if not you have to admire their optimism!!!I reckon the metro will get the green light… what kind of metro we get remainds to be seen. It could be a cheapo hacked down version with little value to anyone.
As for the house, if its a listed building then they should get those americans dudes in and simply move the house to somewhere else. It looks like a theme park driving into the airport when you see that.
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